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- 1ncu3us, on 08/16/2008, -6/+72Please please please please please make a Linux suite... please
- TheWindBlows, on 08/16/2008, -9/+74There are a lot of advantages to Adobe Making their Products for linux.
Such as Running Adobe design software on the equivalent of a Super Computer.
Yes I went there since this is something neither Windows or Mac can easily do.
Of course they can't distribute Super Computer Based Version on the fly but if they designed the linux port correctly all that would be needed is a simple recompile. Plus Adobe can make big bucks off that recompile (Someone who pays for a super computer for graphics designing should have no issue paying a few extra grand for the recompiled Suite. ) - 3242130193, on 08/16/2008, -8/+58The article is completely right - this is also why Google and Sun are such a big supporters of FOSS - by attacking Microsoft's revenue source (Windows, Office, etc.) with open alternatives, it paves the way for narrower companies like Adobe, Google and others to tend to their own niches. These companies have to take a stand now to hold Microsoft back for the benefit of the entire computing industry. Letting Microsoft stand around isn't going to help them. Microsoft wants to take over them.
The article makes a big mistake though - supporting Moonlight will have the exact opposite effect. Microsoft is SUPPORTING Moonlight development through their deal with Novell and development of Mono. Al contrare, Microsoft WANTS Linux users to use Moonlight.
Why? Because if their platform becomes more ubiquitous, then they'll continue to shun out competitors (Adobe's Flash in this case). They're also using it to push their own formats, namely WMV and WMA, and therefore their own media suite (Windows Media Player and Windows Movie Maker). - TheWindBlows, on 08/16/2008, -4/+53Linux user are to cheap to "buy" Adobe software? So Exactly what is the piracy rate of Adobe Photoshop on Windows?...
- ilikeeggs8877, on 08/16/2008, -11/+58I don't know where you live, but I've never met anyone who prefers GIMP to Photoshop...
- YodaJones, on 08/16/2008, -11/+52Hey John, Totally agree, but Adobe has no balls and is more afraid to join the open source community than being Microsoft's bitch.
- kentifer, on 08/16/2008, -2/+42Umm, doesn't adobe have a market with macs too?
- peestandingup, on 08/17/2008, -24/+57There's only one problem. And thats Linux desktop only having like 1% market share.
Somehow I doubt Adobe is gonna go through all that trouble (and money) developing for such a niche group.
Now digg me down, Linux Nazis, for being rational. Cause I just know you're gonna. - Myztry, on 08/17/2008, -1/+31Who says it needs to be Open Source. You can have proprietary software on Linux. It would be nice though having the huge community developer support.
- sonicEd, on 08/17/2008, -3/+29Porting CS3 for Linux is a good idea, but as others have noted it would hurt OSX more than Windows.
- TheWriteGuy, on 08/17/2008, -2/+28Adobe definitely should go full bore and port their major apps to Linux. They could also partner with a hardware reseller (Dell?) to sell Adobe-licensed workstations that run on Linux. They should start looking into doing these things NOW.
Frankly, I just don't understand why Adobe seems to continue to blow off Linux and apparently kisses Microsoft's ass, when Microsoft keeps trying to undermine Adobe (latest example being Silverlight). In the end, the longevity of Adobe the company will depend on them breaking their reliance on the Windows platform for all their revenue. Otherwise, it will be Microsoft sometime in the near future who will attempt to buy out a financially vulnerable Adobe -- if Google doesn't save them first. - mohtasham, on 08/16/2008, -13/+38Silverlight is the biggest threat to the internet right now. I'm pretty sure, that current Linux users prefer GIMP to Photoshop, but porting photoshop to Linux will be a major step towards attracting new users for Linux. Google can play a very important role in here. If they add a Linux distribution to their google pack, many users will install it, since people trust google. I don't know why they have included Norton security scan program in their google pack, while the best anti virus (Linux) is absent there.
- statc, on 08/17/2008, -2/+26nah I have a mac and I still bootlegged it.
- benologist, on 08/17/2008, -2/+25I believe Mac is where they get all their sales, PC where they get all their piracy.
- dinostabOMG, on 08/16/2008, -4/+26YES PLEASE. That would drop the number of applications keeping me in Windows at all down to ONE.
- BrianOl, on 08/17/2008, -1/+22I guarantee that if Adobe offered their their creative suite for Linux based operating systems I would never again touch windows. I don't even care if its open source or not, closed source is fine. Hell, even if the latest release just ran relatively well under wine I'd completely drop windows.
- NodOfficer, on 08/17/2008, -1/+20apt-get install*
- inactive, on 08/16/2008, -2/+21Ubuntu/Debian Jokes: They're only funny if you use Ubuntu/Debian. And even that's borderline.
- dinostabOMG, on 08/17/2008, -0/+18Media studios (animation, video, web design, print, etc.) rely on Adobe apps - there is no substitute for some of them at this point, especially Photoshop. Most of these studios use Macs, or a mixture of Macs and Windows boxes, believe it or not. What is the Mac's market share? In any case in this niche, they are very healthy.
Further, many of these studios are already running Linux for apps like Flame (at least in animation and video). This shows that they are willing to run Linux even for one or two killer apps - imagine how Adobe could turn this on its head.
For these kinds of businesses, it would hardly be better. They would be able to spend the same amount on better hardware (no Apple tax) when they upgrade, customize the OS installs to exactly their liking, have all the standard benefits of Linux which have been discussed ad nauseam, and dump the OS license fees.
Anyway, nearly all of Adobe's market is this niche. I know a lot of you have Photoshop on your PCs, but how many of you bought it? It doesn't matter so much that Linux desktop has 1% market share among Joe User. Adobe is in a position to DETERMINE the OS market share balance in their niche. It would be in their interest to call this shot instead of letting Microsoft do it for them. - Ki77erB, on 08/17/2008, -0/+17I use Linux, and I have GIMP and Photoshop installed (with Wine obviously), and while Photoshop is a little more buggy, I still would rather use it then GIMP. I dont hate GIMP, but I've been using Photoshop since 5.0, its hard to give it up.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+18Holy crap. Bundling the Creative Suite with Dell Linux PCs is a GREAT idea, and gives me hope that there are real incentives to doing a port.
- bigbangbuddha, on 08/17/2008, -3/+19This would be fantastic. So much of the OS gets in the way of effective art production. Its mainly because windows (and OS X) is not customized for media dev work flows, its meant for general purpose file management. If we could get a version of Linux customized for CS then the file system, desktop, and launcher could be reconfigured specificaly for managing multitudes of image and video files. In my work (video game production) we deal with gigabytes of image data every day and half of our problems come from management of it, and thats because the file system is so weak; for pete sakes MS 'symbolic links' get with it! If we had our suits on linux our engineering team would have more control and be able to configure the process better, thus making for better art in the end. Adobe, get behind this and we'll get behind you!
- Narcism, on 08/16/2008, -11/+26sudo apt-get adobeMasterCollection please.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -0/+15DGA is a part of X11 - ATI drivers have it and NVidia drivers are supposed to have it again. You can't expect Digg users who aren't into programming to know this ***** but I'm sure I could find someone on my short buddy list who knows what it is.
And you can have a software fallback.
I know it's a bit longwinded, but if you're a pro-graphics editor you probably have a big ass graphics card anyways - If not, you can fallback - The multiplatform editor Pixel has no acceleration and runs at an acceptable speed using just SDL. - MavRevMatt, on 08/17/2008, -2/+17Woah, a Dvorak rant that I can actually agree with!
- benologist, on 08/17/2008, -1/+15Solitaire
- YodaJones, on 08/17/2008, -0/+14Very true. I own the quite costly Windows version of Adobe Production Studio Premium Suite. I would GLADLY pay for a upgrade to a fully functional Linux version. I believe that I am not alone with these sentiments. I also believe that a Linux version of this suite would have better performance than the Windows version.
These Adobe products are the only reason we, and some clients, are not all Linux all the time. - sembetu, on 08/17/2008, -2/+16I actually felt the need to log in just to comment...
Anyway, how about if Adobe started by building PhotoShop Elements for Linux. Stick with me here. The TOTAL development cost could be easily recaptured by either licensing it or selling it at a low enough price point (say $49.99) that it would be worth it for the average (not pro) user to dip their toe in. [Think the Mother-In-Law whose nerdy Son-in-Law just installed Ubuntu so she wouldn't call him 40 times a week for support.] Then, they could gauge the potential audience and move forward if they saw the market. No doubt, doing this would also spur rumors on sites like digg that Adobe was considering bigger moves. All in all a win-win, because once they saw the potential, maybe some of the suits would change their minds.
Just a thought. - JonForTheWin, on 08/17/2008, -3/+17Because that 1% are the serious users.
- dasunst3r, on 08/17/2008, -11/+24Digg my comment up if you would BUY something in Adobe's Creative Suite if they ported to Linux.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+14I have done similar things - You are aware that you can accelerate 2D via OpenGL right? Plus, Dga improves the blitting speed by a lot. (NVidia destroyed Dga support in their drivers, though :)
The only problem with using OpenGL is the texture limit but on my hardware i can have a up to 8024x8024x32 textures and it works just fine (Unbelievably, no big performance impact on my 8800 GTS even if i draw it twice.) - dinostabOMG, on 08/17/2008, -1/+14Haha. Good guess dcollins, but I can live with Rhythmbox. It's 3ds max, which I haven't had luck with in Wine.
- neFariou5, on 08/17/2008, -1/+14That 1% would dramatically increase if major apps such as the Adobe ones ran on Linux.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+15That's to be expected - While GIMP is very nice, it hasn't gained enough momentum to become a complete rival to Photoshop. It's a completely acceptable piece of editing software, though.
- JonForTheWin, on 08/17/2008, -3/+15Adobe should get in on offering their creative software on Ubuntu. Not to hurt microsoft, but because there are more than enough customers to justify the developer time it would take to compile the software. . . unless Adobe's source code is extremely badly written of coarse.
- ucuntu, on 08/17/2008, -2/+13The point is, OSX has 5 maybe 10% of the desktop OS market, if Adobe develops for Linux, they will help the market share of Linux.
Adobe already go through the hassle of developing flash player and reader for Linux, and I know a company that would happily use Linux instead of Windows if CS was available on Linux.
They'd even *gasp* PAY FOR IT..... - insomniac8400, on 08/17/2008, -0/+11I was referring to a Mac being a gui for freebsd.
- DangerCollie, on 08/17/2008, -0/+10Even better they could build a turn key video editing system around Premiere. That would give them an edge on FCP on Mac and Vegas and Avid on Windows. Especially if they let the community help them build a render farm component. Could you imagine being able to take all your old hardware laying around and slave it into a video render farm on Linux.
Bundle Premiere with AfterEffects. I think they would have something there. - dechah, on 08/17/2008, -0/+10Didn't Corel try to create their own linux distro in the late 90's and failed dismally?
- vincentweber, on 08/17/2008, -1/+11"people are not going to be eager to pay over a grand just to use adobe software (not to mention the extra space in their offices)"
How much money do you think the majority of computer users spend too much on hardware upgrades just because they are tied to a piece of commercial-screw-customers-to-get-more-money half baked farse-product called Windows? - naju, on 08/17/2008, -0/+9humm wrong, Silverlight isn't available on linux. That is why the mono project (which does a .NET implementation on linux) does moonlight.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10One machine, even GPU enhanced, will never beat a 16-machine cluster, especially if each machine in the cluster is also GPU enhanced.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10krustaceo: The question isn't whether Linux users would pay for Photoshop, it's whether Photoshop users would use it on Linux.
- addicted68098, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10Porting to Linux is never a big deal either...they would probably get a return on the investment in less than a month too.
- JonForTheWin, on 08/17/2008, -1/+10Most of the people who actually pay for it are in production environments which almost always pay for licenses under fear of the BSA. These are the same companies who would benefit tremendously from what a purely GNU/Linux house could offer.
Imagine diskless workstations that PXE-boot the OS and Adobe applications from a server with MFT SSDs (the "like a 300,000rpm drive" ones) and mount users home folders from large RAID 60 arrays using XFS (a filesystem actually good for what Adobe users do). In a mostly Photoshop and Illustrator house, the exponential productivity increase would change the business forever and even with only 20 or 30 users, the in-house IT overhead would drop significantly. - djbon2112, on 08/17/2008, -1/+9@ dinostabOMG:
Why not use Blender? Or Maya if you feel like stepping up? - doctordbx, on 08/17/2008, -1/+9Yes but I think you'll find that Adobe software (flagships Illustrator, Indesign and Photoshop) are on something like 80 to 90% of Macs, whereas only about 5% of PCs, so it's a good market for them... and very profitable.
- Atomic1fire, on 08/17/2008, -1/+9Plus, with giving Linux users professional software, it allows them to slowly defeat Microsoft issues, such as only supporting windows, by ensuring that all the companies are going multi platform, and thus, able to support them without the need for alternatives, good alternatives would stay or get bought out, while if the real deal was better, it would become popular.
- inactive, on 08/17/2008, -2/+10It's already ported to Mac, but it's still not multiplatform - It's probably very 'hackish' (from a multiplatform PoV) since they only need to support 2 platforms.
Saying that a software is multiplatform because it runs on Mac and Windows is ***** - more like DualPlatform unless it has a truly platform independent core. - dinostabOMG, on 08/17/2008, -1/+9Agreed. A lot of studios are paying the Apple tax so they can use Adobe products on a non-Windows OS. I bet that would mostly stop if Adobe supported Linux. I don't see that as a negative thing, though. It would also reduce Windows share, IMO.
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