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- sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -11/+44Hey Grandma, want to read your windows XP files in Linux? It's so easy, anyone can do it!
tar zxvf fuse-2.5.2.tar.gz
cd fuse-2.5.2
./configure && make && sudo make install
then :
tar zxvf ntfsprogs-1.13.0.tar.gz
cd ntfsprogs-1.13.0
./configure --enable-fuse-module && make && sudo make install
Hello? Grandma? You forgot to ntfsmount /dev/hda1 /mnt/c -o fmask=0111,dmask=0,succeed_chmod !
Grandma? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30what kind of ***** logic is that? linux has to support all other propertry formats just to be ready for the desktop?
show me a grandma who can install jfs/ext/ufs support on windows then, because by your own logic if she can't do it then windows isn't ready for the desktop. - bobpaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Why is Grandma dual booting? What does she care about NTFS for? She's got Firefox and Thunderbird, that's all she really uses. The whole reason we gave Grandma a linux machine was to save some money and not have to worry so much about her getting viruses and spyware, etc. This project isn't for grandma...
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Luckily every modern Linux distro ships with NTFS read support compiled in by default. Ubuntu even put an icon for my NTFS drive on my desktop.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19interoperability > an island of superiority
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14use with caution is all i can say.
remmeber when this fails, there is no one to blame except yourself, definately use at own risk ( as the creater points out) - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11It's because along with everything in Windows XP it is closed-source. You have to either write an NTFS driver from scratch or implement a method to use XP's dlls. Of course developers cant distribute these dlls but you can copy them over from your Windows partition.
- proton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@sinner: "No, but it does need to have full support for reading/writing to NTFS volumes."
No, Linux does not need to have full support for reading/writing anything other than its own file systems and industry standard media formats. - gahal, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11"reiserfs ftw."
Reiser has to be the best. The more I try and figure out how it works, the more I end up with a dumbfounded look on my face.
Anything that confusing has to be the best, and if it's not good luck explaining why. - mdpauley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Old but good to know... This is also available in Gentoo: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-457938-highlight-fuse.html
- MySchizoBuddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Why has it been so damn hard to get ntfs support in any OS other than Windows.
Is it because the ntfs isn't well documented or some other reason - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I've been using this for about 5 months now, my XP partitition has never complained about corruption. Even when you shutdown Windows improperly it will not mount with errors on the partition. Definitely recommend this for anyone who wants to write to NTFS partitions.
It's easy to set up in ubuntu just apt-get install fusemount and ntfsprogs and change the line in fstab from ntfs to ntfs-fuse and your done - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8i realise NTFS write support would be nice, but i don't see how write support is really required in a desktop migration situation.
all it'd be used for is reading files off your xp partition when you upgrade to linux. seriously nfts is such a dud file system WHY would you trust it to keep holding onto your files?
and because MS refuse to use open standards, they are the ones holed up in a cave in the moutains, everyone else manages compatability just fine. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yea. It's sooo much easier to get ext or Reiser support in Windows.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8bingo. no documentation at all. hell i'm surpised MS hasn't hit back with some kind of patent claim.
they are probably waiting until it reachs critical mass then extort everyone - grayfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Because microsoft wants it to be hard.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7why would it be? clean room implementations of things are perfectly legal. hell most of the cheap electronics you enjoy today are do to clean room stuff.
- coredump0x01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here you go: http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount
- TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You only need it if you dual boot with Windows. Personally I use it because my linux partitions are small in size compared to my NTFS partitions. The NTFS has my music and everything, but I like to tag them with Amarok under linux so i enabled write support using this.
- TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4This method is way faster than the dll solution your talking about.
Check out this guy's speed tests:
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/367 - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4no one does, ntfs sucks.
We just need to support it so we can access windows partitions(you know, for when they break). - GTanaka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5hahahaha, it really is easy though! I started out with nothing but a fresh copy of Breezy Badger and this intro to linux article:
http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/index.html
and, after a while, it becomes rather secondary! Unfortuantely, it'll take at least a weak to start using the commands, much less memorizing them, but hey! it's a start! - TA_Superman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No it's legal because it uses libntfs which is was written to implement functions for writing/reading to NTFS which Microsoft won't provide
- Trenton, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The problem isn't reading, it's writing to ntfs.
- duke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"why would anyone want NTFS on Linux?"
1. I use Windows exclusively for work. I don't have an option - that's dictated by my IT folks, and although I am quite competent to go back and forth, I am "policied out" of doing anything fun (for example, I have been chewed out even for installing and using Firefox instead of MSIE, because Firefox was a "rogue program" that constituted a "security threat" - no lie).
2. The others in my family use Windows exclusively - no interest in Linux whatsoever.
Botttom line - either at work or at home, if I break Windows or MSwhatever, there is Hell to pay. Therefore, if I am going to tinker with, and learn about, Linux AT ALL, it has to be exclusively in the context of doing so on a Windows box, on which all things I use must defer to Windows compatibility. It's not an issue of what's better, cooler, faster, cheaper, more secure, or any of that. Those are all completely irrelevant issues in my universe.
Add to that the fact that people brave enough to contemplate a switch need the safety net of Windows when things go wrong, and you wind up with a reality in which Linux must either defer 100% to Windows compatibility (or at least have 0% incompatibility) if there is to be any hope at all of widespread migration. Most computer users are not geeks who exclusively control their computing environments.
HTH, duke - VaderHader, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10'Creator'
this has been a warning from the Grammar Police, unless of course you were trying to say 'Creature' then I must alert the Spelling Police - Raptor45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I dual boot Windows XP and Ubuntu. Since most of my HD is NTFS, I only have a 10GB partition for Linux, having all my files read-only gets quite annoying. Something like this will be very nifty, if it works.
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Depends whether you're talking about native to NTFS or native to Linux. I believe this is considered to be the latter.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3samba uses windows CIFS to access the data. so it's actually the windows OS accessing the disk and passing it through to you via a network protocol.
- alienvenom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Oh ***** that. ntfsmount is crap. It's limited to the following:
* Resize files. (Always work.)
* Create files. (This will either succeed or it will be refused, 50-50% at the moment. Up to about 10 files can be created in a directory.)
* Create directories. (Same as above.)
* Remove files/directories (Works fine or removal will be refused, 90-10% at the moment.)
* Operate with special Interix files (symlinks, devices, FIFOs and sockets.)
If you want real NTFS support, use Captive NTFS. It requires Gnome and Gnome-vfs, but its pretty fast and it uses the WINE method!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_NTFS - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hopefully it's added into the next version of Knoppix. They took out the NTFS write tools in some of the more recent versions. Raping it's functionality.
- kflasch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4copy and paste IS tricky business
- sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11It's just a sarcastic remark to those Linux zealots who believe anyone can use it, and that even a 5 year old can master the art of bash shell scripting. I know read support has been with Linux for quite some time, but it's stuff like this that makes me believe Linux is nowhere near ready for it's time on the desktop.
Perhaps with further development, and a well placed distro to supplant the doomed Vista, Linux *might* be finding it's way on more desktops in the future.
edit: I should've put "write to your XP drive in linux" to clarify. - Lounger540, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The biggest reason I could see wanting this, is for Dual booting Win and Linux/OS X and having a large data drive for storing movies and MP3's. There's not a good file system that both can read/write to share with. Fat32 has that 4gb limit, and I plan to dual boot to use some PC specific video editing tools and DV always goes over 4gb. So a work OS X Intel port would be nice.
- sk545, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1how does samba work? How come i can read/write NTFS/linux partitions without anything like ngfsmount with samba?
- midorigin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What about supporting ext in Windows? Can we do that?
- spliznork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Ummm, about ext3, just FYI: ext3 is great for what it is -- a metadata journaling extension backward compatible with the non-journaling filesystem ext2. It's almost exactly like adding journaling extensions to VFAT and calling it VFAT3. Great in a vaccuum of other journaling file systems, and great as an incremental solution, but designed not to compete (and hence not meant to be competative) with any "primary" journaling file system, such as even NTFS, ReiserFS, JFS, XFS, etc.
- Hindu_Wardrobe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oh man, this is ***** great. I've tried Captive before, and it was extremely slow, and writing to the volume failed miserably. I thought "What the hell" and tried this. Perfect! I even remounted the volume to see if it actually did anything (Captive appeared to have written something, but it was just a bunch of dirty lies), and sure enough, the newly written files were there. Awesome!
- haxx4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll mess with whatever software (or hardware) I want to on my computer. No one's gonna stop me because they say it's "illegal". And considering I own a license for XP, I'll do whatever I want with that too.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So am I right to assume that there is still no-one who doesn't work at Microsoft who actually understands how NTFS works? You'd thing some damn documentation would be leaked by now and we all wouldn't have to put up with this.
- kflasch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't think it's "native support" unless MS released their spec and this was based on it.
- spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Do you know what a license is? It gives you specific things that you can do with whatever you've purchased the license for. Anything else is strictly forbidden. Just because you have a license for Windows XP doesn't mean you own it.
- sinner0423, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6to timmarhy :
"what kind of ***** logic is that? linux has to support all other propertry formats just to be ready for the desktop?"
No, but it does need to have full support for reading/writing to NTFS volumes. They've obviously got the read part down, I'm glad this has been released to support writing with 0% corruption.
Obviously ***** isn't bending over backwards for the Linux community by documenting every single thing in their OS, but you can't just hole yourself up in a proverbial cave in the mountains and not have full support for something as widely used as NTFS. People don't realize that even if Linux makes a huge, huge wave in the desktop market, we'll still all be reeling from the effects of XP for years to come. - Ensnared, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"show me a grandma who can install jfs/ext/ufs support on windows then"
Can she download a file, and can she double-click it?
If the answer to both is "yes", then - here you go: http://www.fs-driver.org/
Ok, so that only covers ext2/3, but this was only about NTFS too. - graaf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0http://www.fs-driver.org/extendeddl.html
Yes it does work with ext3 - phall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I want NTFS write support in Linux because of an external 500GB hard disk that I want to use in a mixed environment. I use Linux myself, but I make backups regularly of Windows computers too, even using Windows PE. I can format the drive as ext3 and get ext3 drivers for Windows XP but I cannot easily get ext3 support in Windows PE (Preinstallation Environment)
- dswskinner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You can read and write ext2 (not sure about 3) in Windows using this utility
http://www.fs-driver.org/
I've used it quite a lot and haven't had a problem at all. -
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