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- baalzebub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+31Konqueror is my favorite file manager when i need a GUI file manager...
- justinjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+27Yeah, but unlike Explorer in Windows, if Konqueror crashes, only that process dies as opposed to the entire GUI. Personally, I think the KDE team got what Microsoft wanted to do, right.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24NO, i dont want your damn cookies!
- justinjacobs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I use Konqueror as my primary web and file browser. Everything feels so integrated. Not to mention it's much more responsive than Firefox.
- MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I hope the parent doesn't mind my answering for him.
By "responsive" he almost certainly means that its gui responds more quickly to user input. I've found that Konqueror renders more quickly as well, in addition to using *far* less memory.
Integration isn't bad. The bundling of internet explorer was only "bad" because of the monopoly power that Microsoft wielded in doing so. Konqueror is more integrated with KDE and it's a good thing: it takes advantage of KDE-centric technologies, like kioslaves; it respects KDE settings; it uses native widgets for that platform; and it uses libraries that you've already loaded by using that desktop environment.
It's also the default file manager for that desktop environment, so it's there for pretty much anything. - jdoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13if you use KDE, konq is the way to go
- dc2447, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Konq doesn't display some pages because pages aren't written with valid html. Some people seem to think that it is the web browsers job to help render broken html (it looks OK in IE syndrome).
I like the web browser, not enough to ditch firefox but I like it.
The file manager however is great. Support for remote file systems over samaba, webdav, SSH is exellent. - jdoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11The kio slave addons in konq are freakin' sweet. I love browsing files on a remote machine via a simple ssh login.
- gweedo767, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Baddox: integration doesn't have to cause one thing to bring another down. One great example of this with KDE/Konq is its use of KIOSlaves. Any KIOSlave that KDE has support for, Konq can open via. Want to read your digital camera? Fine, there is a KIOSlave for that. What about that WebDav folder out on that server somewhere? Fine, KIOSlave for that. What about a local file? That is good too. All the while, this doesn't cause a konq process going nuts to bring all of KDE down. Integration isn't always about attaching at a level where they are inseparable (IE + Windows), sometimes it is just about sharing technology and using the wheel rather than re-inventing it.
- rubikfreak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I love Konqueror too! It just so integrated with KDE, like the article suggests.
- noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Evolution is not a web browser.
- ajcates, on 01/20/2009, -0/+8its not just konq its the way kde is meant to be used if you use nothing but kde apps, you aren't going to take up much memory because all of them use the same libraries, that is why i love working in pure kde, because the entire thing is very responsive and fast.
- marnaq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Firefox on KHTML - kinky fork?
- noseeme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I hate how so many sites restrict or limit your access when they detect the Konqueror user agent (Gmail - mail.google.com for example). However, when you tell Konqueror to disguise itself as Firefox 1.5 or MSIE 6, everything works perfectly, and nothing even ends up being defective.
The Internet is not as Konqueror friendly as I would like, and it's not Konquerors fault. - DrBob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Coming with KDE4, I believe. (As soon as Qt and the other KDE libs are ported to Windows.)
- LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The problem with the KIO Slaves is that they're usually poorly documented so most people don't even notice them. For instance, it was months before I was aware of the audiocd slave because my Debian install didn't have any sort of shortcut to it. Now, I can't imagine life without it.
But there are all sorts of interesting possibilities by treating everything as a pipe, such as KIO Zen and KIO Ipod for futzing with portable music players and a GCF browser for dipping into game files. - M4v3R, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Digg should be updated to work good under Konqueror... It nearly does, but story titles are not correctly placed and part of first letter is hidden under yellow box with diggs number.
- MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Since Baddox has been told of the technical reasons Konqueror's integration isn't bad, let me respond to his other claim:
"[Integration] often removes the ever-important element of Choice from the user."
Choice is never removed, and I'm not sure where you'd get an idea like that. You have - oh - a billion or so browsers to choose from in KDE. Integration with Konqueror doesn't stop you from using Firefox, Epiphany, Galeon, lynx, IE under wine, Opera, or Seamonkey. You just won't get any of the benefits of using Konqueror inside KDE, which are many.
(Mozilla has taken some effort to integrate Firefox with Gnome. Is this bad?)
How is having an app that takes advantage of its environment removing choice from the user? Should KDE and Gnome not have any native apps? - DarkStalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5The current version is 3.5.4.. and I've never seen the problem you've talked about or run into very many javascript errors either.
- mindtrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I wish there were a Windows version of Konqueror.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'd like a version of Konqueror for windows, even if I just use it for testing pages. Opera renders pretty close though I suppose. Cygwin isn't really a very pleasant option.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6too bad konqueror has some troubles with javascript
ie: responseXML does not work
protocol javascript: not supported
and so on.
anyway is very fast and the rendering engine is sweet - stepnet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I'm sorry, but:
"Konqueror also supports viewing files inline, so you can open PDFs, JPEGs, GIFs, PNGs, and other image files, browse ISO images as a local filesystem, and more. If a filetype isn't supported, Konq usually "knows" how to handle the filetype and will pass the file off to the appropriate handler."
That is the basics of any browser/filemanager, every single one I've used has been able to view images, and pass files to a selected handler.
Konquerer is a great file browser, but for it's layout and relative simplicity - not for doing the same thing as every other file (or web) browser on the planet. - LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@H080J03
"i think its a bad thing tho because that is going to change a lot of peoples minds when they find out kde can run on windows, so they wont install that partition of ubuntu or whatever, its just gonna take alot of potential Linux users"
In one fashion, I agree, but on the other, I disagree.
I agree on the same principle that I disagree about the existence of software like Cedega. Software companies, such as Valve, have actually gone and assisted Transgaming in the development and debugging of Cedega to work with Half-Life 2 (and Steam), with less than perfect results (you can see the influence of Steam from the introduction of Point2Play). Basically, Valve has taken the stance that they'd rather non-Windows users run an emulator instead of creating a true port of the game.
Is this bad? Yes. Without going into the history of the Apple port of Half-Life, Valve did this in an effort to keep profits up. They pay very little or nothing at all to the Cedega team as opposed to paying hundreds, if not thousands, worth of man-hours of development time for a true port. This turns into a self feeding cycle where (not) emulators like Cedega are seen as a way for Windows game developers to "port" their games to Linux. This in turn slows down or stalls true gaming development on the Linux platform.
Despite Linux' power existing as a server or server-like OS. True acceptance comes from the masses, those people who don't even know (or care) what a server is much less how to spell it. All they're interested in is buying any app they choose at Wallmart and running it on their PoS computer running their infected Windows OS. If they have to go out and fuss with some sort of emulator layer (never mind the performance hit this always entails), they're not going to do it.
The secret to true acceptance is to make Linux as attractive as possible to the masses in order to properly attract more development time to improving the underlying code for playing games which will also create more product on the shelves with the Penguin logo. The Linux community is certainly trying with offerings like Linspire and Ubuntu, but we're a long way from having an excellent self feeding cycle and Cedega/Transgaming stand in the way from accomplishing that.
However... after all that typing, I almost forgot my other point.
I disagree in a way. The more applications that can run, more or less, natively on Windows means it will prepare people for a final change over for when they do decide. You have to have a very certain mind set to drop an operating system you know so well and love. For many people it's a security blanket. If you can patch the holes in that security blanket or stitch another blanket onto it, it makes the transition that much less painful and easier. This is what I think KDE is trying to do. Millions of people are not willing to even look at Linux. However, if they download KDE and by chance they happen to be browsing the Internet and see KDE in the Linux environment, it won't look so alien to them.
For me, it was the insane cost of finally upgrading from Win98 to WinXP. Money I'd much rather put towards new hardware.
Holy crap, I didn't realize how long this is. Oh well. - Sheco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This kind of Integration means they only have to maintain one branch of a package when it comes to dealing with doing similar tasks, although I don't really see how similar is file management to web browsing, I'd say it would be ok for the file manager to handle FTP (and similar) connections.... it could easily implement a widget using the gecko renderer, because html rendering capabilities are not really needed in a file manager... or are they?
- vitriolix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Konqueror also has a handy feature for navigating from the keyboard, rather than using the mouse. When browsing, just press the Ctrl key, and Konqueror will pop up yellow squares next to each link on the current page with a number or letter. Instead of having to click the link, just press the associated letter or number on your keyboard to follow that link. This feature is really useful, but not quite perfect -- Konqueror sometimes ignores links, and if a bunch of links are grouped closely together, the squares can overlap to the point where you won't be able to see the letter or number for each link."
you can do the same using two different Firefox extensions:
Hit-a-hint -- http://users.tkk.fi/~psillanp/hah_hp/
Mouseless Browsing -- http://www.rudolf-noe.de/MouselessBrowsing.htm
Mouseless Browsing in particular works really well in conjunction with Dragonnaturally speaking. more info on that here:
http://mefre.blogspot.com/ - atralyx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3For those who dont know , yes Konqueror started before forefox was developed
Yes it has been proven that KHTML is quicker and lighter than ff/gecko
Yes safari was made from konqueror,specificlly the rendering engine KHTML
which was forked to webkit which is now in the process of being ported back to konqueror
And yes there is a port of webkit to windows , webkit in which safari uses.
www.getswift.org
its alpha so its still buggy but yes it is essentually safari for windows - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@DarkStalker
i'm a lover a supporter and a user of kde, so, i'm not arguing against kde, I've tried several times to have a responseXML working with konqueror. never been able to.
btw: ie, safari, opera, firefox, mozilla work smoothly with the same script - motang, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like Konqueror because of KHTML. But prefer Firefox.
- Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@MrTranscendence, what you say is true, but there is a lot more.
The reason why explorer.exe and IE integration was bad is because they are almost one and the same: explorer.exe can access IE functions and IE can access explorer.exe functions. They are sort of "fused" together.
Konqueror avoids this by being modular. There is a web browsing module, a file manager module, and many others. Each of these are separate, but can access Konqueror functions. The web browser function cannot access the file manager module and vice versa. - atralyx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3For those who dont know , yes Konqueror started before forefox was developed
Yes it has been proven that KHTML is quicker and lighter than ff/gecko
Yes safari was made from konqueror,specificlly the rendering engine KHTML
which was forked to webkit which is now in the process of being ported back to konqueror
And yes there is a port of webkit to windows , webkit in which safari uses.
www.getswift.org
its alpha so its still buggy but yes it is essentually safari for windows - mbthompson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Sweet, about time someone posted something about the best file browser in the world! Duggadug diggified!
- usergentoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I myself enjoy Konqueror and done so since the late 90's. I find it much better then Firefox or Opera. If you want more speed you can optimize it by building it from source.
- cobweb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the idea is that every developer's idea of the perfect window manager is different. I'm sure all the developers working on Gnome/KDE/Blackbox/whatever are trying to make as good a WM as they can, they just all have different goals.
- tilleyrw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2On the subject of Browser Compatibility: The Konqueror developers should begin a wiki where, as they are encountered, everything that Firefox can do but Konqueror cannot is listed. They are then corrected. Firefox is based off of Mozilla code (OSS) and so everything Firefox can do is easily transferred to Konqueror.
- Me1on, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Konqueror is my new favorite browser. For some reason, Firefox always crashes on me, but Konqueror has always been very stable.
Here's three cool things you can do in Konqueror that the article didn't mention:
1) Mouse Gestures. I've always liked mouse gestures in Opera and Firefox (through an extension), and Konqueror also has them. Just go Kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Input Actions and uncheck the "Disable Konqueror Gestures" checkbox. You can also add new gestures and edit current ones.
2) Built-in Konsole. You can assign a keyboard shortcut to show Konsole (Settings -> Configure Shortcuts; default is F8 on Kubuntu).
3) Search-as-you-type. I missed the searchbar from Firefox, but I just discovered a search-as-you-type feature in Konqueror. Just assign a keyboard shortcut for it (the shortcut is '/' in Kubuntu). - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Trident? Yes and in fact a bit better as far as all of the UNBELIEVABLE range of features which the Gecko engine still has a few (and I mean a few) problems with. Those who dismiss Max as just another IE shell (yawn) have not used it. Maxthon was the work of the proverbial lone geek sweating in the garage. FF is primitive compared to Max 1.5.6 and when 2.0 is finally released....fuggetaboutit.
- Jacob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I use gnome and honestly every time I use konqueror on kde I just don't like it there is something about how it acts I don't like, I find myself using firefox for the internet and cringing when I'm using it as a file browser. No themes helped I guess I just like nautilus/firefox too much.
- energeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Konqi is awesome and so fast yet light on memory. The only reason its not my full time browser is because i have got so used to firefox. if only konqueror gets really good in KDE4 and has popular extension support i can finish the switch
PS:It is possible to use the AJAX version of gmail with konqueror, when it redirects to plain view just click on the top link which sends you to the standard view. Except for a few missed clicks sometimes, Konqueror handles gmail quite well - ajcates, on 01/20/2009, -0/+1@LiquidPenguin- ok i see your point now, if windows users like kde, there going to want more Linux apps and stuff, this will only work if there is very little bugs and stuff, because users will see how great konq is, and other programs, it is great that its getting ported
- MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Why would you run Konqueror on OS X when you have Safari? I don't mean it as a snotty Mac user remark... Safari is based on Konqueror's code, with a lot of fixes included."
Shrug. Mainly 'cause you can. It's nice being able to type "vnc://..." into the address bar. I'd have to guess that the primary reason for running Konqueror on OS X would be if you're running KDE, for whatever reason.
Or maybe you have some beef against Safari; I don't particularly like it, myself. (OmniWeb!) - subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Used Konq 3.3 as #1 browser for around six months but gradually shifted to Opera/Linux and have seen no reason to change. But that article and these (positive) posts are intriguing.
Since we are comparing browsers in this thread I've tried FF 1.07 to1.5 but found them all overrated and am still mystefied by the religious zeal of the FF crew. I keep good old Moz 1.7.8 on one of these LAN Linux units and it is just fine for routine browsing etc.
Maxthon also runs on the Gecko engine and if they ever developed a Linux version I would never even THINK of using a different browser......Maxthon is probably the main reason I have not migrated entirely away from XP. - requiem18th, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@stepnet
Yes but thanks to kparts konqueror can not only display images and music, it can embed your favorite image viewer/mediaplayer, provided your favorite viewer or player has a kpart of course.
BTW, diggers, no love for Krusader?
http://krusader.sourceforge.net - casted, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1This page renders perfectly for me. Using KDE 3.5.4
- MrTranscendence, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I've run Konqueror under Windows with Cygwin, but it's - um - pretty damned awful. Still, it's there if you're dedicated.
The situation's better on OS X. There are somewhat broken OS X-native builds of Konqueror; but you can always run the real thing under X11 if you want. You can even run KDE in its entirety overtop the OS X graphical shell (or skip it and use X11 with your choice of desktop environment, but I haven't done this. KDE is better than Gnome on OS X atm). - colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"The situation's better on OS X."
Why would you run Konqueror on OS X when you have Safari? I don't mean it as a snotty Mac user remark... Safari is based on Konqueror's code, with a lot of fixes included. - spafbnerf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Uhm, http://www.maxthon.com would have you believe they use Internet Explorer's rendering engine.
- Kragnerac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"FF is primitive compared to Max 1.5.6" Not when it comes to web standards.
- CharlesDarwin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1There are never any high quality linux/unix related stories on digg. *****, at least the article isn't about using Konqueror on Ubuntu...
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