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- corevette, on 10/12/2007, -1/+54other games i like to play that weren't on the list
-Tremulous* (fps)
-Frets on Fire* (guitar hero clone)
-Stepmania* (ddr clone)
-Frozen Bubbles* (....none of the above)
-Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (fps)
-TrueCombat: Elite (fps)(my personal favorite)
* = Open source - STKD, on 10/12/2007, -15/+63Really? MAME can do F.E.A.R. now? Or TDU? Or S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? Or 2142?
Who knew! - GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35I downloaded Tremulous a few weeks ago. Running around floor-to-wall-to-ceiling at a million miles per hour with a ground-level fisheye perspective is about the most nauseatingly fun thing I can imagine.
- ldog, on 10/12/2007, -5/+33Why is Neverwinter Nights an example of something that works in wine?
The game has a native port. - AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -4/+30@pcgeek101
"Does Linucks support DirectX10?"
Does Windoze* XP support DX10? You'll find that the answers to those two questions are the same.
*See, I can use condescending misspellings, too. - KineticFlow, on 10/12/2007, -9/+32Wine Is Not an Emulator.
- ldog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26Guess I should have posted a link:
http://nwn.bioware.com/downloads/linuxclient.html
wine is great for lots of things that don't have native ports, like Warcraft 3 but is unecessary for Neverwinter Nights - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+28thanks for the list!
jerk. - straxus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18"Yes you can play lots of games on wine, yes they will lag like a bitch."
No they won't.
"It's just the reality of an emulator"
Good thing Wine isn't one.
"and the fact that most linux users, like myself use old hardware"
Speak for yourself. Core 2 Duo and Geforce 7700 here.
"because we don't need the new *****."
If you want to play games you do. No wonder they 'lag' for you.
"With that said, if you're a gamer.. the titles are limited and the results may vary. But you CAN be a linux gamer, it just takes patience. "
I can't disagree with that.
"(And the notion in the back of your mind, that you know YOU KNOW someday microballs will bring all gaming companies together and pay them millions of dollars to put code into the game that eats your kernel alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)"
I suppose if you wanted to run everything as root, have your /boot mounted rw, and MS wanted to risk a lawsuit and PR fiasco that would potentially end the company, AND the stars and planets were aligned just right... But if you're already running everything as root, you've probably already been 'owned'. - imeddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15The Nexuiz link in the article is wrong.
Correct one: http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/ - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15If those DX10 script kiddie game devs would learn how to use OpenGL, porting to Linux and OS X would be nearly effortless! You damned fools!
Listen to John Carmack, a real graphics programmer, unlike these script kiddies who make DX engines from "Programming DirectX for Dumb Asses" book templates. Look at how easy it is to port Quake/Doom engine (and other OpenGL) games compared to the bug-ridden, canned DirectX crap like Battlefield 2.
All we really need is for Epic, Valve and id to support OpenGL and it would account for the majority of 3D games because most games use their engines. The rest of the market would have to soon follow, schools would have to start focusing on OpenGL again.
We must break the stranglehold Microsoft has on game development through DirectX, otherwise the future is more ***** games and censorship. Not to mention the need to buy the Vista virus to play them! - Technofrood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I may just be imagining it but I can see a Linux download on the Frets on Fire homepage.
- l34NDl20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Did everyone forget about the Unreal Tournament series?
- splinecl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I like MAME for the nostalgia, but those games get old really fast. Arcade games loose their spirit when you have unlimited credits.
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13This article is better:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_problem_with_Linux_is_that_there_are_no_games
Frankly I am a old school hard core gamer and play nearly all my gaming in Linux.
Between the excellent:
- XPLANE flight simulator, and all the good FPS's games like
- UT,
- UT2003/2004/2007
- Tribes2
- Quake3(and all the good mods like true combat)
- Doom3
- EnemyTerritory
- RTCW,
- MetalofHonor+AA
- Americas Army(way underrated)
- Nexuiz(CHECK it out),
- as well as games like NWN, Rune, Warcraft 2, Decent3, Airline Tycoon, and more ******ALL RUN NATIVE******* in Linux.
Then as well as the Half Life stuff(plus all those great mods like Counter Strike, DayOfDefeat etc), Battlefield, WoW, Madden 2006, CIV:IV and the other games that run really well under wine, combined with the very healthy EMU scene for the great old arcade, SNES, etc games you could want, I have no need for Windows to get a very, VERY good gaming fix when I need it.
There is LOTS and LOTS of gaming out there for Linux users if you actually look for it.
The only thing missing really, is the Battlefield stuff, but lets FACE IT.... EA can hardly put out a game for Windows that even runs without crashing every 10 seconds, let along something that will behave on Linux. - spencewah, on 10/12/2007, -8/+19The problem isn't whether or not there is gaming on Linux. Clearly, there are a wealth of games available for the Linux platform. The problem is that it's a pain in the ass to run commercial games on Linux, if you can get them to run at all. These are the games people want, not the (albeit cool) homebrew ones that nobody's ever heard of.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Well, i dont Game on Linux, nor use it for that matter. But i was interested to have a look through the list. Interested enough to download 'Sauerbraten' (For Windows) it looked realy interesting. Multiplayer FPS Opensource, with available mods...... cant go past that right?
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It's worth noting that the OGL enabled VM kernel extensions have been committed to Andrew Morton's mm kernel tree. In future this will enable full 3D support inside a virtual machine on Linux.
- nikolai, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14@wounded625
... and next time you correct somebody, make sure you don't make the same mistake. "cant" should be "can't". - nicpedersen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Where is the harm in dual booting at this point? if you love linux for your computing needs, great. use it. Now if you know you are going to sit down and play a game, just boot into windows. I think we can all stand to sit through the extra 5 seconds the grub loader adds.
- nubtard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15You know, you could have just pasted a link to the same list of games - arsehole.
- jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Bzflag, Netpanzer, Koules, Warsow, True Combat Elite, Torcs, VDrift.
Wheres the gaming LiveDVD?? - nielkie, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13@pcgeek
GTA works with the latest version of WINE.... - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10There is nothing in a game that can eat your kernel alive. This isn't the days of MS-DOS, we have something known as protected mode now and even MS uses it.
Also the problem with WINE (in the few occasions it has serious problems) is that the libraries haven't been optimised because they haven't all been written yet (correctness first, performance later. Good programming practices 101). It is not an emulator. - parax, on 10/12/2007, -9/+17I think this article is misleading, at best. Linux simply doesn't have gaming support. No matter how many hoops you jump through, you can't just go to the store, pick up a box, and be confident that it's going to run in Linux when you get home.
To be fair, I've had my fair share of games fail to install/run in Windows, when I got home. But it's usually a hardware limitation, not because it just wasn't built for the platform. If I go to a store and buy a game, 99 out of 100 times, it's not going to run on Linux.
Linux is a great platform, I use it almost all the time for programming, web surfing, email, productivity... But don't start trying to sell it as a gaming platform because it's just not true. The games you can run on Linux are few and far between. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Well you can't just go into a shop and pick up any random game and expect it to run on your Windows PC, PS3, Wii or 360 either. Of course Windows games don't run on Linux, they aren't designed too, in fact many devs are paid by MS to go out of their way to ensure it only runs on Windows. If you pick up a Windows only game then yeah there's a fair chance it won't run on Linux. Do people complain thought that their PS3 game doesn't run on their Wii.
It's a minor miracle that any Windows games run on Linux. WINE is not a simple task, in fact it's a ridiculous thing to attempt (essentially reverse engineering every API of an entire OS and building the key features into another OS) and that anything works is a testament to their abilities. - technicalabuse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8
I've worked 12 years now with Linux on the server and desktop but have always ran Windows in some form for gaming.
Since I'm just playing WoW right now and I am focused solely on Open Source projects and development I've
switched my main machine to Ubuntu Feisty and running WoW with Wine and it's excellent.
XP has been reduced to a virtual machine for app testing in my setup. - Aliarse, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15And who's to blame for this?
Hint : It's not Linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i play World of Warcraft (and use vent) on linux every night just about
also i still every once in a while fire up steam (hl2, cs:source) and starcraft - jlebrech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Try Monodevelop!!
- CaptMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -6/+12I completely agree. I don't care who's fault it is, as long as I can't play all of the games that I want to play on Linux that I can on Windows (and with no worse performance) there's no reason for me to switch. If all of the major games start being released with Linux ports, then we'll talk, but until then, I'm sticking with Windows. It's like a phillips head screwdriver, it's not that I have a particular love for the phillips head screwdriver, it's just that it seems to work with so many screws.
- mtalon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I can agree with that. It should always be said that one shouldn't expect an off the shelf Windows game to run in Linux. That's even with Cedega/Wine.
However, there's quite a few gamers out there today who are sick of the commercial gaming landscape and want something different. Linux is great for that. Lots of older engines have been open-sourced like Q1-Q3. That means games can be made with these engines that are fun and not what you would ever find on the shelves. Plus there's a lot of original development going on.
The hardcore gamers should stick with Windows, but the more casual (or nostalgic) can be perfectly happy with Linux. - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@tommyfullington: Here's an explanation of WINE for people who thinks it's an emulator:
Windows executables can be looked at as consisting of two parts: Executable code and API calls (also known as system calls). This is equivalent to calling some code in a DLL file.
"Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix." (www.winehq.com). Basically, they're providing a way to invoke DLL code, along with some DLLs that have been custom-written for use with WINE (you can also use native Windows DLLs if you have them). The non-API code is run as machine language. This provides very little overhead as opposed to using an emulator.
When you use FCEU, ZSNES, Mupen64, MAME, etc., you're actually creating a virtual machine like Java does before executing a program, with all the registers and other garbage that brings your system to a crawl. WINE doesn't do this.
I thought this was worth explaining, since people seem to think that WINE is slow and that WINE is an emulator. If you think it's slow, try running Unreal Tournament (the original one) on Linux; it runs better in WINE than it did when I used Windows, provided you use the Software or OpenGL rendering instead of Direct3D. - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This single comment thread here is the most civil, well-thought-out one I've ever seen on Digg. There's no FUD and a lot of good points. It brought me to tears.
- nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually Linux DOES SUPPORT GAMING just fine... its got OpenGL, OpenAL, and SDL which are MORE than enough for gaming to run great.
The only thing it takes is for game developers to build the game for Linux using the same tools many use to program games on Windows, and MacOS. - edmicman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Exactly. There may be some "cool" linux games that aren't just ports of commercial games, but how many of those linux games would you go to Best Buy and pay for if it game in a box? They may be good for free games, but in the grand scheme of things, the little indie games on linux (and pretty much anywhere) suck. They're amusing for a little while, but if they really struck gold, they'd be publishing with a major studio and releasing to more than the 5 people out there that try and play games with linux.
- Flamekebab, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Where the ***** was Darwinia?
Nice to see Uplink get a mention though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5ive been playing Alien Arena 2007 and its great! i got it from www.getdeb.net its a kick ass FPS, online, multiplayer
- devicerandom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why has been FreeCiv forgotten?
Maybe it has not the fancy (but highly distracting and frankly useless) graphics of newer Civilization titles, but it's incredibly well done and documented, and it's a truly addictive and playable strategy game (In fact, Civilization-FreeCiv is the only game that ever addicted me).
edit: oh, it shouldn't have been a reply here... - PixelEater, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8These we can game too articles always feature the latest smash hits and best in Windows emulation D:/
- person425, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7wc3 : I never really played much wc3 in linux, but from what I hear, it works alright. I play WoW in linux and once I switched it to opengl rendering, everything worked well.
visual web developer : I would not trust that any of the microsoft development environments would work well in linux :-/ When I need to write windows stuff, I normally just boot up vista in vmware, and write my code there. Probably not worth it for school projects etc. There are plenty of good tools for writing php webapps in linux, but if you are stuck using a .NET style environment, windows is definitely a better option.
I am not sure about this (someone else can verify), but I think all the new MS development environments run on .NET, which cannot be emulated in wine. With the help of mono it can *sometimes* work, but I have never gotten any .NET apps working in linux. To be fair though, I never tried that hard :-) - srg13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Where exactly is the evidence to support these claims?
Lets see some screenshots or videos (using the current version of Wine) - Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just tried gaming knoppix 4.0.2 DVD on my gaming computer, but it was so slow loading from the cd. Wish i knew how to install knoppix to the hdd.
- xmuzik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think it's safe to say that within the next 5 years if you sit your average user down and allow them to use Linux or Windows side by side that most people will end up choosing the Linux OS.
- mtalon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4More Linux gaming goodness:
http://www.happypenguin.org
I've found all sorts of stuff off there. The interface could be better, and some of the items are definitely ALPHA, but it gives you a pretty good feel for what's going on in the Linux gaming scene. It's more robust and alive than you can imagine. - UrbanVoyeur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Don't forget Warzone 2100
Resurrected as open sauce: http://wz2100.net/ - bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4As a counter example, I'd like to point out Battle for Wesnoth. I haven't played a Linux or Windows game that I like more. The graphics are great for what it is; it's not an FPS. It's free and I have no reason to believe that it's going commercial any time soon. It's available for Windows. Give it a try.
- nemoder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4war3 yes:
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=7556
vwd no:
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5081 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@casedot
I think their is a way to install it to the hd, i'm not sure. Why not just install kubuntu and install all the same apps from knoppix that you like? -
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