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- inactive, on 02/03/2009, -3/+26Cupcake please.
- JokersSmile, on 02/03/2009, -0/+18actually changing the firmware on the phone wasn't that hard.... I used this tutorial which made it pretty simple. much easier too if you have a *nix box. And once done you can install a small app that will protect you from screwing the phone up completely and takes backup images from the memory.
- J0hnnyBlaze, on 02/03/2009, -2/+16...but does it have an app that makes the screen look fogged up?
- RoroCo, on 02/03/2009, -3/+16Gongrats... Here is an iCookie for you.... O
- davidrools, on 02/03/2009, -1/+9Apple's multitouch patent is in question because 1) they didn't invent it and 2) they knew they didn't invent it but tried to patent it anyway
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28978246?__source=RSS*blog* ... - Chickenlip, on 02/03/2009, -2/+9Not sure why multitouch and tethering abilities dont come standard in Android ...
Is it because a) Apple has patented multitouch, and b) T-Mobile would rather SELL you a tethering solution?
That's about all I can think of. Also, hacking firmware, loading consoles, mounting sd cards, issuing arcane key combinations, starting daemons, and telnetting into your phone might be old hat for the geeky types, but for wives and grandmas, the solution is a tad too arcane. I hope this all gets much simpler in the near future. - RyeBrye, on 02/03/2009, -0/+7I can promise you that people with hacked phones will have hacked versions of "1.5" as you call it on their phones long before most normal users will - based on several reasons.
First - T-mobile takes their dear sweet time in pushing out updates in a rolling release that takes a week or two to get updates to everyone.
Second - because we are already hacking on the development branch and just need a release that has the closed source apps (Google maps, etc) that we can't build ourselves to suck from T-mobile.
As far as the "risk factor" goes teher isn't much. - yetAnotherCroc, on 02/03/2009, -0/+6My TouchDiamond does tethering OOTB. In linux it shows up as an ethernet connection. Zero hassle. Of course, I don't live in the states.
- drunkenoaf, on 02/03/2009, -0/+5Gong rats? Eek!
- jtechs, on 02/03/2009, -2/+7Where have you been?
It is the most 'open' phone/OS (android) and the possibilities are endless. This article is evidence of that. - MasterJediDan, on 02/03/2009, -1/+5Skip the blogspam - http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f ...
- techobo, on 02/03/2009, -1/+5I guess that TNG quote was a little too obscure. My bad.
- jtechs, on 02/03/2009, -0/+4yeah so does ours.. but your such an individual..
- davidrools, on 02/04/2009, -0/+3The article mentions that:
"The key here is that Westerman's Ph.D. thesis shows he was aware of Bell Labs and other prior art and gestures such as pinching," says Perez-Fernandez.
"Also, Westerman's key patents were earned when he worked for the University of Delaware. That means, they belong to the University and some of the later patents may not be innovative enough to deserve getting granted."
so that FingerWorks wasn't even the rightful owner of the multi touch technology. - sunamiebob, on 02/04/2009, -0/+3I just completed this how to and it works great. The tether script alone is worth doing it. I am using the tether script right now and using the G1s connection to leave this comment!
- rtaibah, on 05/22/2009, -1/+4Don't install cupcake from over the air from T-mobile
Actually, RyeBrye explains it much better (He is one of the hackers who did all this) http://digg.com/linux_unix/Get_Multitouch_Tetherin ... - chrisprang, on 02/03/2009, -0/+2So do new blackberrys..
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -0/+2Steve jobs is the only person to say this. you must be him. you must have an iphone, which comes with a task manager on cydia. so what are you promoting exactly?
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -0/+2Yes, sadly it does.
- cawpin, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1It will get much simpler, just like the iPhone hacks did. It'll probably be a single click installer in a week or so.
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1no.
- teaguecl, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1singhiskinnng, I don't think anyone got your comment. Cupcake is coming... but donut is right behind it!
- willfe, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1The sense I get is that there wasn't time to get it done while keeping to the release schedule. The first OS release on these things was most definitely "beta" quality -- RC30 has fixed many things (though don't say that around the most "vocal" G1 enthusiasts ... they're still moaning that the newest update announced (RC33) isn't including the "Cupcake" updates to Android), but some core features are still missing (most Bluetooth profiles, access to the network stack (for tethering), etc.).
Between T-Mobile going to great lengths to explain and justify their 10GB soft-cap policy on the data plan, including a mention that tethering wasn't officially supported but was officially "okay," and Google crazily apologizing for much of the Bluetooth API vanishing in the 1.0 SDK release (and promising its return in a subsequent refresh), it really doesn't seem like a "conspiracy" to force G1 users into an expensive tethering plan.
Further supporting this is the fact that T-Mobile hasn't done a thing to stop even a single G1 from running an "unofficial" firmware build (hence why the hack in this article works), and doing all the tethering it wants (the phone hardware and OS are quite capable of this -- it's just not accessible in userland).
But yeah, I'm seriously hoping an official release plugs some of the gaps in the feature list. Tethering's top on my list. I have made it work via TetherBot and my home Linux desktop, but that was an unholy trip through hell to get it working and I wouldn't wish that on an enemy :P - cawpin, on 02/03/2009, -4/+5There isn't one WM phone out there that you don't have to pay to use tethering, at least in the US. There are plenty of hacks for WM to enable features that either MS, the vendor or both didn't want you to use. I love WM6, my Omnia runs it wonderfully. I still had to third party applications to get remote desktop functionality (yes, it's useful) and tethering without paying extra.
- theOster, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!
- HamNCheese, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1And who would they sue?
- keeganspeck, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1'specially if you go to http://www.zombo.com
- Trifold, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1Apple can't patent multitouch, it was already patented by some other dudes and the patent expired, hence public info. What Apple can, and is trying to patent is specific gestures for use in certain applications.
- nizzy1115, on 02/03/2009, -1/+2Especially with the 1.5 firmware on the brink of its release!
- rohit275, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1This looks awesome. I really badly want to try this with my phone, but I have a quick question (if anyone knows the answer). Let's say I do this and then Cupcake comes out. What happens if I then install Cupcake? Do I lose all the changes I've made or is that just in addition to all of these hacks?
- jtechs, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1I remember the PSP firmware proof of concept.. oh and iphone.. and xbox and.. and.. but it might be better to just accept the technology that we have and not pushing the limits at all.. right?
PoC is not bad code or untested software, Its about showing others that its possible and likely to be achievable with enough effort what you suggest. PoC is not BETA or even ALPHA.. its more like a sketch,
Every piece of technology you use was probably at one time a PoC
If you actually tried to look at some of the PoC you would see that the multitouch(TM) browsing is almost perfect on the Android, I run PSP CFW, Had a iPhone unlocked and enjoy using my 1.1kg laptop. - foetus, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1My Sprint Mogul does tethering... no extra charges.
- mleh, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1Do you really judge individuality based on something as mundane as a cell phone?
- rtaibah, on 05/22/2009, -0/+1Applying this will block over the air updates from T-mobile...
These three functionalities are available in the cupcake update. And as RyeBrye says, they are just waiting for the "closed app" updates from T-Mobile to release....in other words yes. They will be supported - willfe, on 02/03/2009, -0/+11jaxstate1: 4/10. Fair-to-average. You didn't misspell anything so you're not going to catch that crowd with this one, and you didn't bash any specific brand to get its fans riled up :)
cawpin: Just FYI, on T-Mobile my old Dash (I replaced it with a G1 in November 2008, and gave my Dash to a friend) didn't require any special fees or considerations to use tethering. It just worked (and it even worked with Linux, which stunned me considering who wrote Windows Mobile :)). The phone's data plan was sufficient for tethering (i.e. you can use a Dash without any internet plan at all -- unlocked, it even works with prepaid SIMs, which is what it's doing now).
And yeah -- lack of native tethering on G1 that doesn't involve reflashing the firmware or using an intermediary system for pass-through tethering (see TetherBot) blows. T-Mobile went out of its way during the launch cycle of the G1 to make it clear that tethering was officially okay and included in the 10GB soft cap. Then came the "gotcha" -- it's officially "okay," but not officially *supported* by any user-level application or the stock OS. Not entirely T-Mobile's fault, either -- in the Android SDK (that you build Android apps with) there's no way to get to the network stack at a low-enough level to permit direct tethering. That's why the hack is necessary -- the tethering app doesn't run in the userland sandbox.
One would hope that an update is eventually coming (Cupcake-derived, please?) that will fix this. - Fazaman, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1I don't know what's more sad. That you quoted that lame joke, or that I knew what it was... and just remembered who gave the line and what the episode was about (Damn you, Whoopie!).
- jtechs, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1Is he crying? I should cry a little too, So he feels better..
- jtechs, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1ill bite... explain the "proof of concept" statement.
- VeritasAequitas, on 02/03/2009, -1/+2So a windows mobile phone isn't a "smartphone" I was un aware.
And as someone who has both a windows mobile phone for work and one of the new "smartphones" a jailbroken and unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile for personal use. I've found that I loath Windows Mobile even more than I loath Windows XP and Vista I rarely even use my work phone for anything other than answering calls.
Of course I'm a unix boy, so my platforms of choice are OS X and Linux either Ubuntu or Fedora.
Still waiting for new android powered hardware though. - rohit275, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1Awesome.
But what if I were to install it over the air from T-mobile though, that would void any of the changes I made with this, correct? The only thing stopping me at this moment is the fear of missing out on something they might give us, such as video recording, stereo bluetooth support, on-screen keyboard, etc; are these supported if I were to do this hack? I just want to make sure I don't do something stupid before I know what I'm doing for sure haha. - jtechs, on 02/03/2009, -0/+1love that site
- MacHarborGuy, on 02/04/2009, -1/+1k, after going thru that link of yours, it says that "Wayne Westerman" and his business partner had the patient. they were part of the FingerWorks company that Apple bought. If FingerWorks did hold the patient, was it the company that held it, or the individuals? If it was the company, most likely it was also acquired by Apple after the buyout.
- Regulator980, on 02/03/2009, -2/+2Bacon please.
Oh wait, I guess we can have the best of both worlds! :D
http://digg.com/food_drink/ABC_News_Fad_Fat_It_s_B ... - maskharat, on 02/03/2009, -1/+1Wait. Let me get this straight. You mean this phone that is specifically selling itself as an "open" platform partnered itself with a carrier that doesn't give you root access?
And don't get me started on "proof of concept." - Midnitte, on 02/03/2009, -0/+0Google has no control over the G1, and neither does HTC. Its all up to T-mobile. As it stands I'm sure multi-touch hasn't been added because Apple now has a patent on multitouch. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/01/apples-m ...
- MacHarborGuy, on 02/04/2009, -1/+1"Further supporting this is the fact that T-Mobile hasn't done a thing to stop even a single G1 from running an "unofficial" firmware build (hence why the hack in this article works), and doing all the tethering it wants (the phone hardware and OS are quite capable of this -- it's just not accessible in userland)."
Apple hasn't stopped anyone either, and by that I mean forcefully tried to stop them via forcing a firmware reset without the users consent. When Apple puts out a firmware update, currently, it is up to the end user to install it, or you just wait for the new firmware to get hacked and install that instead. No forcing there. They ARE attempting to make it harder to hack the firmware, but that will always be circumvented eventually.
jailbreaking, while easy, is not stable. i have experienced far more crashes when my phone was Jailbroken than when it isn't. - MacHarborGuy, on 02/04/2009, -1/+1they may not have invented Multitouch, but I believe that FingerWorks did make the first real physical implementation of it, and Apple bought them. Before then, at least according to Wikipedia, the only multitouch activity was people writing papers on the idea [citation needed].
- yocouchdigga, on 02/03/2009, -2/+1YES.
- maskharat, on 02/04/2009, -1/+0From the article:
"While admittedly it’s still not as smooth as I like it to be, its just a proof of concept and will probably be optimized over time."
"Proof of concept" is a magical crutch open source projects use way too often. It's a fancy name to cover up untested, bad or demo code that shouldn't have been released to the public in the first place. These "features" tend to stick around forever, rarely get improved to a finished state, and end up getting more and more half-baked features built on top of them. -
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