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- billyoneal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Well....... if they delivered valid html and css then IE would ***** up thier page....
- abigar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15You can always search for it at google
- coyotejones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13The Eclipse Foundation is a non-profit consortium of companies and organizations which concentrate on Eclipse and Eclipse-related development. It doesn't make sense for Google to purchase them.
- skipunk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The most notable thing they do is oversee the development of the Eclipse IDE, that is most popular for java development, but because of its plugin architecture, it has been extended for C/C++, Ruby, python, php development. Also, the Eclipse framework itself can be stripped of all IDE related stuff and used as a framework to develop java desktop applications.
So the eclipse foundation looks after the above, as well as other related technologies, such as the Eclipse Modelling Framework, the Graphical Editing Framework, and some other cool upcoming projects. Check out http://www.eclipse.org/org/ for more info. - milo77, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5One of the more important things to realize about eclipse is that it is designed to force innovation. It started as a project within IBM to standardize all the IDEs, because IBM had a bunch of people running around wasting effort re-implementing the same thing over and over again. It made it difficult to create an application that had any real innovations because it required such an enormous chunk of work just to get the basic IDE stuff people expect. Then IBM decided that they could drive down their costs further still by convincing others in the industry to adopt the platform. So, they open sourced it. Everyone in the community shares in the cost of developing/maintaining the eclipse technology stack, and in return they can each build upon it. This is the reason for eclipse plug-ins, and why every major eclipse project is specifically designed to be extended. With everyone sharing in the costs of the platform it means they can better focus their respective resources on innovative and differentiating features. It is a pretty convincing strategy, winning over IDE competitors from BEA (competitor to IBM) to Borland.
- nullity, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4A little off topic:
Are there any good noncommercial WYSIWG html plugins for Eclipse yet?
If not, then someone should start one, perhaps using the new standalone Composer code from Mozilla as a basis.
Eclipse is the greatest thing since sliced bread. - sbrown123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2>it's great, unfortunate it's java though, on ubuntu java doesn't use the sun java runtime by defaul
Sun's Java is GPL now, and I think Ubuntu devs have already stated they will start putting it in the future distros. - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2its a foundation overseeing developement of some java framework of the same name
and a few companies like Intel(as in Intel Pentium's ) Hewlett Packerd Also known as HP (the same company that may have made your printer or computer) and others are joint in the foundation - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Or, you know, you could learn how to write (X)HTML and CSS. It's really not that hard, now that you don't have to muck around with tables anymore...
- Ademan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I've used eclipse for a long time, it's great, unfortunate it's java though, on ubuntu java doesn't use the sun java runtime by default, which is far faster than the default solution. It's easy to remedy, but untill you do it's slow as piss and i'm sure that drives at least a few developers away from it, I know it drove me away, until I found out the cause of the slowness. It's still a memory hog, but at least it's fast.
- softsky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Eclipse is really nice and easy IDE to work with. We use Eclipse in our company for Java development (however, we tried a couple of other products incl. IntelliJ IDEA, JBuilder), but only Eclipse offers great number of mature plugins for almost any technology you could use in your projects.Each IDE has its pros and cons. For instance, IDEA is also nice tool, with powerful re-factoring, but IDEA is SWING application, and some places in it are really unsuitable. Eclipse is based on Eclipse platform (this means that other apps which use Eclipse platform are almost similar and that's pretty easy to learn how to use them). I think that this is the reason Google stacked on Eclipse, rather then buying IntelliJ company ;) Hope guys at Google knows what they are doing.
- SniperSlap, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I've never been a fan of eclipse. You only have to see IBM's Rational Software Architect program to realize how much of a pig eclipse is. Part of my problem with eclipse is that given all of IBM's and others' attemps to do something with it, it has earned a very dubious identity.
The Eclipse IDE encapsulates so many different ideas between writing a program that uses an MDI, writing a plugin to work with another program, a runtime-bound full fledged IDE, a model driven development IDE, or a tiny little script editor tucked inside of a program... The identity crisis is more unappealing to me.
The biggest problem for me is the amount of overhead it requires. That and it's ugly as hell. I've been using NetBeans and I'm happy as a clam. For a Java-based IDE, it is VERY fast and offers much better responsiveness and quality. I'm kind of upset that Google has looked over NetBeans.
May we also remember that IBM is sort of distancing themselves from Eclipse. - maderation, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Eclipse has come a long way from its very shaky start. Now my shop is doing all its development (java) using eclipse. We used to work with intellij which is a really good ide, but its not free.
Having said that, its great google has joined. This should make development of java ajaxy apps easier. - drag, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0So does this make Eclipse a more 'l33t' IDE then Microsoft Visual?
I've heard that Eclispe has pretty much destroyed the commercial IDE market for smaller players. Also that people get the mistaken first impression of it because it's something like a 'IDE framework' rather then a IDE in it's own right.
Something like that. - nevetS, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I caught coyotejones' comment, but can someone post a more basic summary of what the Eclipse Foundation is? Or maybe some examples of things they have put together?
- apotropaic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5JOINS?! Not buys?!
- trajano, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2The next thing we should get is Apache joining Eclipse or vice versa.
- rslc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Eclipse really turn me off for its sluggishness.
Being in the C/C++ and embedded community,
I dare say it ain't going anywhere here,
even though it had gotten support from various embedded vendors.
If u are a C/C++ developer, watch out for the new and upcoming Code::Block.
For web applications development, perhaps its more popular. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3hahaha abigar.
- oner, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Take that any other sdk ever!
- gd007, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1your search will become cheaper!
- MrDiggDugg, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Um... can somebody go to www.eclipse.org and see for themselves?
- Scruffydan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1bury
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0Seems like a lot of people care.........
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0And the award for least amount of comments goes to...
- MrDiggDugg, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0bury
- MrDiggDugg, on 10/12/2007, -11/+0Did providing that information make you feel important in the scheme of things?
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -17/+5Already a funding source of many Linux projects and proud supporter of
OpenDocument format (among other things)... now let's see if Google can
tidy up and deliver valid HTML instead of quick and dirty mess... :-) - lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2Nothing of interest except google eating up our open source softwares. Sure hope we can still get our hands on the source. Would hate to start seeing open source code mysteriously disappearing form the internet.
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