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- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Ubuntu has a vision of making Linux easy. Naturally, that appeals to a larger audience than catering to uber-dorks.
- darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9If anybody "wants Linux to be taken seriously" then people who make unsubstantiated claims to the contrary should be beaten, shot, hung, drawn & quartered, pushed naked down a slide using their balls as brakes and landing in a pool of vinegar.... and then REALLY hurt.
Linux has been taken seriously for the past decade, except by Microsoft fanboys. Remember Linux was running servers on the Internet long before Microsoft Windows even had TCP/IP capability. It implements the same solid standards of interoperability that pretty much everyone except Microsoft do. If anyone is not taken seriously, it is Microsoft. They flip-flop on commitments after they make wrong choices, they utilise their illegally-obtained wealth to stay clear of justice, and the only thing they do consistently is lie and publish bug-ridden filth that they use their illegally-obtained wealth to market like its sweet honey you would die for. They insist on not following established standards, or at least not following them completely, meaning their platform is both irritating and expensive to program for. The only thing it has going for it is an illegally-obtained market dominance in the desktop arena meaning there's a lot of fanboys out there who know jack about IT but think they do, that (stupidly) freely offer their services to market Microsoft as some kind of industry leader instead of the pathetic, playing catch-up, criminal organisation they really are. - punkdigerati, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I don't quite understand this, because Ubuntu is a rebranded Debian distrobution with their package of applications and visual look. In essence a switch from Debian to Ubuntu makes no difference in how things work.
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - darthmdh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I think the point is (and they say it near the top if you RTFA) that Ubuntu is more reliable with timely releases. MEPIS can rely on Canonical having updates every 6 months (with an acceptable rate of accuracy in that). They cannot rely on Debian doing that, after all the last stable distribution took over 3 years, they even gave up making promises as to when it would release after breaking them so many times. That's not commercially viable in the Linux marketplace.
Moving to Ubuntu makes perfect sense, they keep the Debian base so its a smooth transition, and gain the reliability and freshness of Ubuntu. - eclectro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here is statement at the Mepis website;
http://www.mepis.org/node/9454
Dugg because so many people like Mepis, and the link to Ubuntu is interesting. Warren though has turned off a large segment of his independent developer base. Hopefully other distros/developers will take note of the Ubuntu switch. - nuxx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i think this is a really smart decision and could possibly be the start of a more unified Linux Desktop.
Just the fact that you have three organizations banding together to improve on each other's project is intriguing and I think bodes well for the future of Linux as a viable alternative to Microsoft and Apple.
Though what I don't understand is why they insisted on using an unstable release of ubuntu (that is to say, dapper) as the base for SimplyMEPIS 6...wouldn't it be a better idea to use breezy, which is a stable release? - b3and1p, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why is Ubuntu getting so much press lately? I don't know much about the different distros, is Ubuntu really that much better? Should I be giving linux another shot on one of my desktop pcs at home?
- cphuntington97, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4IMHO Ubuntu offers an excellent default configuration, as well as carefully tested dependencies.
Ubuntu is the best possible situation for any software: it works great "out of the box," but is also highly configurable. - neosiv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Well very suprising for me. Funny because I just moved from Mepis to Ubuntu just 2 days ago.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3electro,
Warren is the development base. He does the distro alone and safeguards all his 'proprietary' pieces. This won't effect anything for MEPIS...it's still going to get a 1.5 out of 10 from Mad Penguin until the menu's clean up and someone without crayola crayons the size of rolling pins does the default KDE arrangement. - nograz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Ubuntu while spun from debian has evolved into its own pseudo distro. It sounds like Ubuntu is not going to be relying on debian anymore for packages. They will take care of their own packages.
It is and will still be debian based, it is just moving at a different pace than debian. - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Mepis is already one of the easiest to install Linux distribution. This move will make it easier to upgrade, right now upgrading from Debian Etch might create some issues for newbies since Etch/testing is a moving target while Ubuntu will have stable repository over 6 months and security upgrades for 2 years I think.
That's a smart move, that will make Mepis one of the best Linux distro around. - btipling, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Ubuntu uses it's own repositories by default. If users want to access the debian repositories they have to enable that. They're seperated this way and often the ubuntu release is more stable and less likely to need dependencies not already included in the system.
- murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Its getting better and the Dapper Drake version has plugged up a lot of hardware issues for me (mainly my wireless card issues). I really like Linux but there are some things that I still need windows for mainly DirectX as all my games are based on it. Linux is fun to play with and super easy to install but I still need windows here and there so until then I will dual boot.
- treed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah, the plan is stable versions every six months and two years of support for most versions. However, every fourth version (this includes the upcoming dapper) will have an additional three years (total five) years of support.
They've also broken the six-month rule for dapper, and will be releasing it six weeks late. - pedershk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That would be because this is the first serious distro in a while that comes along and isn't "corporate" this or "professional" that and still has a lot of money behind it. I.e. they actually have money to spend on marketing and "viral" marketing. Namely the free cd's you can get (I got 300, I believe) - and a real PR/marketing department (that would be Mark) spending much of his time talking to the press.
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"They've also broken the six-month rule for dapper, and will be releasing it six weeks late."
But it's shaping up to be a kickass release.
I've been messing around with Dapper and I'm really impressed with it.
So much so infact, that when it's released it might just tempt an old Gentoo/KDE fan to replace his desktop with it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's what I always thought, too. But no matter. There is no way I'm going to run Ubuntu on my production servers. It seems like a fantastic desktop/laptop distro, but I'll stick with pure raw Debian for my production servers, thanks.
- mistshadow2k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Maybe you like having all your choices made for you by some developer. I don't. I like my *nix with as many options as possible. You can't handle that? Go back to Windows or Mac, they're quite happy to never provide you with choices.
- darthrsg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you read about Linux Distros, MEPIS comes up lots.
FWIW, DIGG is not a Linux news site. - Tufriast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been a paying Mepis user for almost 1.5 years now, and I have to say it has been a great distro of Linux.
It's the only version of Linux I use because not only is it backed by the little guy, Warren is also friends with Robin Miller. Robin Miller is the bomb. He's also known as Roblimo from Slashdot fame. The whole Mepis gang is a good bunch of people, and the cohesion that the Linux community is experiencing is very gratifying after all these years of forks. Finally, we're making headlong strides in the proper direction - unity. - opti, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Popular" distribution? I read slashdot and digg daily and I've never heard of MEPIS.
- tyme, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ksgant:
Ubuntu also uses apt-get, so this won't change. - trivas7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2While playing around w/ etch I was surprised by how much of it seemed to have gotten into Breezy Badger -- down to the mouse cursors. I'm wondering how the Debian developers are feeling about now.
And does this mean Warren will be updating from Ubuntu repos? Linux cross-pollination seems to taken off at exponential rates if the offerings on distrowatch are any indication. - FuManchu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's ranked #5 most popular on the "page hit ranking" list at distrowatch.com.
Try a search for "Mepis" on digg.com. Not every story about linux makes it to the front page every time. . . - oceandead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Debian is sweet. To me it is the best overall, but there are problems associated with running it as a desktop OS.
I use Debian stable (straight up) for any servers (be they web, file etc.) because I don't really have to worry too much about software, multimedia, etc. They are fairly static boxes running Debian stable- only changes made are security updates, etc.
However, as a desktop OS, Debian (straight up) isn't really all that great. Your desktop is either stuck in stable for years on end (though, for servers that's fine) or continually messing around with the unstable packages. It's a pain! That's where Ubuntu comes in. For the desktop OS, Ubuntu is a great mix of stability and up to date software. It is very configurable and allows me to mess around with what I want to mess around with ...and/or just simply get some work done.
Summary:
Use Debian (straight up) for your servers.
Use Ubuntu for your desktop(s)/laptop(s). - thecwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well compared to quite a lot of distros, it picks up a lot of your hardware and has a lot of polish. I'm sure ShipIt is also a positive factor too. Guess the real way to find out if you like it is to try it, you may want to wait until Dapper though.
- murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Key word....Based....meaning it has some changes to it.
- murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Dapper is pretty secure now, I have been using it for a while. I use Kubuntu because I like KDE over GNOME...but that is a person preference.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it's just a preview too, they are going to release it after Dapper is released.
- ericcc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't have anything original to add I just wanted to echo murph2481's comments. It is getting better all the time hardware issues are less frequent. As always DirectX's exclusivity to windows is a pain in the a.ss. If OpenGL becomes the standard for big name games, I'm ditching Windows for good. As it stands, thank god for dual booting.
- murph2481, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3You must look at the current user base of Linux....nerds (myself included!)....and what more do nerds want other than the feeling of customization in Linux hense all the Distros. I agree a few will have to prevale as the best and I think Ubuntu is on its way but as far as the number of them I think it will always be like that because it's a nerd market!
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2it's simple Mepis was not popular with people at slashdot because it inludes "non-free" software, meaning software that is not covered by GPL or similar licenses, but if you check www.distrowatch.com you'll see that's in top 10 so I would say is pretty popular. It's also a Live CD, give it a spin if you are curious.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Am I the only Ubuntu user who doesn't like it? My desktop is Gentoo, my laptop Ubuntu, because it is too slow to make me bother with compiling everything. Ubuntu just seems to have a lot of weird little quirks...granted, a lot of those are alleviated by the Automatix script. Other distros have worked better, in my experience (plain Debian included).
(No, not a Linux newbie.) - fooka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4What?? goodbye linux, hello... linux!! I don't get it.. what's the big deal, so they're gonna stop being a debian derivative, and start being a... debian derivatives derivative??
it's all the same people.. Debian is the largest [as in most packages] distro out there, and ubuntu is not-as-large. Debian runs more kernels [as in linux+bsd+hurd], and on more CPUs than just your run-of-the-mill everybody-get-exploited-by-the-same-script x86.
so Ubuntu thinks they're special because they run on JUST x86 and PPC, are a fraction of the size of Debian on a whole, and seem "easier" because people in general don't know how to properly manage a debian sources.list to get KDE3.5.1, 2.6.16???
And now Mepis is supposed to be some big authority on being ignorant and fueling a pseudo distro "rift" because they abandoned debian for... debian??
it's all linux, all the same CPU, all the same source, all the same authors, hell, it's even the same package manager!
please people, post some real news!! no digg - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ubuntu was a success in the beginning because we all liked the nude model desktops
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1pedershk:
What did you do with 300 disks? If you didn't put them all to good use (and not as coasters) haven't you just wasted a lot of money that could've been spent elsewhere - i.e. on developers? I'm just not sure why anyone would need 300 of them. - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I do like Mepis. The only time I ever ran my computer completely free of any MS products, for a whole year, was using Mepis. And I've tried a lot of distros. I dunno, just something about it.
- mucnix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The DCC just got Pittsnogled!!!!
...thought that was appropriate seeing as though MEPIS is out of Morgantown - blackrim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1there doesn't seem to be enough respect given to debian these days. hopefully all the derived distributions will remember their roots. debian has its place and a lot of people rely on it daily. I switch distros like I switch (insert regularly changing item) and I still have one computer running debian (the one I need to be reliable).
- Nerevar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good little blurb. Right now Ubuntu is definitely my favorite distro of linux. I'm really liking the way that Dapper is shaping up, and Mark Shuttleworth seems to be doing a great job guiding the project. I think the delay of Dapper is going to help more than anything. I've tried gentoo before, and it is good in it's own right. But I really love Ubuntu for its ease of use and simpleness.
- postaldave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1in other news the us military has dropped GMC from their truck purchase line and has picked up chevy as their truck of choice.
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It'd be great if all the debian based distro were suddenly syncing together and sharing the effort on packages with a definite schedule.... That's be an excellent incentive to standardise on that side of things.
- Xiol, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You should give Dapper a try (if you're not talking about it).
It's coming along very well and is tempting me away from my Gentoo desktop when it's released for proper.
Been using it in VMWare for a week now, haven't noticed any "quirks" so far. I'm a KDE guy at heart so the whole Gnome thing is a bit quirky for me, hence I may be missing something, but would you care to elaborate on the quirks issue?
(Not a n00b either, gentoo on the desktop and 4 servers at work) - Nerevar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you like KDE why aren't you using Kubuntu?
Or were you refering to the other guy?
I'm definitely a KDE lover and I'm currently using Kubuntu Flight 5 on my laptop in a dual-boot. I have to say it is great. - Kruncher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You should try Ubuntu again. Horay was a piece of crap. Dapper is starting to really kick butt.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I read slashdot and digg daily and I've never heard of MEPIS. "
Hmm...
MEPIS is the 5th most popular Linux distro according to Distrowatch visits. It's above Debian itself, as well as Knoppix, Gentoo, Slackware, Kubuntu, and a number of others more or less known distros - TuxFan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Debian would get more respect if they released updates more often and worked with modern PCs. Every PC I tried it on wouldn't install. Most common reason is Debian couldn't find or format the hard drive. If can't do that, it's out of date and needs to be replaced.
- leehord, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hang on! Isn't Ubuntu based on Debian? This doesn't make sense.
- Jugalator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1fooka, not sure what you don't understand is, but there's heaps of differences in how the Debian and Ubuntu repository is managed along with content differences.
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