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- inactive, on 10/30/2007, -28/+104And the quality of those 121 million lines is waaaaaaay better than that of closed minded companies.
- ZephyrNinety, on 10/30/2007, -4/+79And it's all the work of the dedicated people who want to improve the way we live and use computers. Isn't it beautiful? It came out of love and devotion.
- schestowitz, on 10/30/2007, -2/+27I think I once read that Windows 2000 was 50 million LOCs.
- kettlechips, on 10/25/2007, -4/+28maybe they
just
used a lot
of lines
for no reason? - Trocisp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+25What the *****?
- jtbndy, on 10/30/2007, -6/+28Leave it to digg to start comparing operating systems by lines of code now....
- Campog, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21And you can use all of that code by simply typing "apt-get install"
Ubuntu rocks. - thcobbs, on 10/25/2007, -12/+31Ummmm... I like linux and all.... but how do you quantify the "quality" of those 121 MILLION lines of code? Also, have you ever actually READ through the source code for many of the programs you are referencing?
- benbread, on 10/25/2007, -0/+18Well technically this should be referring to Linux and GNU projects in general - i don't expect much of the 121 million lines is written by Ubuntu-specific contributers - http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/redhat71-v1/redhat71s ... gives a good idea of what projects make up Linux distro's (mostly Red Hat) and how much they're 'worth'
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Thats all the code from all the programs in the repository. Its not jsut the code work that the Ubuntu team has done.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17It could well be bigger than that because Windows is very crufty while we tend to throw out older stuff. Remember that Windows has 3/4 driver ABIs and god knows how many different APIs that do exactly the same thing. This isn't value added, frankly it's disastrous. Of course there is no easy way to clean the cruft from a closed source system. GTK 1 apps could and were ported to GTK 2, it isn't that simple when you only have a binary.
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -0/+15I have no clue what you're talking about - but that was funny.
- modena, on 10/30/2007, -0/+14I think most people are kindof missing the point. This post is saying that if you were to start from nothing, it would cost you 7 billion dollars (in paying programmers) to give you the same thing.
Now of course the large majority of those packages are not affiliated with Ubuntu directly, but the author was using Ubuntu so thats what he looked at. - ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Do Windows users who have never used Linux just pop into Linux threads to say "Linux sucks" and leave? It kind of seems pointless to respond because they will probably never come back to talk to you, let alone try any version of Linux.
- magicaltrevor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I believe Vista has 50 million LOCs, and is around 30% larger than XP and 2000.
- Phocion55, on 10/25/2007, -0/+13Well...it made it to www.dell.com/ubuntu
- pickture, on 10/30/2007, -0/+12My dad has more lines of code than your dad
- SteveMax, on 10/25/2007, -0/+12As bad as Vista could be, it's not less stable than Windows ME. Hell, Britney Spears's personal life is more stable than Windows ME...
- BillGod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12ok number 1 your post makes absolutely no sense. number 2. Mark Shuttleworth says UBUNTU will ALWAYS be free.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth - GMorgan, on 10/25/2007, -0/+10Indeed. WRT my post above it's worth noting that Windows is only an OS, not a distribution. That's quite a lot of code for an OS. How much of the Ubuntu code base is Java, OOo, Firefox, etc.
Really fewer lines of code is better, all things being equal. - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13Probably not much, because Ubuntu is a product of about 23,000 different components, less than a thousand of which originate from Canonical or the Ubuntu users. But the same goes for just about every distribution out there.
- smashcrab, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Has anyone been able to find a rough line-count for Vista's source? I had a dig around when I first saw this for comparison with no luck..
- djGentoo, on 10/25/2007, -1/+11Open-source = less errors.
- aposter, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Except onto the desktop of 4 of my 7 computers. That doesn't count the 2 boxes I use as servers. Wanna guess what they run? :)
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -1/+10you forgot to sudo. :p
- djphatjive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Well Ubuntu was built off of Linux, so other people wrote most of it before Ubuntu came into it. So what is the actual Ubuntu part of it worth?
- UnicornNinja, on 10/25/2007, -0/+9According to Ars technica, Vista is at 50 Million lines http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071003-more ...
- pauldy, on 10/30/2007, -0/+8Ok I think we all get the original poster was a bit of a tard with the post. The idea is that the cost to reproduce all of the packages Ubuntu takes and puts in its distribution would cost 7 billion to do from scratch. So to clarify the value isn't really in Ubuntu but in the packages they use. Still an interesting article just wish it had a better title and description.
- Obligation, on 10/25/2007, -0/+8Yes, in fact, that does mean exactly what he just said.
- TechBharat, on 10/30/2007, -1/+9Did anyone thought about the Ubuntu-CD-Distribution-cost for shuttleworth - while reading the post title?!
- Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9so wouldn't that mean the code is just all the programs offered in the repository?
- bdmbdm, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Exactly!
The base distro does much more than Windows does after a fresh install. And not to mention that the kernel supports TONS of hardware without needing additional drivers. - known, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11http://lxr.linux.no/source/
- jimmiss, on 10/30/2007, -0/+757 Dollars per line?
- Altotus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The code includes everything in the distribution, not just the operating system. Think Vista + Visual Studio + Office + Oracle + MS Back Office + ... . The ubuntu repository has several office suites, development tools for 20 programming languages, several app servers, databases, etc. In that respect, 171 million lines of code is downright svelte. I'm guess that they don't count comments in that number.
- ToadLeg, on 10/25/2007, -4/+11What the hell did you expect?
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8If hell froze over and that happened it would be like RHEL, which is commercial but you can still get it for free as the rebranded CentOS. (which takes the original RHEL source rpms and replaces trademarked names like RedHat and RHEL with CentOS).
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11He didn't determine the "worth" of the code, he determined the amount of time value(money) required to create the code. Technically, all of that code is worthless.
- marx2k, on 10/18/2007, -1/+7Isnt MS WGA doing that to you already?
- baalzebub, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7i bet the number is higher than that, most all Linux distros are about 98% the same software, it just differs in the way it was all compiled & put together...
- samuelmcm, on 10/30/2007, -7/+13do more lines of code mean better OS's?
the simpler the better right? or am I mistaken? - OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7number is more like 120 million. I doubt Ubuntu has written even a million lines of code in their distribution. That's nothing bad, it just means they aren't plagued by not-invented-here syndrome :)
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5In a strict economic sense, anything that is infinitely reproducible has no monetary value. That doesn't mean it has no use though. Air has no value but I am certain I won't be happy without it. FOSS is similar (to a less extreme sense), yeah I haven't paid anything and it doesn't theoretically give me a comparative advantage (which is what price truly measures) but it still has use to me. I'd still struggle to do my work without it.
- ToadLeg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I think you misunderstand it: The whole point of Open Source is to keep and reuse code that is already written. Just because someone wrote part of the code of Ubuntu 20 years ago doesn't mean that code not part of Ubuntu. Quite the opposite, it means that the code written 20 years ago was so good that it is now part of Ubuntu.
- Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Brown themes?
- geminitojanus, on 10/25/2007, -1/+6Lines of code is a rather bad metric anyways; a thousand lines of Python could easily be equivalent to 20,000 lines of C, but might execute at only 1/20th the speed.
- GMorgan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The other xservers aren't relevant though. Gnome and KDE are perfect examples of what I am talking about. Yes they will be abstracted away but KDE will use DBUS and GStreamer for the new version, essentially eliminating a sizeable amount of duplication. XFCE does bring more redundancy in though since it has moved out of it's niche and into the KDE/Gnome market (and annoyingly, leaving it's original market empty).
We still don't have mountains of driver ABI's though and we haven't got much that is truly deprecated like Windows keeps around. - hansonc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5ok that's 4 architectures vs 11 for Debian that's still less
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5So if I were to give you a fistful of money, it would automatically lose it's worth?
- init100, on 10/25/2007, -0/+4I agree. I actually thought the article would be about the cost of running the Ubuntu Shipit service.
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