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- ptFoe, on 02/19/2008, -8/+145The word intoxicated is a play on the word Wine, no need to get hysterical over it.
This is a smart move by Google, this a cheap solution to get Windows users that want to swap but to Linux but because of certain applications won't.
If these popular applications can be run on Linux then the Linux user base will swell. To the point where it would commercially viable for the software companies to release native versions of their product. Linux needs to get around 8% of the desktop share in the western world, for software companies to take note.
Linux enthusiasts wrongly expect software companies to spread their OS, they are in the business of making software not promoting OSs.
The lack of CMYK support in Gimp is ridiculous when people have been complaining out it for sometime. - sirhomer, on 02/19/2008, -1/+83Intoxicate is a pun on wine as a drink. Excessive use of wine intoxicates it's user.
- whittmadden, on 02/19/2008, -1/+63I'm a linux user, and quite happy to hear news that Google is taking part in making Windows apps, work in linux. Would I prefer to see native apps? Yes I would, but I will not complain. I think Photoshop is a fantastic app, and the fact that I can run newer versions of it in Linux is great nomatter if it's run using WINE or not. I don't want to start a GIMP vs Photoshop flame war here either. A lot of people use and love GIMP, to me, its a matter of preference, and if I can use a version of Photoshop in linux that is still relevant, then thats wonderful.
- num3thod, on 02/19/2008, -3/+49Truly amazing how dumb you are.
- DivineMonkey, on 02/19/2008, -9/+43"Sheesh. I can't decide which is worse, Linux or Mac users."
Windows users. - Remmy, on 02/19/2008, -1/+26No we don't "want it for nothing". We prefer viable alternatives, free or for profit, that are open source so they can be made to suit or needs, however if such a solution does not exist, we are more than happy to use and pay for a product that can. This is the misconception that is Linux. People assume that we choose it for it's price tag when in reality we choose it for it's lack of restrictions placed on us. We aren't against commercial software, we would simply prefer said software to be open.
- verevi, on 02/19/2008, -3/+27Lemme guess. You're wearing nothing but denim and you're not a farmer?
- UNCCEJ1010, on 02/19/2008, -1/+20Having PS run in Linux is nice. I just prefer to use that over the GIMP. It's a matter of habit at this point.
- yaryarhumphump, on 02/19/2008, -4/+19About damn time!
One step closer to getting rid of windows.... - mooninite, on 02/20/2008, -3/+16CMYK support is already in GIMP!! Good lord! They have full color profile support. This article is such BS and half of these comments are, too.
Go download the latest stable version of GIMP 2.4.x and enjoy all your CMYK withdrawls. - eean, on 02/19/2008, -0/+13Google Earth and Google Desktop are released on Linux as native apps.
- specz, on 02/20/2008, -1/+14You don't need photoshop for quickfixes like that, picasa's 'I'm feeling lucky' will do the job pretty well. It's free and 100% compatible with wine
- Atomic1fire, on 02/19/2008, -0/+12Either Digglive is being sarcastic
or they dont understand that Wine is also the name of an alcoholic drink (thus the Intoxication pun they are loaded on whine....) - biffta, on 02/19/2008, -1/+13This is true of most Windows users I know too, they just use pirated software.
- Ph0biA, on 02/19/2008, -2/+14Dugg for Wine Pun....
Now quit "Wine"ing...
Pun - FKnight, on 02/19/2008, -9/+20"Use Open Source Software!! It's much better and more reliable than closed proprietary software and the source is open!!! It's FREE as in SPEECH!"
"But it doesn't have this major essential feature I need for my industry"
"SHUT UP. YOU'RE GETTING IT FOR FREE" - nemoder, on 02/20/2008, -1/+11If your industry really needs an essential feature then why not pay a programmer to add it? Because it is Open Source they won't even have to start from scratch or pay huge licensing fees to do so.
Another option is to just donate to the project directly: http://gimp.org/donating/ - SpyDerMann, on 02/20/2008, -0/+10You know, the same thing was said about Firefox when it came out.
- CoolWind, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9I'm tired of dealing with Windows Genuine Advantage. I want to be able to add and swap new hardware at will without having to talk to some bozo in India to get permission to reactivate Windows. With Linux there's no such problem. With Linux, once you get over the learning curve it's nothing but smooth sailing ahead.
- CoolWind, on 02/20/2008, -0/+9Xp is great except for Windows Genuine Advantage. But the biggest problem is that your XP upgrade path is Vista. I don't want Vista. Period. Therefore, Linux is the obvious way to go. Screw the Microsoft and Apple monopolies. Break free with Linux.
- cap11235, on 02/19/2008, -1/+10No, horizontal stripes.
- inactive, on 02/19/2008, -0/+8lets get some .net 2.0 apps running linux. That would help me a ton...
- Atomic1fire, on 02/19/2008, -0/+8Improving wine is its own reward
With the improvements that company's make to allow support for their products
it means that it opens the door for Linux to conquer windows openly and with a software library - sambapati87, on 02/19/2008, -8/+16"Improvements to Photoshop sponsored by Adobe have made it possible to run Adobe Photoshop under Mac OS X and Windows without Wine."
- inactive, on 02/19/2008, -1/+9Well, in the same sense, Who cares about what you think? Besides, if you knew anything about Wine you should already know that these patches are fixing core compatibility issues at the source. Other applications stumbling upon the same issues as these two will no longer deal with it.
- mooninite, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8What kind of BS is this comment? World of Warcraft has been working on Wine for over *TWO YEARS* perfectly!
Yes, with voice chat support! Go play WoW now! No tweaks required! Just install and double click on the icon! *GASP*
With a nVidia card, of course, I get over 100fps in lots of places. - deadbaby, on 02/20/2008, -0/+8I gotta hand it to Google. They are executing an amazing war on Microsoft right now on all fronts. They certainly won't win every battle but they are succeeding at diverting Microsoft's resources and generally getting under their skin.
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7Agreed. I once called them just for fun and to tell them I was going to bypass their checks and show others how to do it. The drone just kept reading off the card. I am convinced I was talking to a machine, probably running linux. (She didn't bluescreen once)
- CoolWind, on 02/19/2008, -3/+10"lack of Photoshop support on the Linux platform has been significant impediment to Linux adoption in the graphic artist community." More importantly, it's also a significant impediment to anyone who has a digital camera and even a rudimentary knowledge of how to use Photoshop. Photoshop's 1 click auto-fix-it-all is indispensible for even amateur photographers. If you make sure not to over-expose your photos, Photoshop will automagically, and effortlessly, bring out the details in the shadow areas. I don't know of any other way to do that.
- Ademan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7What wine does is known as "white room" (clean room?) reverse engineering, they treat windows (and all of its APIs) as black boxes, they implement what they hope will work exactly like windows by using the known input and output of functions, and the (shoddy) documentation of the win32 API and other libraries.
This is perfectly legal.
As for what google has to gain, I have no idea... I have yet to RTFA, but I think the idea was they didn't have to work on a native port of picasa? Something like that I think... - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+7You know, Its not always a weekend project. And Seriously, Wine is just here to get attention and provide temporary solutions, do you honestly believe that the OS itself has anything to do with how difficult it is to use an application written under it that is trying to emulate one of the worst APIs ever devised? (I honestly can stand POSIX, ALSA and all of those other insane APIs over the win 32 API... GTK included...)
I can stand that Wine is not perfect, but really, it has NOTHING to do with Linux, Wine runs on Mac OSX also.
Way to go. - tech42er, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6Guys, please stop feeding the ***** troll.
- int19h, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6Songbird + iPod plugin are turning out pretty well
- cave, on 02/19/2008, -0/+6Hmmm Photoshop CS2... If only they got Illustrator to work now, I could use Linux at work.
- linuxpenguin, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6Umm, you might want to read the instructions. You've gotta install a few different things if you want it on your Mac.
- andycr512, on 02/20/2008, -2/+8Your post reeks of troll.
"If you've deluded yourself into believing Linux is where its at for an OS,"
Your line of thinking is wrong. "Linux isn't the best choice for me, so it must not be for anyone else, either!" Windows is a giant waste of time for the work I do. If I were to use Windows, I would lose a great deal of time each day making up for its shortcomings in relation to my work. Your work may be different. You should learn to accept that. - geminitojanus, on 02/19/2008, -12/+18"The lack of CMYK support in Gimp is ridiculous when people have been complaining out it for sometime."
Oh yeah, if it's so ridiculous why don't you add it to the GIMP? How much have you paid to have it added? How much work have you done to realize how hard it actually is to add? Can't answer these questions, there's probably a reason: It's a hell of a lot of work, nobody's paying for it to be done. You get what you pay for, and if you're not willing to pay the opportunity cost of CYMK support, then you shouldn't be using the GIMP.
That ridiculous old, burned out troll aside, people actually ARE working to make the GIMP support not only CYMK, but make it completely color space agnostic. This is the point behind the GEGL and BABL projects, which the GIMP now depends on (in svn). It'll be a lot of work to port the entire infrastructure of the GIMP over to using GEGL for its operations, but once it's done it'll never have to be done again because someone is complaining about it not supporting Pantone or LAB. - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+6Yeah. As far as i know, the software is in fact, intended to be used by people.
- mrsteveman1, on 02/19/2008, -0/+5What may end up happening here is this, by the time companies like Adobe want to release their pro software for Linux, they might be able to do so quickly and cheaply by compiling it against the wine libraries. In effect it would be semi native instead of having to run under wine itself.
This is not a bad thing, Google did this with Picasa and it helped them bring the app to linux quickly. Eventually the benefits of truly native applications will become worth the cost of development and these companies will start releasing native apps for Linux. Adobe already releases Reader and Flash for linux, other things will likely follow. - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -2/+7Yeah, but whats Mac OS X?
UPDATE:
I just found out its an OS with a moderate portion of the market share whos users are all smug little idiots that make silly ascii faces and spend thousands of dollars on hardware they most likely wont ever fully utilize. - inactive, on 02/19/2008, -1/+6lol. This is true. Always trying to get me to switch back. There is no replacement for Bash, Cygwin sucks, and MinGW takes too long to set up the way i like it and doesn't even have GCC 4 (Funny enough, i compiled a MinGW with GCC 4 on my Linux box in a matter of hours. Ironic?)
- inactive, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6Do you not understand why people do this? In the least offensive way possible, you kinda missed the point. The point was to draw attention to Linux by providing temporary alternatives to writing full replacements for commercial applications, at least for most of us. If Linux becomes worth the money because of the amount of users Wine attracts, then companies will likely see more reason to provide support - Besides, Wine can only do so much, Wine does integrate well but can't substitute for how well a native application can integrate. Adobe is making me happy right now though, with there native ports, even if they haven't took time to port there largest applications. For example, HaXe and Flex 2 is just pwnsome, and Adobe Reader 8 is a nice port (Bloatware yes, and i'd rather use KPDF or some other reader yes, but its nice for those who have grown to like Adobe Reader)
- marx2k, on 02/20/2008, -1/+6I'm sure he can troll just as effectively in Linux.
- mmmiiikkkeee, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5my understanding is that photoshop CS and CS2 run very well with wine, but the newest version CS3 does _not_ yet work with wine.
- sauvaget, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5yes, CS2 runs. Period.
It starts slower and add-on functionalities like Bridge don't work. But apart from that, you can do just about everything. - inactive, on 02/20/2008, -0/+5Wine is not for drivers... Obviously to devs, we'd need kernel level emulation. That would actually be something I'm highly interested in helping develop, but i already tried doing it on my own, and it was just a fail - I don't know enough to go from scratch.
- hawarkarem, on 02/20/2008, -3/+7Buried for whining
- theaceoffire, on 02/20/2008, -1/+5Already there, and I'm feeling fine.
- jacekpoplawski, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4Thank you, Google.
- Ademan, on 02/20/2008, -0/+4I switched to linux permanently after 6 months of dual booting because of:
1. package management (seriously, it's an absolute dream, my first experience with it was installing apache, mysql and php after my friend had convinced me to try linux, I had previously done the same on windows. On XP I had to download apache, install, dick around with the config file, install mod_php, dick around with the config file, install php_mysql, dick around with the config file even more, and then finally i had my stupid WAMP server. sudo apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql DONE, everything worked. I did it through a GUI as well)
2. customizability. You don't need a thousand shoddy third party HACKS to customize linux (regardless of desktop environment). It was built that way, totally modular, and totally customizable
3. development tools. There was a legion of development tools waiting to be used, new languages ready to be installed at the drop of a hat, IDEs, advanced text editors, compilers, everything. The only development tool i missed was visual studio 2003
4. Did I mention package management? There are alot of other reasons why package management rules, not the least of which is redistrobution, on windows showing a program I wrote to a friend required me to either package a ton of DLLs with my program (bandwidth isn't free...), or have them download redistrobutable installers in order to run my crappy programs. On linux you can have someone download a couple of dependency packages and run your program, or even better package it up and have it all install cleanly and nicely.
5. This one is really minor (and totally based on opinion), but I think clearlooks is the best looking theme for any platform ever.
Those are MY reasons, some may not matter to you, some people may have other reasons, whatever... -
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