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- wigren, on 10/06/2008, -5/+58I just hibernated/resumed and then suspended/resumed with no problems. I'm using more or less vanilla Ubuntu 8.04 x64 on an Acer laptop. I don't know what this guy is using but something doesn't seem quite right with this article.
- hwMoD, on 10/06/2008, -2/+39I've been hibernating and suspending to RAM without issues ever since I installed ubuntu, 18 months ago.
This guy is taking his own personal problem, and generalises it to "Linux can now hibernate" as if that's news. - RoboDonut, on 10/06/2008, -1/+35http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi#Criticism
Read the last one, specificially. - cougar618, on 10/06/2008, -0/+20With Fedora on my desktop i couldn't resume/hibernate, but w/ ubuntu it worked right out of the box.
- kd420, on 10/06/2008, -2/+18Yeah, suspend worked fine for me right away. The only problem was that my peripherals didn't work after resuming, but adding one line to a configuration file fixed it instantly. The notebook he's writing about seems really obscure, so expecting no problems is way too optimistic.
- sw3t, on 10/06/2008, -3/+19wtf ? i've used suspend/resume in my laptop for at least 4 years in my laptop using different distros. Hibernate also works of course, but i don't find it usefull. I now use Ubuntu, and resume works out of the box, ate least since dapper drake
- hwMoD, on 10/06/2008, -2/+18You get an operating system that is up do date, not one that was created in 2001.
It is much more secure - there are practically no viruses for linux.
It is free of charge, and free (as in speech).
You are not under a restrictive license.
The vendor cannot stop your computer from working at will (unlike windows).
You can connect hardware without worrying about drivers, without opening annoying "wizards" and without having to restart your computer.
And much more... - insanebrain, on 10/06/2008, -2/+16If you have nothing to say. . then please say nothing.
- linagee, on 10/06/2008, -3/+16XP will die when Microsoft gets tired of supporting it. Linux will not.
- Wargasmic, on 10/06/2008, -2/+13Ubuntu and OpenSuse hibernate perfectly on my Gateway laptop...
- Angostura, on 10/06/2008, -3/+14So it didn't really work quite right, did it?
- 89vision, on 10/06/2008, -4/+15"Has not been my experience AT ALL, on all points."
Was the last distro you tried slackware circa 2001? Most modern distros detect everything just fine. - balliamo, on 10/06/2008, -1/+11I have an acer extensa and I have been using GNU/Linux for years and I never managed to have hibernate working with my Linux mint. I obviously went trough forums and google before I gave up trying.
- hwMoD, on 10/06/2008, -5/+14There are none, it just works.
- dragossh, on 10/06/2008, -0/+9"Most modern distros detect everything just fine."
Not everything. In my case, I don't have drivers for my Lexmark X2530 printer and the webcam isn't working (but I'm running Ubuntu 8.10 beta, so I can't complain about that :)
But yeah, Linux supports most common hardware just fine. - inactive, on 10/06/2008, -1/+10The FBI will be at your door shortly
- colonels1020, on 10/06/2008, -10/+18That's not a hibernating linux laptop, that's my wife!
- Giga, on 10/06/2008, -1/+9Funny, sleep works far better on my Toshiba laptop running Linux (tried Gentoo and Ubuntu) than it does with Vista on the same machine. Vista will randomly wake up in the middle of the night as the RTC was set to trigger a wake so it can either reaquire an expired DHCP lease or synchronise the system clock over the internet, despite having no ethernet cable plugged in and wifi turned off. About half the time it attempts to does so, it forgets to go back to sleep after the failed attempt. I have similar issues with XP on my desktop, but due to the ethernet cable the update attempts actually succeed.
That said, I still have issues using sleep in Linux on my desktop due to the NVIDIA drivers. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. - cheeseplease, on 10/06/2008, -0/+8tbredofsin doesn't own a laptop
- inactive, on 10/06/2008, -2/+10"Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
No really, have you? I swear it works. - balliamo, on 10/06/2008, -4/+12indeed your ignorance is the problem here. I agree
- chuzwuzza, on 10/06/2008, -1/+8Wargasmic, I think he was more commenting on the fact that kd420 said "suspend worked fine for me right away" and then immediately stated that it didn't work for him right away.
- cheeseplease, on 10/06/2008, -3/+9recommend*
Thank you for your intelligent input. - chuzwuzza, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6If I'm using a laptop out and about, I want to be able to just shut the lid, and get back to the world, say if someone needs something from me. Then I want to just open it and carry on from where I left off.
- strangewill, on 10/06/2008, -4/+10Actually what is pathetic is it's going to be 3 days in trying to get Ubuntu on a Sony Vaio laptop, I've been around the main Ubuntu tech support forums for the past couple of days, mainly with issues no one can resolve (issues have been had before, and no one has replied to any of the support requests).
I love Ubuntu, but the whole chant of "online community support" is the biggest bunch of *****, the only time I ever get anything running is when I spend a week finding out how to fix it myself.
I'm tempted to just put XP back on it, even though I want Ubuntu badly, hibernation or not. = - wesball, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6I'm not a linux user. What are the challenges to getting hibernation to work on the platform?
- GawtMilk, on 10/06/2008, -1/+6I made the mistake of using a cracked Vista DVD to upgrade my legit Vista Home version. It came with an ACPI bootloader; so when I go to hibernate it just shuts down. Frustrating to say the least. It's not just about Linux, it's about anything ACPI.
If anyone has an idea to fix this, please respond. - srg13, on 10/06/2008, -1/+6It does hibernate and suspend, just suspend isn't that reliable. RoboDonut commented above the most probable reason:
" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acpi#Criticism
Read the last one, specificially." - tehbored, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5Just dual boot with Windows. I like to play games to, but I prefer Linux for everything else.
- RandaII, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5well for me both suspend and hibernation worked out of the box for fedora.
- sukimashita, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5Got Linux on a Macbook. Suspending all the time without issues.
- mrsteveman1, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5The fact that user experience and functionality can vary this widely between distros, is itself a problem, a larger one than just "hibernation doesn't work" etc.
- Greg2k, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5I have a 5 year old Dell Inspiron 8600 running Ubuntu 8.04 and while both Suspend and Hibernate manage to enter each mode, I cannot resume from either. My screen starts "burning", as if the system were forcing a higher refresh rate on it. I can't CTRL+ALT+F1...F6 either, so it can't be X on it's own otherwise I could enter console mode. So yeah, it doesn't work for me. Both modes would work perfectly on XP.
- vertexoflife, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4It wa smade to only work with Windows:
Wikipedia on ACPI:
A desire on the part of Bill Gates, the then-CEO of Microsoft, one of the ACPI partners, was that ACPI, despite being an open industry specification, be made to operate well only with Windows operating systems. An internal memo from Gates, dated January 24, 1999, presented in the Comes v. Microsoft anti-trust case (Plaintiff's Exhibit 3020),[5] Gates muses on the merits of making ACPI extensions "somehow Windows specific.", continuing to say "If (sic) seems unfortunate if we do this work and get our partners to do the work and the result is that Linux works great without having to do the work." In the same memo, he suggests defining "the APIs so that they work well with NT and not the others, even if they are open." - Cryptecks, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4I have an Acer Extensa as well and with Hardy at least, the only problem I had with it was that when I resumed the computer rebooted itself.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+b ...
This solved things for me, but your hardware may obviously be different. - Culyt, on 10/06/2008, -3/+7Personally I find it more particle to have a machine you can make do what you want, the way you want, Linux can automate tasks like nothing else.
You only need to set up Linux once, then you can just keep it running for years without changes if you want, this works great with Long Term Support in Ubuntu since it has 3years, or Debian which is 1.5 years. If you keep tinkering with it, its because you want to make it do something more. Most Linux installs go without a problem (Suspend works fine on my eeepc).
Learning the shell was a huge improvement for my productivity.
Why spend time categorizing files or cleaning out downloads, just write a script.
For example:
find . -iname "*Family.Guy*" -print0 | xargs -0 -I {} mv {} /mnt/storage2/Family Guy
Then just cut and paste it for every show you get often and put it in one main script (for added bonus use incron to automatically monitor your incoming downloads directory for new content then fire the script), yeh it looks like someone threw up symbols, and it did take me a long time (years) to be able to just write something like that on the fly but once you learn that stuff its bloody useful and well worth it in the long run.
Windows is just as much work for me to setup (although it is more brain dead work). My system needs about 1GB of stuff downloaded after install consisting of service packs, drivers, antivirus, applications. All that stuff you need to track down on the website, get the latest version, in Ubuntu you just 'apt-get install blah blah blah blah' and it tracks it all down and installs it for you. No need to look to see what software has been updated eiter.
☢ - ephemerae, on 10/06/2008, -1/+5I'm a Linux fanboy, I admit it. But XP is pretty much what you gotta be booting if you wanna play some games. But this is more to do with market share than any technical reason.
XP does have plenty of non-***** software. And plenty of ***** software. Let's just assume 90% of everything is crud, regardless of platform. I doubt the good/crud ratios on XP are any higher than on Linux, after all, Linux attracts more professional developers as users. So, there is nothing technical to your this point either.
Everybody knows how to use XP? I'd rather stick my grandma on a Mac or Ubuntu, frankly. At least I know she won't break anything trying to figure it out or get infected with some kinda nastyware. You probably weren't thinking about the clueless majority of users when you said "everybody", right? Expert users regardless of OS tend not to screw it up. For people who have some computer experience, yeah they can probably get around Windows, but again this is because of market share, not because Windows is intrinsically superior.
Not saying that Linux is absolutely superior, of course. I could go for working hibernate and ati drivers. - Sokkratez, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4I just want my screen to reliably stay off when I close my laptop. I always wake up and the stupid thing has turned itself on again.
- niczar, on 10/06/2008, -1/+5On top of that, hibernate doesn't even always work right in Windows, even with proprietary drivers. It's the ACPI hardware that's very buggy, quite often.
- IronChef69, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4As if Windows has it working 100%. Every time I use suspend or hibernate I never know what what's going to happen.
- djgreedo, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3Welcome to the Digg Linux section/front page.
- acero47, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3Not always. My laptop (a cheap Dell Inspiron) has had a lot of problems with hibernating under Ubuntu. It either takes about as long as a normal boot, or it fails completely. In comparison, my XP partition hibernates and resumes in about 10 seconds each way, and fails very infrequently. I've looked into solutions such as TuxOnIce (which dealt with manually recompiling kernels, which obviously is not very user friendly) and Suspend2, but they didn't really work.
As a student moving quickly from class to class and not always having access to a plug, it's a boon to be able to hibernate. It's not a deal breaker, but it makes me much more likely to just use my XP partition.
However, I haven't seen/heard of the solution presented in the article, so I might try that out when I try out Ibex when it's released. - srg13, on 10/07/2008, -0/+3It's the ACPI support of the hardware that isn't reliable, not the software - like it said in the article above, it was designed to work well only on Windows...
- linagee, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3You'd think they would at least turn off the LCD backlight when the lid closes in BIOS. I can't ever see a reason when the lid detector = closed and the backlight needs to be on.
- regeya, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3"No adware...lol. You only get adware on Windows if you install it."
Uh-huh...or if the OEM ships the computer with it, and only provides a "rescue CD" or, worse, "rescue partition" to restore from, complete with crapware. - strangeman, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3Suspend not working is a lie. If you buy a preconfigured Linux-PC/Laptop it will work out of the box. If you do it yourself you'll just have to follow one rule: make your swap-partition twice as large as your RAM. Period. 90% of all hibernation problems are caused by undersized swap partitions, the other 10% are faulty graphics drivers by the manufacturers (not there if you used the OSS drivers). But the graphics drivers of ATi, NVidia and Intel have been working very well for quite some time now (regarding hibernation), so this article is at least one or two years late.
- nossifer, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3a lot of your stuff is biased. but, so is mine.... i switeched from XP years ago because i got tired of formating my computer every 6 months due to degraded performance.
1. users install virus / adaware... so it is their fault. true. it is also the fault of the OS for being so easy to accept them. dont go on the ocean with a paper boat then blame the skipper for failing to ride the waves properly.
2. it is easier to install / COMPLETELY uninstall on tux.
sudo apt-get install firefox. (done)
sudo apt-get remove firefox --purge (completely removed... do that on XP)
3. xp updates? really. not even worth a comment.
4. true... blueray is Vista only. WMA = windows, but you can (soon) buy a licence from ubuntu. the people who write these codecs are all geeks. ie. linux users.
5. anti-virus is not transparant, and on tux it is not needed. why do you need a service running in the background 24/7 which is behind the curve by nature.
6. xp just works. for about 2 months. if xp was as bulletproof as tux, i would still be an XP user.
7. the odd card doesnt work on tux? true. 99% work right out of the box with tux? true. XP needs a drivers CD for every single thing you install? true. i would call that one a tie because of the convience of tux for what does work, and the completeness but pain-in-the-assedness of xp. - regeya, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3I've not been able to for a while on my desktop machine...of course, that's not Ubuntu's fault, as I set up the Gentoo zen2 kernel. Oddly, on my wife's laptop, suspend to disk started working exactly right after I switched her to a zen2 kernel. Actually it seems to have fixed one issue and caused many others on my amd64 machine but it made her laptop work perfectly. Hm. Life ain't fair.
I'm sure it's a minor misconfiguration. - GawtMilk, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3I never uploaded anything. I never downloaded anything. I got the DVD from a friend, thinking it was legit. The cracked version's authentication didn't work, and I paid like $199 USD to get the last-ditch effort by Microsoft that made the copy legal. What are they going to do when they come to my house?
Copyright law is such a mess.
The point is, now that I've authenticated it, it is a legal version, but there is still a boot loader. - freonchill, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3suspend and hibernate has worked on my laptops since ubuntu 7.10
dell inspiron 8500 (p3 - 1ghz)
dell inspiron 1150 (p4m- 2.8ghz) -
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