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- consonance, on 07/10/2009, -10/+44Why would I install a version of Linux that isn't produced by Microsoft? Ubuntu is far better in this way.
- TheWindBlows, on 07/10/2009, -0/+28It's a joke Dell had a typo on their website. They got rid of it though.
- Memnochxx, on 07/11/2009, -4/+31What a ***** "hands on" article.
- wtfpwned98, on 07/11/2009, -0/+19Just install the latest version of Debian stable, add unstable to your sources.list, then update and dist-upgrade.
Ubuntu and Mint aren't forks...they're completely dependent on Debian, and they'll remain dependent because it would take a company bigger than Microsoft to scale up to what Debian does with its army of package maintainers and testers.
Why does that matter? Because if you want a rolling update system you'll have better luck sticking closer to the source and not getting everything filtered through a middle man (or two middle men, in Mint's case).
Debian's biggest weakness is actually a strength: no real marketing department, so the user base are mostly the type of people who know how to contribute to making the thing great by filing bug reports, etc. Btw, Debian actually became really easy to install right around the time Ubuntu hit the scene and made sure that Debian would never see many new-to-Linux users ever again. - Chairboy, on 07/11/2009, -2/+20On... what? Your sentence is intriguing. It leaves me wanting more and trembling on the edge of my seat.
Please, end my suspense! - BinaryFragger, on 07/10/2009, -0/+14See this and you'll get the joke:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_is_A_Microsoft_P ... - the8thbit, on 07/11/2009, -1/+12That's because Canotical actually DOES EVERYTHING. Don't get me wrong, I love Mint and I use it as my primary distro, but Mint is still mostly just the lastest Ubuntu release with a few enhancements and a ton of codecs.
It's great, it's just that Canotical still does most of the work.
Speaking of which, I wonder how the Mint team is going to deal with Gnome 4? That'll be interesting. - MattBD, on 07/10/2009, -0/+11No - Tuxradar is a website maintained by the authors of the popular Linux Format magazine - it's a much better read than the somewhat stuffy Linux Magazine, and is worth every penny!
- PsychoBrat, on 07/11/2009, -0/+10You say "doesn't matter which distro". Oh, good. Then tell us which one (exactly) you had trouble with, your exact laptop model, and we'll suggest a distro that should work fine for you.
And your argument can be used equally against Windows. I've had plenty of hardware that works much better out of the box on Linux-based systems than on Windows. No hunting around on horribly designed manufacturer's websites for drivers just to get the basics working, either.
Windows wouldn't get away with these flaws any more than any other operating system if it didn't come pre-installed on so many machines. - DougVitale, on 07/10/2009, -3/+13For KDE users, the final release of Mint 7 KDE (KDE v4.2.4) is due out in a few weeks. Currently it's in RC status.
http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_gloria_kde.php
Mint 7 KDE is going to be the best ever distro based on KDE 4.x, so get ready and hang on to your hats. - TheDatabit, on 07/11/2009, -0/+10nope even tried sudo :(
databit@databit-laptop:~$ make pancakes
make: *** No rule to make target `pancakes'. Stop.
databit@databit-laptop:~$ sudo make pancakes
[sudo] password for databit:
make: *** No rule to make target `pancakes'. Stop.
databit@databit-laptop:~$ - TheDatabit, on 07/11/2009, -1/+11Typically yes.
With each update I find more hardware is more fully supported. Specifically with wireless cards and video cards. Personally I can configure/install packages and such to get my stuff working, if it's possible. But when recommending it to a friend it's nice when they can just download from ubuntu.com, boot up and be good. With 6 months release cycles that becomes more and more likely. - atm259, on 07/11/2009, -0/+8I've been using Linux Mint since Elyssa. I love it, my favorite distribution.
- Lewie, on 07/11/2009, -1/+9Actually, I'm just gonna install Mint; it sounds like the lazy-man's linux.
- MtheoryX, on 07/10/2009, -4/+12There has never been a more appropriate time for this....
WHOOOOSH!!!! - TheDatabit, on 07/11/2009, -1/+8Was coming here to say the same thing. How is this remotely a "hands on" review? I generally expect hands on reviews to contain..um..I dunno..a hands on review maybe?
- PsychoBrat, on 07/11/2009, -0/+6An easy typo to make. The keys are like right next to each other.
- marx2k, on 07/11/2009, -0/+6I dunno man, you should've seen the godzilla I flushed today
- pokobunt, on 07/11/2009, -0/+5Where did you hear that it only pays attention to security? What makes its software weak or not good? I've been able to sync my media devices (ipod, zune) without problems; When I plug my media devices in, the media player shows up automatically. Linux is actually better for development. When was the last time you used Linux? 1991? Linux takes up less resources and has better performance. You're either a Microsoft fanboy or just too lazy to Google for "Linux apps".
- smotpoker, on 07/11/2009, -1/+6It's not a thing about "Linux" in general, just certain distributions and the kernel. Short release cycles on the kernel are prudent for the reasons TheDatabit mentioned plus people have the option to add newer, more advanced features asap. If you don't like shorter release cycles you can always switch distributions but I don't think you'll have much luck finding distro maintainers who are as lazy/incompetent as MS so the longest release cycles you're likely to find is about 2 years (give or take).
- Lewie, on 07/11/2009, -0/+5Or Mandriva, openSUSE, openSolaris, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Gentoo, CentOS, Slackware........
- marx2k, on 07/11/2009, -2/+62 things about Mint/Ubuntu from a user who has half of his boxes on Mint and the other half on Arch:
1. Why the hell can't Ubuntu/Mint have a rolling update system instead of 6-month major version releases? Having to do this crap every 6 months is really annoying.
2. Only on the .28 version of the kernel? Really? - rockon4life45, on 07/11/2009, -6/+10It's interesting how much Ubuntu gets worshipped but Linux Mint always seems to improve on.
- fiveapples, on 07/11/2009, -0/+4Had the same problem with mint on my hp laptop. Ubuntu picked it up without problems though. It's not the driver actually but something you need to set in the sound system config files.
- warp99, on 07/12/2009, -0/+4@Mothlem
"can you use an media player that has your music library and able to sync your zune with this media player ?"
Why don't you ask Microsoft to produce a compatible driver since it's their equipment? - MonkeyFarts, on 07/12/2009, -0/+3"When was the last time you used Linux? 1991?"
Somehow, I get the impression that this guy wasn't even born yet by 1991. At the very least, if I'm wrong, he has the mentality of somebody who was born around 2001, and on top of that, is retarded. - melat0nin, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Not sure if you're writing 'Canotical' as a subtle dig or not...
- inactive, on 07/11/2009, -2/+5I've dabbled with Linux, and found Mint to be easier right outta the box than Ubuntu, had a better help/user guide as well, and I liked how it's updates are community rated on scale of 1-5 irt to stability.
And I understand it's founder has fully apologized for his asinine decision to politicize it, BTW - d3matt, on 07/11/2009, -1/+4soon, you'll be able to do in place updates... that'll be solid gold. Being able to dist-upgrade the distro in place
- PsychoBrat, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3I'm sure that some of them genuinely have had problems. Every OS has problems -- it would be unrealistic to expect everyone's experience to be perfect.
That said, does anyone remember who conducted that investigation that showed up a few big companies that were paying people to write vague "it didn't work for me" stories around the net? - Ellipsys, on 07/11/2009, -0/+3Depends what you want to do with it and your skill/time commitment. Ubuntu is based off of debian, and mint is based off Ubuntu, so you have the nice Apt system there. Ubuntu has a larger community and more variants. Mint has more desktop-friendly stuff and "just works" compatibility. I think it may be one version behind on the x64 however.
Fedora is RPM based and while I hear they've been getting better I've remembered dependency hell from years ago, so I've kept away from RPM style distros.
Arch is a completely different beast, being something like taking the best parts of gentoo, slackware, and debian. You have to know what you're doing, you don't need to compile everything, but you do need to build your system from scratch. If you're not cool starting with the CLI, forget it. Pacman is a nice dependency-resolving package manager, and Arch is always on a rolling release bleeding edge cycle so you don't have to wait 6 months if one update after Ubuntu's release the kernal starts supporting your XXXX. I'm building an Arch system currently, but as a relative noob, it takes some time. - wtfpwned98, on 07/11/2009, -1/+3If you don't know why you would choose one over another, stick with Ubuntu...you'll fit right in. I would say Mint, but there's no reason for Mint to even exist. Anything they could ever contribute, in terms of application development, could have just been contributed to Ubuntu, or Debian for that matter.
Ubuntu's greatest contribution to Linux has been polishing Debian unstable up, every six months, for people who are installing Linux and want to start with the latest packages and couldn't manage to convert a system from Debian stable to unstable (which is arguably more stable than Ubuntu), and of course marketing it. - Canadian0207, on 07/11/2009, -1/+3you still can't get over the fact it was a programming mistake on Dell's part?
- d3matt, on 07/11/2009, -1/+3but you're missing the fact that Mint is really a satire of Ubuntu... unwilling to stand on it's own, it has to leech off debian.
</sarcasm> - wtfpwned98, on 07/11/2009, -0/+2It's for Mint's target audience. Everything associated with this "project" is for our entertainment.
- LikwidSteel, on 07/11/2009, -0/+2Try installing the versions earlier than what it came with. I have never had success out of the box with new hardware on an old OS. It just doesn't happen with prebuilts. Custom PCs are never really a problem, but hp/Compaq seem to use some odd hardware that doesn't like to have driver support on older versions of Windows. Ubuntu was always fine with my audio though. But I do see how it's a problem, just never personally.
- d3matt, on 07/11/2009, -0/+2It is going to do it! Linux for the MASSES!
2009 is the year of Linux!
FTFY - warp99, on 07/12/2009, -0/+2You know this is a troll since you wouldn't need to install Ubuntu in order to test the audio, you only need to boot the LiveCD.
Have an HP 6910p with Ubuntu 9.04. Everything works including the wireless, audio, and suspend/resume. Not a major feat for an operating system except for one thing, this is with an unmodified LiveUSB pendrive. - Frostek, on 07/11/2009, -1/+3Notice how most of these people never say which model they have.
Because they know a 10 second Google would no doubt prove them wrong.
I have an HP 6730b laptop. Works fine with Linux, ta very much. - inactive, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1 I used fedora year before last and dependency hell never got me...Klikit,now THERE was some serious dependency hell!!!!!
- inactive, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1Ah,they are all just as easy to customize!
He should try Mepis and Cosmosis,also easy..And then there is Easy Peasy...And the list goes on and on. - inactive, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1Still plan to try straight Debian someday...
- Canadian0207, on 07/11/2009, -0/+1http://www.thinkgos.com/gos/index.html
- spydon, on 07/22/2009, -0/+1sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
It's so much work :( - javaroast, on 07/11/2009, -0/+16 month release cycle is only necessary for those looking to stay cutting edge. If you prefer stability over having the latest greatest you can choose a LTR version for distros like Ubuntu, or choose a distro like Centos for Redhat users. Marx2k also explains that in distros like Arch you can just keep your system current as a feature of the distro.
- the8thbit, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1It's more of a typo.
- inactive, on 07/12/2009, -0/+1 What death gasps?
Are you a softie? - MonkeyFarts, on 07/13/2009, -0/+1Yeah, I'm going to stick to my point that you're a moron. You're doing an excellent job proving it.
- Canadian0207, on 07/11/2009, -1/+2for those that are digging you down..
WOOOOOSH - AzureRise, on 07/13/2009, -0/+1I've been thinking about using mint. Ubuntu 9.04 was a big disappointment for me. So many little changes that just annoyed me. Like asking me if I was sure to shut down. No, I just clicked the top right drop down menu and went to shutdown for no reason. Go ahead and wait 60 seconds or for an extra click before doing what I told you to do. Or how it only checks for updates 4 days a month instead of every day. Flash was also acting upand there were some major stability issues. When I install Windows there's so much crap I have to do. Install Firefox, ccleaner, anti-virus etc. What I liked about Ubuntu is a fresh install was ready to go. That's no longer the case. Now I have to tweak it a bit after installing so it doesn't annoy the crap out of me.
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