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- anshuman, on 10/28/2007, -5/+56btw its also for fedora too "yum install hotwire" . nothing ubuntu specific . rather "hotwire in linux" would be appropriate IMHO.
- colinwalters, on 10/28/2007, -0/+39Wow a lot of publicity for my toy project =) While it looks cool as a demo and I do use it as my daily shell, I completely admit that there's still a lot of cases where you have to fall back to the terminal (mostly sudo-type stuff, or the random commands that need input), and the completion is still a bit buggy among other things.
So please do try it and report bugs, but don't be afraid to type Ctrl-Shift-T if you need the old terminal, until we're at a 95% replacement instead of 80% as it is now. - JzzL, on 10/29/2007, -2/+33Worst.Music.Ever
- trelum, on 10/28/2007, -1/+31tempting to bury just because of the music in the video..
- edzilla, on 10/28/2007, -1/+23What's this linux thingy? Another lame ripoff of ubuntu?
- Flamekebab, on 10/28/2007, -0/+16I wish they'd host videos of these things on something like Blip.TV where the resolution wouldn't be so tiny. It'd be nice to SEE what the hell is going on..
- gnomeuser, on 10/28/2007, -5/+20Not only is it available in Fedora.. it's actually developed by Colin Waters, a Red Hat employee and.. Fedora developer. I think it's time to give credit where credit is due Ubuntu fanboys, please stop implying credit given to Ubuntu for features they did not themselves develop, the rest of us develop code and give it away under OSI approved Free Software licenses the least we deserve is correct attribution.
- Ub3rg33k, on 10/28/2007, -0/+14I'd love to comment on if its a cool tool or not, but I can't see wtf is going on in the video at all.
- sirhomer, on 10/22/2007, -1/+14I love wobbly windows.
- fluxion, on 10/22/2007, -2/+14word. i hate linux now because of that music.
- schestowitz, on 10/28/2007, -1/+11This looks like a fantastic tool. Is there a full size/+quality video somewhere (to make the text and demos readable)?
- jcaino, on 10/22/2007, -2/+10you know...it can be disabled...
- deadbaby, on 10/28/2007, -0/+7Agreed. Turning the ***** music down wouldn't hurt either.
- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -4/+11Off topic, but I cringe whenever I see that Compiz wobbly window effect. Worse-than-pointless eye candy.
- colinwalters, on 10/28/2007, -0/+6HonoredMule: Very early versions actually supported remoting over ssh and the basics (listing files, executing commands) worked, but completion didn't work and there were enough bugs with local operation that I put it on hold. Now that we're getting a lot closer to parity with bash locally remoting might land in the next few months.
- spudlyo, on 10/28/2007, -0/+5I think it's cool people are working on redefining how a terminal program works. The music wasn't necessary, how about some voice-over talking about the features? When I'm working inside a terminal, I don't want to move my hands off of home row, so I think I'd be annoyed by using the mouse to navigate stuff in that program.
- Brennan, on 10/24/2007, -3/+8There is absolutely no reason to have Ubuntu in the title.
- knobtwiddler, on 10/22/2007, -3/+7 i dont see any wobbly windows.
maybe you took some acid. - carrett, on 10/28/2007, -0/+4Thanks for your hard work! It's pretty cool as is. The built in filemanager will save me a lot unnecessary calls to ls.
- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -2/+5Tell the guy who made the video.
- Quilby, on 10/28/2007, -0/+3Looks like a great tool. First update to the terminal in 10 years.
- thewump, on 10/21/2007, -1/+4Well they had to sex it up with something!
- DevastatorIIC, on 10/22/2007, -1/+4The autosuggest looks extremely annoying, but the built in file browser could be extremely awesome.
- icheyne, on 10/21/2007, -0/+3Fish is cool too. At least that supports "sudo".
- dezent, on 10/21/2007, -0/+3whats the positive with hotwire ? isnt xterm good enough nowdays ?
- colinwalters, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3The short answer is, it's not a terminal emulator. It's a crossplatform Python command execution shell, which can do much of what one would do before in a terminal.
Here's a comparison between /bin/sh and Hotwire: http://code.google.com/p/hotwire-shell/wiki/Hotwir ... - HonoredMule, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2So I noticed when digging deeper into the online info, though I never saw indication of a win32 SSH client to standard CLI tools specifically. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't something that could work without software installed server-side, but a replacement of bash itself, correct? That's what I'd need.
It does look rather cool in its own right, but its primary appeal to me is in offering a GUI in situations where it would not normally be available. I really hate, for example, having to use ctrl+z and fg # to switch around different programs, or typing a command for every bloody tiny operation instead of selecting files to open with common user access key controls or looking up arcane grep commands instead of pressing ctrl+f plus entering info. I don't see a lot of point if I could be accessing the content by opening various GUI programs that vastly exceed the graphical effectiveness and interactivity anything extrapolated from CLI could achieve. However, even an SSH client that could intelligently pipeline program output into separate tabs would be a massive improvement to the usability of CLI software which, lets face it, most of us use on a regular basis because we're talking to servers or development machines over SSH.
At any rate, I'll be watching the project to see what goodies come of it and what use I may be able to get out of it. It could be something I can work with in some situations. I'm happy even just seeing that attention is going in some fashion to raising the bar for baseline terminal access. We shouldn't still be so closely tied to standards exactly as they were 40 years ago. - jcaino, on 10/21/2007, -0/+2sudo dpkg --install hotwire_0.599-1~getdeb1_all.deb
shows in system tools - knobtwiddler, on 10/21/2007, -0/+2c=vudei syxxxx
- Aninhumer, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2TBH, I cringe whenever I use a desktop with static windows now, they feel so clunky.
- CarzorStelatis, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1For a supposedly awesome-looking application, the site is amazingly devoid of screenshots.
- dbr_onix, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I'm not sure exactly what this is, but I assume it's basically a front-end to a bunch of command-line tools. Not exactly perfect for you, the "Real admin"(..?), but it might help people learn various commands and how to use them together.
That said, it might be useful for "real admins" if it lets them do their job easier/quicker, but I have the feeling it might be too restrictive. - canton7, on 10/22/2007, -1/+2Youtube link:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsZcC5Gb7o - inactive, on 10/21/2007, -0/+1This is clearly not a finished program, but the concept is very interesting.
- HentaiJeff, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Nice little app, I only wish I could use ssh on it. Any plans to bring that up soon?
- garyl2k, on 02/25/2008, -0/+1sweet!
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http://www.freegifts4you.co.uk - ptFoe, on 10/29/2007, -1/+2But the the tutorial has apt-get so it would be stupid to call it Linux. Because some Fedora noobs will be trying to apt-get in their terminals.
- dbr_onix, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1You could install something like the Xming32 X11 server on Windows, and use X11 forwarding.
- Start Xming on your local machine (Skip that if your using linux, which doesn't need a separate X11 server as your window manager already runs in X11)
- Using the OpenSSH client, ssh me@theremotemachine..com -X -C # -X enables X11 forwarding (uppercase), -C enables compression (Again uppercase - lower case disables the option in both cases)
- If your using PuTTY, enable the "Enable X11 Fowarding" setting (Can't remember exact where it is, probably under the SSH section, under X11 - don't have PuTTY handy to check), and connect regularly
- Then just run the hotwire command, and it should appear.. Not sure how usable it will be, especially over the internet. - HonoredMule, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1I didn't get to finish editing that comment. What I was trying to say was that improvement to CLI interaction that requires server-side software installed doesn't really help when one regularly has to deal with servers, dev boxes, and other systems that for one reason or another shouldn't be running more elaborate software or can/do only support the baseline standards for remote access.
I'd imagine that description encompasses a great many of us who use linux in a work environment or service hosting plan. This is likely the most common reason to be remotely accessing a machine at all, so an improvement to CLI that doesn't work completely remote-client-side doesn't reach nearly so wide an audience as one that does. In particular, it doesn't reach me or help me out any. I realize what I'm describing is a challenging proposition, but I wish Hotwire did do that. - colinwalters, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Someone started looking at an OS X port: http://groups.google.com/group/hotwire-shell/brows ...
As for the web page, see http://hotwire-shell.org - fuckingusername, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1is this the same program, ?
I found this video in German and its looks to cool , but I can't tell what he used, to do this
its a divx http://stage6.divx.com/user/kujin1000/video/176494 ... - colinwalters, on 10/22/2007, -0/+1The original SSH support used Paramiko ( http://www.lag.net/paramiko/ ) a pure Python SSH implementation so it could run on Windows. And yes, the idea is you'd have Hotwire installed on your server, and they would speak XML-RPC over a SSH channel.
- HonoredMule, on 10/22/2007, -1/+1No good. I talk to servers and dev boxes all day...which shouldn't be running X11 at all. The only CLI improvement to baseline interaction is a client-only solution.
- Nahor, on 10/22/2007, -8/+8Ubuntu: It's what vista was supposed to have been.
- sej7278, on 10/22/2007, -1/+1"yum install hotwire" works for me on fedora7. i don't particularly like the program though.
- inactive, on 10/22/2007, -0/+0yey
- inactive, on 10/21/2007, -1/+1yaaay
- colinwalters, on 10/22/2007, -0/+0I didn't see Hotwire in that video, no.
- felch, on 10/21/2007, -1/+1the browsing feature are neat, but things like catting large files, trying 'less', etc are busted/work in an unexpected way. Needs much more work.
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