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- parsap, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22Look up the definition of donation.
- Sethwm2, on 10/10/2007, -1/+22Please don't Digg me down for this one... I have no clue... But if you are running a TOR server and other people are using it to do malicious things and evade Wound that put your ip address on many different black lists and spam lists??
- meldroc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+20It might behoove all Tor users to know that a new version, 0.1.2.17, has just been released.
Among other things, it has some improvements to its load-balancing code, and assuming enough users upgrade to the new version, the effective network capacity would be raised by a factor of four.
Get it at the usual place - http://tor.eff.org/ - ISIfunded911, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17You can easily set your tor server not to be the exit point of the connections, so that your IP is never seen or recorded by any site because you never connect to anything, you just stay in the middle of the tor network, passing data totally anonymously.
- newbill123, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16I like supporting free speech on the internet, and the Tor project interests me because as someone who has no deep dark secrets to hide, I'd be glad to donate bandwidth to help perpetuate free speech.
When I looked at Tor though, two problems came up for me. 1) What backlash can I expect from my ISP? Right now, I have AT&T which is seemingly dead set against free speech. 2) What sort of potential legal issues could I see? From a free speech point of view the answer is clear, but I still hear things about this kind of thing not being black and white. If there are grey issues, I'd like to hear them explained from the perspective of someone who'd be doing all they can to take down Tor or it's connectors. - ichthys, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15Help the people in China read wikipedia!
- concord, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15The only ones who ever get in trouble are those who HOST illegal content. Downloading it rarely results in problems. Most people still connect using dynamic IPs which change frequently.
I wouldn't worry about hosting a TOR server. - jcims, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10The client lets you set outbound policies, fwiw. It's been a while, but if i recall correctly it lets you specify which ports folks can connect to from your system (e.g. limit it to port 80 and 443 for example) That somewhat limits the amount of damage that can be inflicted from it.
- ISIfunded911, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Criminal organizations work hand in hand with people like Cheney and Bush and the CIA and the FBI. Halliburton is a criminal organization for example. The mob and the FBI and the CIA worked together to get rid of Kennedy. Politicians at the top are mostly corrupt. It is all a giant mafia.
And they do not need Tor! They are above the law anyway.
With Tor you will make it harder for that giant mafia to track people who fight it. - sinoth, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9No.
- ksool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9As for the legality of running a tor server, you're right, it is a gray area where no legal precedent has been set. Nobody has ever been sued for running a tor server (there was an incident in Germany where a couple people had their servers seized but weren't charged) but it does put you directly in the spot light if someone should use your machine as an exit node to look at or do something nefarious. I guess it's one of those things that "should" be legal, and there's lots of great reasons for running a tor server (helping people get around the Great Firewall, for example) but you could end up in the hot seat if someone uses your server as an exit node to view or do something nefarious. This all, of course, strictly _does_not_ apply if you do not run an exit node. Then, anybody can see that you're running a tor server, but no one will ever see any packets coming from your machine nor will they be able to determine what traffic you are transporting as everything is SSL encrypted several times over.
This is all discussed in much greater detail in the Tor Docs http://tor.eff.org/documentation.html.en http://tor.eff.org/faq-abuse.html.en#TypicalAbuses and especially the Legal FAQ http://tor.eff.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en
The tor wiki has a ton of great information as well http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorFAQ
Definitely contribute if you can, even if only by running a transport node. If you do run an exit node, I'd recommend making sure all your stuff is in order (encrypt or remove what ever nefarious content you may own) to make things smoother should someone, someday come knocking on your door. That said, I'm not a lawyer but I do recommend you go ask one (or go talk to the EFF) as I'm sure their advice would carry much more weight than mine. - eviltuxking, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Man, it's not all about you. You gotta support the community and help those with restricted access to the internet out, its all one world.
- amoeba, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You can setup a tor server to be an internal server and not an 'exit node' that way no one ever connects to external connect directly via your IP but you can still support the network by helping distribute the data between servers.
- Matt2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6There's been plenty of stories of people getting busted in the US for downloading kiddie porn. Wired carried a story a few years back. Depends on the content, and who's after you, but yes, you can get busted for downloading. I don't know what kind of logs major ISPs keep regarding dynamic IPs, but if it's anything like the terrabytes of data the telcos store for every call logged across the nation, every minute of every day for years, I'm guessing they can track it back to you.
- Matt2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Yes, it would show your IP. And, most consumer IP space come with terms of service that would prohibit running TOR. Commercial services are unlikely to risk their fat uplinks so a chinaman can surf wikipedia. Sucks. I don't know what the answer is, my guess is the last bastion of freedom, the university campus, (and rogue IT departments) is where you're most likely to find a TOR server.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6If you see big brother please kill him in the face.
- amoeba, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5You can setup a tor server to be an internal server and not an 'exit node' that way no one ever connects to external connect directly via your IP but you can still support the network by helping distribute the data between servers.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Friend of mine was questioned because some kiddie porn was tracked to have passed through the node he was running in his dorm. I don't feel like having that traced back to or even through me. Otherwise I would totally set up a tor router in my dorm
- dick-richardson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Who was your ISP?
- arkmtech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Geez, why do people bury those who ask questions that might inform others? :-/
@CielChocobo: Yes, Tor runs using an application called "Privoxy," which is something of a proxy server that runs locally on your computer - It routes traffic from your web browser (and any other proxy-compatible application - mIRC, for instance) into the Tor network and manages cookies, modifies web site data that might otherwise reveal your identity, and can even remove stuff like ads/banners/pop-ups/etc. - DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Step 1. Format Hard Drive... =P
I don't know about Windows Server, but according to The TOR Volunteer FAQ:
Tor servers don't work well on Windows XP. On Windows, Tor uses the standard select() system call, which uses space in the non-page pool. This means that a medium sized Tor server will empty the non-page pool, causing havoc and system crashes. We should probably be using overlapped IO instead. One solution would be to teach libevent how to use overlapped IO rather than select() on Windows, and then adapt Tor to the new libevent interface.
http://tor.eff.org/volunteer.html.en - osbjmg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Damn you, it's what we want. It's your country, stop being such a wimp. If your ISP doesn't like it, FIRE them. If everyone says they want this, so shall it be. Strength in truth and strength in numbers is never wrong.
If your connection drops, that's the least of your worries. If your government or other less-than-Kosher organizations steal your information, well that's a damn shame. - Ap31r0n, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Servers are slow because they charge a premium for faster connections...
but tor still rocks.
thanks cDc - arkmtech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3If you got nothing to hide, you'll submit to arrest willingly - if you resist arrest, you'll be arrested 'cuz you've got somethin' to hide.
It's called circular logic... means it doesn't have any holes in it.
[/Bush] - kingyubba, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Ogres are like onions....
they should rename it The Ogre Router. yup. that's the ticket. - DarkDragon, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4So wanting privacy makes you a criminal? TOR allows regular people to have privacy without having to do anything criminal.
- dick-richardson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3No, it'd serve them right if that's what they WANTED to do. Trying to let some kid in China read about Tiananmen Square and have some whack job usurp your good efforts for his perversions is a bit different.
- RavagesOfTime, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3It was 2 years ago, but it was something along the lines of my IP Address and the movie "Good Night and Good Luck", which I hadn't even heard of at the time.
- arkmtech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Could you post some linkage? I just haven't ever heard of this being a problem.
Remember, running a Tor server only requires that you pass data along in the Tor network - being an 'exit node' is optional. I can certainly understand people being concerned that some moron out there will use their connection for accessing objectionable or illegal content, though. - devjunkie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Well, if everyone set it up to not be an exit point then TOR wouldn't exist ;)
You can run an exit node despite what your ISP TOS says. Your ISP can say whatever they want in the contract, but the DMCA is what matters - and the DMCA states that a host is not responsible for the content being passed through. This is what gets ISPs off the hook if you download MP3s using their service, or what gets you off the hook if you run a forum and someone posts illegal content.
TOR is no exception - say in theory someone does something bad from your exit node and your ISP or whoever tries to sue you, the fact alone that you run TOR will pretty much make that entire situation null and void since no one can prove whether or not it was you.
The whole "you're responsible for what goes in and out of your connection" is BS and has never once held up in a case - you'd be in the same boat if you got a trojan and someone was misusing your computer remotely, or someone breaks into/leeches onto your wireless.
Don't let it scare you - that's what this technology is for, freedom. Open up an exit node and have a blast. - devjunkie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Somehow I doubt that.
What did this "call" state?
TOR is not illegal and the DMCA protects you (legally) in the event someone misuses your exit node, despite what their TOS states. - iceschade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The government? What? Are you talking about EFF or about cDc? Because neither, to my knowledge, is government-supported. From what I've seen, the EFF is more than happy to lash out at a government that is abusing our rights.
- gavin422, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Don't you need to be able to forward your ports (in order to be connectible) to be on the TOR network? That would make computers on university networks fairly poor servers, since they have no control over their connectibility.
- devjunkie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Correction, "Big brother" sucks more.
I speak for most people when I say this, but I'll gladly take the risk of criminals over a controlled society any day. - NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't care how many child porn perverts they catch... They should not be infringing upon, limiting or taking away MY freedoms, to do so. I have a right to privacy, and in my mind, any "logs" are infringing upon that right.
- devjunkie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2First off, drop AT&T. Why you would support a company that gave the NSA access, without a warrant no less, to customer data and activity is beyond me.
If you wanna support free speech, you don't ask permission. You just do it.
If your ISP bitches, give them the proverbial finger and say, "Freedom of speech" - you can't HALF support the idea.
You go all out or you don't do it at all. - Floodle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The more you "fight the man" the more men they employ the more tax you pay
- jamesatdigg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2try this http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-tor-to-surf-anonymously-in-ubuntu-feisty-with-firefox.html
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Most likely, your friend was running an Exit node. Otherwise, it's pretty much impossible to track a TOR connection.
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Completely anonymous internet connectivity
- georgethompson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Can we get windows server instructions?
- ISIfunded911, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Reminds me of Germany, some decades ago. When people act fearfully, it gets easier for the mafia at the top to turn a country into a dictatorship. A corporate one this time. Or maybe a police state. Or both.
Fight for freedom and for your rights now before it makes you even more fearful! - NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Freedom comes with a price... In order to have freedom to surf anonymously... Some of those bad things might happen.
But to give up freedoms... to give up our rights to privacy, in order to catch a few perverts... is unamerican... I will not sacrifice my freedoms, to help the government do anything... ISP logs are *****...
I don't care who uses my tor server, I am perpetuating and supporting freedom, so the bad things are an ok trade-off in my mind. - Thadster, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Fight the man at any cost!
- iceschade, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1People say the same thing about freenet. "Yeah, they can host child porn! Oh noes!" Fact is, if someone's hosting child porn, in Freenet you can't do a whole hell of a lot about it. But in Tor, you can. Because in Tor, it's the actual internet you're on. Using TorPark (the firefox-based browser) you can surf the web. Not just some Tor-web, but the REAL web. And, of course, if you find kiddie pron on the real web, you can do something about it. If you really wanted to, you could monitor the connections made by your network to various things online. No, you couldn't tell WHO was looking at what site, but you could tell what sites are being viewed (assuming you're an exit point). And in doing so, if you find something iffy, you can report it. And guess what? If a pedo is finding kiddie pron, and you get the URL they're using, and you shut them down by reporting that URL... You've stopped ANYONE from accessing that kiddie pron, not just one person.
- binaryspiral, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Many universities give out public IPs via DHCP. Yes, I know it sounds very stupid and crazy - but its true. I thought it was just a fluke with one I worked with, but then it seems to be a pattern of not putting any sort of control on access.
Yes, they even had server networks sitting on public IPs... :o - rento, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5I am all for helping freedom of speech. But on the other hand, what if criminal organizations of all kind abuse this?
Big brother sucks, criminals suck more - lengau, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sorry. Digg killed my comment.
Don't do that unless you're running gutsy. Use the sources given, because the version of TOR in Feisty and earlier is old and doesn't support the latest version of the network.
deb http://mirror.noreply.org/pub/tor $VERSIONNAME main
They have versions for Ubuntu (Dapper, Edgy, Feisty) and Debian (Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Sid). - defconoi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1for a better howto and a GUI setup check out http://ubuntu-unleashed.blogspot.com/2007/09/setup-vidalia-tor-gui-with-ubuntu-and.html
Why we need Tor
Using Tor protects you against a common form of Internet surveillance known as "traffic analysis." Traffic analysis can be used to infer who is talking to whom over a public network. Knowing the source and destination of your Internet traffic allows others to track your behavior and interests. This can impact your checkbook if, for example, an e-commerce site uses price discrimination based on your country or institution of origin. It can even threaten your job and physical safety by revealing who and where you are. For example, if you're travelling abroad and you connect to your employer's computers to check or send mail, you can inadvertently reveal your national origin and professional affiliation to anyone observing the network, even if the connection is encrypted.
How does traffic analysis work? Internet data packets have two parts: a data payload and a header used for routing. The data payload is whatever is being sent, whether that's an email message, a web page, or an audio file. Even if you encrypt the data payload of your communications, traffic analysis still reveals a great deal about what you're doing and, possibly, what you're saying. That's because it focuses on the header, which discloses source, destination, size, timing, and so on.
A basic problem for the privacy minded is that the recipient of your communications can see that you sent it by looking at headers. So can authorized intermediaries like Internet service providers, and sometimes unauthorized intermediaries as well. A very simple form of traffic analysis might involve sitting somewhere between sender and recipient on the network, looking at headers.
But there are also more powerful kinds of traffic analysis. Some attackers spy on multiple parts of the Internet and use sophisticated statistical techniques to track the communications patterns of many different organizations and individuals. Encryption does not help against these attackers, since it only hides the content of Internet traffic, not the headers. - eon01, on 08/08/2009, -0/+1Une version en français , le même sujet :http://web-01.blogspot.com/2009/08/configurer-un-s ...
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