What is Digg?70 Comments
- citrusfizz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4lazy bastards they SHOULD do it them selves and not pay codeweavers to do it for them... which is not really doing much at all...there are some people that don't like wine out there and prefer NATIVE Linux apps
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5.. they can't do it themselves ?
- greensky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Picasa, please bring picasa to Linux!
- dhart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Perhaps Google is quietly gaining experience with desktop Linux (Ubuntu) and WINE for a future assault on the Microsoft-dominated desktop.
Microsoft will try very hard to switch people away from win32 apps and onto WinFX apps, where they have much tighter control (patents, DRM, etc.). Also, Microsoft knows that win32 will soon be 99%+ reverse engineered to run on Linux, so they have a huge interest in killing win32.
Circa 1999 Intel wanted to kill x86 to increase profit margins and gain a tighter control of the market via IA-64 (Itanium), a highly IP-encumbered ISA. In the process, Intel left an x86-64 gap.
If Microsoft leaves a win32 gap, like Intel did with x86-64, perhaps Google will fill that gap with Linux/win32, just as AMD filled Intel's gap with AMD64, leaving Intel scrambling and Itanium stagnating.
I would guess that Microsoft will do better with WinFX than Intel is doing with Itanium, but how much better is the interesting question! - sethkinast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Mmmmm Picasa!
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How popular can Picasa be in "limited beta!?" As for Google Talk, is that the chat that no one uses? Hey, I like Google but I know no one using these.
- danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think all of you are missing the point of why Google would choose to use Wine rather then porting to a "native" windows application. The way I see it Google is very smart. Google largest competitor is Microsoft because of the strangle hold they have on the majorities access to the web.
I think everyone knows by now the future of computing will be web based applications. Microsoft has stated they are moving this way, it won't be long and you won't be able to install office on your desktop instead office will be a web based application that is either subscribed to, used as a one time use fee, or free with advertising (Ala Google Mail)!
Google is at the forefront in this area. Their strategy is really not to port their applications to the Linux community. This is a cloak to cover their true effort! Support Code-Weaver making it possible to one day not need Windows to run your existing windows applications. This is what Google is really after they want to see the desktop landscape change making the web ubiquitous and remove Windows dominance and hindrance on the computing environment. - spikes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, it would be nice to see Google Earth using GTK2. WINE sucks IMO.
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1google wants it's hands in whatever cookie jars it can get them in. it's not doing it as a favor to the linux community as much as it is an attemt to get to the linux audience before the competition pulls it's head out of it's ass as far as linux support goes
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If google doesn't want to give up it's source code, they could just release binaries for the top 3 or so distros. Of course this would take at least SOME effort on their part, but this is better than the minimal effort of developing for a windows centric platform and expecting Linux users to accept whatever handouts we can get.
If Google is really interested in helping Linux they would help support a package system similar to klik (very similar to Appdir on Mac) which would eliminate the problem of making builds for multiple distros so everyone could run their apps with one click. - KillSudo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes this is very good news if google is not wanting to do builds for multiple distros and package mangement systems and want to retain the source code. And like Bota said almost simultaneous apps for both Windows and Linux. Plus this helps WINE and makes life easier on google to a point. But if you read the article you will not that it says its "sources" say that GoogleTalk for Linux is being made in house. Now building GoogleTalk for linux may be easy for each version update but with a program like GoogleEarth or Picasa, Google builds the program to work with the Wine API and they are done. Linux using Wine runs the program perfect and Windows will run the same program just fine. I would personally like to see this done with more applications.
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bota,
I'm well aware the Wine Is Not an Emulator.
That doesn't make, applications that run in WINE native to Linux. I'm sorry, anything that requires a fake windows directory and dlls is not Linux native, I don't care what anyone says.
If you have ever run applications in wine you would know that MANY do not function as intended or function at all, WINE apps do not use native widgets so even if they function correctly they look extremely ugly (think worse than java) and do not match the rest of your desktop applications. This is supposed to be better that a Linux native app??? Sound like pure BS and laziness to me. - CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who needs Picasa when I have Digikam?! Google Talk no longer appeals to me especially since they integrated the chat into Gmail and it works with Kopete. If there is a good desktop search made for KDE I won't need Google Desktop and chances are Google Desktop wouldn't integrate nicely with KDE and Google Earth is a kinda nice toy but I won't ever use it probably. So there you have it I don't need your software anymore Google, sorry but your too late.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Native Linux ports please!!
- rdoger6424, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This now opens two routes for the mac versions:
1. Just code a Cocoa universal binary
2. Use the Linux versions, code them for PPC, try releasing a X11 universal binary (Stupid) - FarcicalFart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0+1 for Google!
- PvUtrix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0google earth should be on top of the list!
- Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0dugg. This looks promising, though I cannot see this working under x86_64. I would like to see the wine libs working in 64 bit. Google Earth would be cool.
- mattd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bout time they start porting their apps to Linux so I can use gmail in linux.
- greensky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ok, I withdraw most of my initial enthusiasm. Having picasa run in wine will be ok, but it's no substitute for a native Linux port.
- arzdb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is great news. Not specifically just because Picasa, et al will be on Linux but because I'm sure other companies will be interested. Google is a company with power and hopefully people will follow.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Yeah, it would be nice to see Google Earth using GTK2. WINE sucks IMO."
Google Earth uses Qt, so unless there is some other Windows-specific code that is particularily nasty, it should be a straight forward porting job. - verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yeah, and Google is making an OS and they are making a Cube PC and solving world hunger. Whatever
- verucasalt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Hahah, you made me search for digikam. Wow that is a terribly sad and pathetic looking app. Is that really the best linux has to offer? You should be drooling over the hope of running Picasa, even though it is only emulated.
- noamsml, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0w00t++ for GTalk on linux (their UI is great, much better than GAIM's)
- visability, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0From the article: "The free Linux Picasa download will include a runtime version of CodeWeavers's modified Wine, so that users can simply download the package from Google and run it on their Linux system. Users will not need to download and install Wine, or to purchase CodeWeavers's commercial version of Wine, CrossOver Office."
Ahh, it isn't native. Maybe next time Google. - kalphegor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Picasa isn't Google creation, they buy this program anyway and Google Earth was Keyhole too
math formula for this
lim(s/m)=0
where "s" (software made by Google) is a constant and "m" (money that Google has from Advertising) tend to infinite
so, no digg - closertotruth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is encouraging, let us hope it doesn't flop.
- KenAycock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Maybe they are having codeweavers do it so that if it sucks they can just hide and point a finger
- ArthurSucks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think they're talking about a winelib type build. I hope, that is as close as you can get to a full port without too much work with a rebuild. Picasa works in Linux fine, but I'd love to have it feel a little more native.
- Petronski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is this a promise or a threat? LOL
- wyattxp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0whatever happened to Google calendar
- treehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0-2 for google. PORT THE PROGRAMS, guys.
- cdgore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0google earth plzkthx
- deathguppie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Man the weird call of the wild "I'm clueless bird" has arisen again. Wine is not an emulation layer. It is a recreation of the windows API for linux. Porting to linux using wine is not the same as "running it under wine". It means that it IS running natively. That was the original point of Wine. Running windows binaries was only a side affect of it.
- zeth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have been running Picasa in Wine for a while, and it runs fairly well as it is. A great native application is what is needed for the Linux (KDE) platform.
- Mouche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0... I use Google Talk. I like its simplicity. So far, I have converted 7 of my friends to use it. 5 of them use it all the time. 2 of them use it more often than AIM/MSN.
- jbus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0deathguppie,
Can you point us to some "native" WINE applications that are not windows binaries?
Do these "native" wine applications obey the widgets and colors used by my desktop environment?
Can I install these "native" WINE apps where all my other apps are installed?(Hint: I'm not talking about a 'Program Files' folder)
Will installation of these apps be transparent to the end user and upgradable through a distros standard package manager?
If the answer is no to any of these, then WINE needs some serious work before developers start shoving WINE apps down our throats because it's easier for them.
Seriously, does this mean they will do the same for the new Intel based Macs? Just give them WINE versions of their applications because it is easier to develop? I don't think Mac users or Apple would be happy about that and I don't think Linux users should be either. - linuxrebel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Deathguppie where as I understand what you say and in a certain sense I agree. I cannot totally agree. There is still a layer of interception and translation that precludes totally running native. For example it is not capable of talking directly to hardware as it would if you were running straight windows or Linux. I understand the achronym that gives birth to the concept of non emulation however even on the site the term is used when directly referring to the product.
More importantly .... Codeweavers costs money. I'm not buying something just so I can try out an app and see if I like it. I buy software yes. But I usually find a way to legally try it out first before I put down the long green. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Err, so what, they are just making a package of the Picasa executables with (apparently) a small version of WINE? Please. Picasa already runs fine under WINE right out of the box (though you can't say the same for the rest of Google's programs, though it is possible to get them working with tweaks). Make this a native port, and I will digg it.
- citrusfizz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the thing is, google largely supports wine.. especially with that summer of code there was a guy that developed quite a bit for wine and made some real improvements and what not...what i don't get is why pay codeweavers to make some hack so the programs will work instead of paying some people to develop more for WINE and get them working. and making WINE better in the long run
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what about google search ?
- MemoryDump, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0+ digg on Google if they make all of this happen!
can't wait to see Picasa under Linux! - semihaker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0google earth already runs on linux; just google gentoo wiki
- Eldoo77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Then --> Google suxors because they don't release their apps on other OS'es...
Now --> Google suxors because they try to release their apps on other OS'es (but don't do it the way I want them, too...)
Ah... those darn Open Source evangelists. They are never happy! Google should just screw them and stick with Windoze. - dolson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes, Eldoo77, Google should just screw us and stick to Windows. I'd rather run their Windows applications ON WINDOWS, where they will actually work. Ever try running Corel Draw on Linux? What a waste of money that was for the poor suckers who bought it. Wine is not a permanent solution, it is a temporary workaround.
- v3xt0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0so much for 'no spyware on linux'! =/
- ludwik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"[Google Talk] is not going through CodeWeavers. Instead, sources indicate that a beta version of Google Talk for Linux has been created within Google."
It'll run native! - termal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Picasa's nice enough, but I haven't used it for at least 6 months. Google Earth's the only one I've found really consistently useful.
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Another google news up for a later rebuttal ?
-
Show 51 - 70 of 70 discussions
© Digg Inc. 2009
— Content created and posted by Digg users is