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- KWhat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+109Microsoft would never create a console application silly! It would be to hard to make it consume 500mb of ram and require 4 cd's to install.
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -8/+85[this comment has been removed due to me being a dumb-ass]
- capiCrimm, on 10/12/2007, -9/+51It would take 6 years and only offer half of the features.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -7/+42Here's the new feature of Novell Suse 11: http://vigor.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
- Detritus, on 10/12/2007, -8/+31First MS bashing thing I've ever dugg on digg...
It's funny because it's true. - actionscripted, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24@doppler00:
s/worse/better/ - LavosPhoenix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21There is a clippy for vi, his name is Vigor. It can be found at http://vigor.sourceforge.net/
And yes, I just realized there's the link above. - tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17You two are so cute when you argue.
- retawd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18When is version vii coming out? It seems like it's been decades... (Oh GAWD that's an old joke..!)
- grte, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16???
Why the ***** is anyone comparing vi to Word? It's a text editor, not a word processor.
A more apt comparison would be vi vs. notepad. - hackerssidekick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Uh, "insert" button? You mean the letter 'i' right?
Or do Macs not have that either?
Oh, crap, I'm going to be dugg down to the ground for that one... - Humptydank, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12
Yeah, but it's worth it for the make-up sex. - mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16By making it look and work like Emacs?
Also props to poster above ^ - krum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11You people are laughing, but Microsoft did ship vi in the '80s. It came with Microsoft Xenix.
- praisethelard, on 06/06/2008, -4/+13Obligatory "Welcome to Digg" comment.
- Humptydank, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18@subxero37:
Okay look, as someone who actually paid money for a copy of Windows x64, I have no great love for MS and plenty of examples of their fallibility. Every piece of software of the scope of Word has it's problems, but "tune your document so Word doesn't f**k it over?" That's serious hyperbole. I'll contrast your list of bugs with the fact that this software can be adapted to every country in the world, the only industry in which it hasn't become the de facto standard is law, where Wordperfect is still managing to hold on, and if you don't like how it handles something you can re-script almost anything.
As I say, every piece of software has its share of bugs, compatibility issues, and interface decisions that you may not agree with, but as a coder I have to swallow my pride and give them the ultimate props for Word and the rest of the Office suite. Criticize them all you want, but as a large-scale, serve every-market-segment, ambitious commercial product Word/Office is better than everything else available for sale or for free, and not by a little bit either.
So enough with the "criticize MS at all costs" fanboy stuff, give them their props for XBox 360 and Office, and then put your criticism where it belongs, like Vista. And rumor has it that Zune 2 will be coming out, so that should for a laugh too. - tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9$>VI
bash: VI: command not found
No wonder he hates it... - mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8What do you mean lack of an insert button? You press i to insert text.. that's the whole point of Vim - no special keys needed.
- yaosio, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12Oh boy a joke about clippy. While you're at it why not make some jokes about how long Titanic was, or Bill Clinton getting some love in the White House?
- actionscripted, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Agreed.
"It looks like you're trying to do a regular expression..." - tolbs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10now we know what Steve Ballmer is referencing with respect to Linux stealing Microsoft IP. :)
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours.
As mentioned, the whole point of vi(m) is not to take your fingers off the standard keys. Pretend there are no Home, Insert, Delete, End, Page Up, Page Down or arrow keys and you are on your way to a better life. Your only real friend in the world now is ESC.
You can turn on syntax highlightening by typing 'syntax on' at the command line or in a vimrc file if it isn't on by default (It isn't turned on by default in a lot of Linux distros). Here is some background for you for OS X: http://macvim.org/OSX/index.php
I don't spend a lot of time in OS X, but when I do I always use the shell. Unix is Unix, no matter the eye candy...they all have their own quirks out of the box. You must learn to learn, not to complain, Grasshopper. - Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's well known (by the non-ignorant) that Microsoft made that video themselves. In other words, the "bitch-slapped" themselves. Doesn't quite have the sting you thought it had, does it, xShad0w?
- transeunte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6<dsif0r> that lil clip dude
<dsif0r> that microsoft uses
<dsif0r> he rules.
<quish> ...
<quish> no he doesnt
<quish> he's annoying as hell
<dsif0r> yes he does
<dsif0r> he always cares about my feelings
<dsif0r> people just treat him like *****
<dsif0r> and hes only there to help. - subxero37, on 10/12/2007, -13/+19@Humptydank: You mean good ol' Microsoft Word? The software that randomly shifts things around in your document? The software where a newer version can't open a file written in an older version? (We have both Word 2000 and Word 2003 at my school. Word 2003 crashes when opening a file saved in Word 2000.) The software where some options are hidden in some remote toolbar location? (Think the Transparency option for pictures - it's not in the Format Picture box where everything should be, it's at the very end of the Picture Toolbar, with a very unintuitive icon.)
Yes, good ol' Microsoft Word. Why use your software for things you need done when you could spend all your time trying to figure out how to tune your document so Word doesn't f*ck it over? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7No, we code faster because we don't have stupid ass software that crashes and tries to tell us how to code.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6If they had stuck with Xenix the world would have been a much better place.
- MagicBobert, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5All that proved is that your colleague sucks at vi.
- SneezingTree, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10@retawd:
I didn't know that the Nintendo's newest German console would be out so soon! =O
Personally, I can't wait for the Vii to be released. =) - regeya, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Meh. Just to be a stick in the mud, I'll point out that, given the age of vi and what MS was known for in their early days, if they'd written their own version of vi it probably would have been (I'm making up numbers here) 256 bytes in size, consume 512 bytes of RAM, would have been snappy on a 300 baud terminal, would have made the Altair seem like a supercomputer.
Yes, I went there. - stretch611, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Here the truth is scarier than fiction. If you really want to see what vi would look like if made by MS go and look at EDLIN.
EDLIN made vi seem user friendly, and it did not require a paperclip to scare millions of computer users. - stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5You and cfpresley should have a chat.
- mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5But miles below vi in terms of editing power (aka experienced-user friendliness).
- Psygnosis, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Someone at Microsoft made that iPod video
http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/25957 - lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Agreed, your colleague sucked. You can program macros in vi, maybe you should inform your friend of that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8man, that paperclip has gotten me out of sooooo many jams. i go and ask for help, it turns up, no results, so i have to figure it out on my own. the good part about it is that i learn more about word, ie features, because of the paperclip.
so it is pretty much the most worthless "assistant" in the world - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4OLD, if you haven't seen this by now then you must be under a huge ***** rock.
- cfpresley, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9Do you mean it would actually be usuable? Do you want to see a good MS console editor? How about Edit? It worked like a charm, edlin did too, before they dumped it.
- s6t9eve, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If microsoft made vi then atleast it would actually work... instead of being a dated, counter-producitve, completely unintuitive waste of time.
- dwhitbeck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I like nano.
- subxero37, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@Humptydank again: I didn't mean to suggest it's not the market-leading Office software. I just want software I don't have to play with. I do enough programming as it is, I don't want to script Word. I don't hate Microsoft either. I wasn't trying to suggest that they turn out genuine pieces of crap, I was saying that I don't like how Word decides to handle things. I would happily use something else if it weren't for my school's choice of software.
I have no doubt at all that Microsoft's Office suite is an excellent product (I've said so in other Digg comments) and that, for now, it has OpenOffice and just about any office solution beat. I do more complex documents though, and I have incredible need for document perfection (dammit, that border's off by 1 pixel/point...) and this is really the only place where Word irks me. That's all.
Didn't mean for it to come out some other way. Actually, I figured people here would digg that comment up knowing the anti-Microsoft people here... - ioannusdeverani, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3My God! Look at all the spammy comments on the post!
- jwestbrook, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3dugg for bringing back clippy and dugg for the amount of comment spam on that blog
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think he meant :s/worse/better/
- Xenogis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Microsoft has changed now though... just look at the changes with vista.
- codmate, on 11/13/2007, -0/+2He did use a vi macro - it's just the clunky interface means it takes longter to do.
In TextPad or UE32 you just hit CTRL+SHIFT+R and start doing stuff!
Then press CTRL+R to run the macro.
Job done.
Seriously, it's quicker. - Darcy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why do MS bashers all seem to live in the past? Clippy was 10 years ago, don't you think it's time to move on?
- actionscripted, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Start > Run > "cmd" [ENTER] > "edlin [some file]"
Start > Run > "cmd" [ENTER] > "edit"
Both exist, even in Vista. Of course I might suggest installing Vim if you're going to do Windows text editing.
</bias> - kelyar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i've seen it when i was a child
- cbergeron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Anyone here remember "edlin" ?
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Wow, that totally sucked. I'll take vi over edlin any day. -
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