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- StupotAce, on 12/31/2008, -3/+93Gaming is actually what keeps a lot people from switching over to linux. You can't play every game with wine and you typically have to wait instead of playing the game soon after it comes out.
I know that I double boot so I can game in Windows, but for most people, that's just an unnecessary hassle. They only want one OS. - SillyRabbits, on 01/01/2009, -2/+59"Apple demonstrated on the desktop, the way to beat Microsoft is not at its own game"
Apparently I missed that day when Apple began beating MS in the desktop game... - TheSilentNumber, on 12/31/2008, -4/+45Yes! Games have so much to offer Linux so i offer this one piece of advice to everyone: donate! If you download a game ad you like it, donate $5, if you like it enough to play it regularly, donate more! Free software games need our support!
- inactive, on 12/31/2008, -2/+37The only thing I keep windows around for is games, and even then I use Linux whenever possible. Stronger game support for Linux would be awesome.
- FKnight, on 01/01/2009, -6/+341. Tell everyone Linux rules
2. When your friend says "it won't play my games", tell him that WINE plays them just fine.
3. When your friend says "ok, this specific game won't run on WINE", tell him that computers were never meant for games. - Aurabolt, on 01/01/2009, -3/+26#2) VLC
- sysoprock, on 01/01/2009, -2/+21if ubuntu could run games as well as XP i would switch over in an instant.
- norman619, on 01/01/2009, -3/+20This is hilarious. I have said it many times before and I will say it again. The only thing keeping Linux from wide adoption is the complete lack of mainstream software vendor support. Hell even Adobe, who used to be primarily an Apple software developer/vendor, is releasing a 64 bit version of their flasgship software suite for Windows and OSX users are being forced to wait till MUCH later. Major vendors like Adobe refuse to support Linux for sound business reasons. They only care about where the money is not which OS is technically better or 1337.
- twiztidsinz, on 01/01/2009, -3/+17Two things keep me from Linux:
1). Comparable gaming performance through WINE (in my NON SCIENTIFIC testing, I've had about a 20%~50% decrease in performance on Kubuntu using WINE1.0.x) or another application layer/emulator without a headache of setting up.
2). A video player that works for all files and will display subtitles well without a headache of setting up. Maybe I'm just spoiled from using CCCP+ZoomPlayer. - detrate, on 01/01/2009, -2/+16http://www.nexuiz.com
http://www.warsow.net
http://www.tremulous.net
http://icculus.org/alienarena/rpa/aquire.html - Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -0/+14All linux needs in order for major developers to make games for it, is to first obtain a majority market share.
All linux needs in order to get majority market share, is for major developers to make games for it first.
Uh oh - superppl, on 01/01/2009, -0/+13We do buy commercial games ported to linux. But how many can you name?
Not enough is a good answer.... - SkullScrew, on 01/01/2009, -2/+14I firmly agree. I've run Ubuntu, and love it. The only reason I don't stick with it is because my computer is a very expensive toy. I don't need productivity software, I've got that in spades from my work laptop. I get home, I want to frag some bastards. To be able to do it in Linux would be a huge bonus.
- inactive, on 01/01/2009, -3/+15HEY DUDE I KNOW HTLM TOO
- Invadercon, on 01/01/2009, -0/+11And we shall call this amazing new invention... a console!
- mithrasinvictus, on 01/01/2009, -3/+14But Linux could be a lot better to PC gaming than Windows.
You could have a streamlined install specifically for gaming turning your PC into an upgradeable console.
Hardware support seems to be the biggest hurdle. The Linux community should start handing out shiny compatibility badges. - inactive, on 02/25/2009, -0/+11@norman agreed. also, err the apple fans on digg might digg me down for this, but just for once, wake up the common sense processors inside your head, go to apple.com/store and check out Mac pro's price and specifications and then compare it with the latest i7 based offerings from Dell and Alienware. what a freaking mistake you have done by buying Apples would all be crystal clear to you.
the current macs are heavily underpowered, extremely overpriced and i don't know of any reputable vendor who doesn't offer extended "on-site" warranty as an option. The fact that I will have to bring the machine to an Apple store everytime something happens is totally ridiculous and a big reason for buyers to move towards Dell, Alienware, HP etc from where they can buy services such as advanced exchange, accidental damage care service and more than three years of full and no-holds-barred no-question-asked onsite warranty. Apple miserably fails in all these aspects and some more.
while I have been doing business with Apple and made a handsome amount of money from them, I kinda feel guilty as well for the customers who fell for the deceiving apple ads they saw on TV. I wish it was legally possible for me to provide them with a piece of paper detailing how they could get better hardware for way less money from PC vendors. But that would have just been plain nonsense because if i really did that, i would have lost plenty of sales :P
I want to be a fan of any and every company that want to stay competitive, want to compete with the best and want to provide consumers with awesome products at affordable price. although Apple is not one of them, I strongly believe people like us would not hesitate to do whatever necessary to help Apple realize the mistakes they are committing every day but failing to notice - norman619, on 01/01/2009, -8/+18LOL!!! I'm an artist. I do 3D modeling, animation, texturing, photography, and a little HTLM. I see no wisdom in investing in an overpriced machine which only supports less than half of the applications I use for my work and ZERO of the games I love. I have never heard a valid reason to go with a Mac over a mainstream PC.
- norman619, on 01/01/2009, -8/+18No *****. That line alone demonstrates this article is full of BS and fanboy wishful thinking. If any one doubt it just look and who STILL controls over 90% of the PC market.
Hint: It's not Apple. - mikeophile, on 01/01/2009, -1/+11"the demographics of gamers mesh well with the demographics of Linux users."
I think someone is getting dissed here, but I'm not sure who's getting it worse. - woer, on 01/01/2009, -1/+11From an Ubuntu user in this thread http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/1899/ :"This sort of thing generally only happens after the fact. Game companies are not usually willing to sink R&D time into an OS that most people don't use -- but most people don't use it because of that -- so it's a Catch-22, to be sure. "
That's true, but there are some Linux gamers (obviously). If this http://digg.com/linux_unix/Steam_Linux_on_the_way_ ... truly means Steam is coming to Linux, then Valve will control the Linux game market, and other companies won't have that. As soon as one large developer moves over, you can be sure the rest will. And getting one dev over to the Linux camp is a lot less work than would be involved in changing Linux's desktop strategy. - inactive, on 01/01/2009, -2/+12tech savvy ≠ pirate
- Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -0/+9More like 5...
PS3, X360, Wii, PC, and in some cases PS2 still simply due to sheer # of units still in circuit.
The next one will be the Mac since its gaining market share. Linux needs to get a lot more desktop marketshare before its even looked at. - mckooiker, on 01/01/2009, -0/+9STOP this nonsense!!
The OS GNU/Linux is open source, you are free to develop games or any software that runs on GNU/Linux that is CLOSED source.
Who told you that everything that touches GNU/Linux should be open sources as a consequence?!?!? - RSAgent007, on 01/01/2009, -2/+11Won't happen.
Any game developer will tell you OpenGL is nowhere near as mature as Direct3D. DX10 gives you Multisampling Antialiasing (MSAA) depth access in shader, explicit coverage control, Per-MRT blend mode, 16-bit integer blending, array of cube maps... the list goes on of what OpenGL can't do.
Yes, there are workarounds, but they really get in the way of developing great looking titles. Furthermore, MS provides game developers a ton of great development tools, like PIX. Even amateurs can developing game projects that run on the Xbox, thanks to XNA. - mckooiker, on 01/01/2009, -1/+9Works on Linux just fine - no reason to use windows
- Chazo, on 01/01/2009, -0/+8Solitaire helped to sell millions of copies of Windows 3.1.
- bjornski, on 01/01/2009, -0/+8Donate enough, and you'll help fund Tux Racer 2!
- Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -1/+9Digg RSAgent007 down if you dislike the truth, but its truth nonetheless. As a developer myself, I was very disappointed in opengl3 and thats not even properly out yet. Meanwhile, DirectX is starting to pull light years ahead of it for games.
Its one of those truths that people try to bury, but burying it wont make it less true. - nmanguy, on 01/01/2009, -4/+11Well, it is easier to sell something to a group of 90% of computer users who still have money in their pockets because they didn't blow $5000 on a $2000 computer from Apple.
- FireSlash, on 01/01/2009, -0/+7Think of it this way. You're not buying the game, you're buying the developer(s) a beer or a pizza, as a "Hey, thanks dude" gesture. The reason we don't require you to pay is because we feel that you shouldn't have to pay for games you don't like; but if you really enjoyed something, you might find it in your heart to toss us a couple bucks as a thank you.
- Freeware Linux developer. - SniperGX1, on 01/01/2009, -3/+10Have you played any EA titles lately. The quality of programming is horrible. They crash constantly and have obscene glitches. Maybe OpenGL isn't the limitation, maybe it's the skill of many developers. It's good to be nice to developers, but they should be held to the high standards their craft demands.
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -0/+6you are right on the money. I have been a hardcore Ubuntu user for years, but had to come back to Windows (although I didn't want to) solely for games. And don't think games are for entertainment only. I need to run some games to make a living and pursue some career-related goals. These are simulation based games and they don't run on any Linux distros no matter how much money and time you spend on Wine to make it run these games at native speed. I'm just not gonna mention the titles of such software for privacy reasons.
computer video game industry is almost a multi-billion dollar business nowadays and many computer buyers also might like to see what commercial game development is all about. and in that area, Linux fails again. - mckooiker, on 01/01/2009, -0/+6Nonsense, how would it damage industry? Though it sounds strange, open source software can be really profitable. As more people use OS, more developers and support is needed, it creates jobs, but not in the conventional way. It seems scary to give away source code, but it is viable and there are several examples.
- inactive, on 01/01/2009, -1/+7If you can get Linux to play the games with better performance and lower hardware requirements and get equivalent graphics quality, then i'm in.
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -1/+7what game/s are you referring to? lol
- Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -0/+6FKnight speaks the truth.
As much as I'd love for linux to take the lead in games, it won't. And WINE is not the answer. I always sigh when someone says "just use WINE".
Its not even nearly good enough. I mean, its an amazing piece of work, but its just not able to do it fast enough. - Klowner, on 01/01/2009, -0/+6Males under 40?
- Ultomato, on 01/01/2009, -1/+7TA: spring.
http://spring.clan-sy.com/ - bhalo05, on 01/01/2009, -0/+5More delusional crap. Looks like they've got this giant factory, and they never run out of it.
If you really want desktop Linux to take off, why not adress the core issues? How about some unification and standardization, for starters? Right, because it's diversity, and diversity is goooood.
It's just easier to hope things magically fix themselves and keep writing ***** articles. - Rolcol, on 01/01/2009, -1/+6Developers only have to release the source code if they used GPL licensed source code. There are drivers from Nvidia that are closed source and still work on Linux. The game developers would just have to package it for the major distros.
- 4321234, on 01/01/2009, -0/+5I won't even go outside without double boots.
- inactive, on 01/01/2009, -1/+6Why the hell would they do that?
- bjornski, on 01/01/2009, -0/+5EA sucks. Ask any gamer on a system that CAN run their software.
- Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -2/+7Stronger support for games in Linux would go a long way.
The problem is that developing for windows AND linux AND 360 is starting to diverge considerably. In fact, it already has. DirectX on the one end, with XInput, XAudio, XACT, etc, and OpenGL on the other end with god knows what for your audio stuff. Even the threading is different. Almost no serious third party toolkits even work under linux. Either way, you're going to have to do an amazing amount of work and pipeline change to make your game work under linux. And then the support for all the differences between all the distros. And then the possible run-ins with the frothing at the mouth FOSS/GNU folks, and the elitism and the inevetable piracy.
For what? The market is like less than 1% and of those, most are not interested (or are on netbooks, and thus incapable) of games.
It doesn't add up. it doesn't make SENSE to develop full scale AAA titles for linux. If it did, we'd be doing it. - tHeSiD, on 01/01/2009, -0/+5true.. but will the developers be happy about it.. i mean they already have got 3 diff platforms to code for right now
- inactive, on 02/25/2009, -1/+6I'm tech savvy, and I don't pirate. You don't have to believe me. Add me as a friend to your Steam and see how many games I have legally purchased. I know of friends on Steam who are more tech-savvier than me and bought mroe than 60 games legally with real cash.
not to mention I have bought several games for the ps3 as well and I have zero interest in using pirated software. If i like a demo of a particular software and feel that I won't live without it, i will buy it. otherwise i will simply not use it. it couldn't be any simpler than that.
I'm anything buy a retarded coward, thief. I understand nobody likes to work for free and watch their fruits of labor get stolen right in front of their eyes with law enforcement being unable to do anything about it.
I wish retarded pirates would someday get into a similar mindset and say no to piracy for once and for all - Vektuz, on 01/01/2009, -1/+6It doesn't make it any easier to actually make linux games though
- bjornski, on 01/01/2009, -1/+5Ah, so learning economics by playing SimCity then?
- MattBD, on 01/01/2009, -0/+4I wish that more game developers would open-source games after a few years when they aren't selling copies anymore. Some do, but they are very much in the minority. If they did, we could have access to a rich legacy of games across all formats, not just Linux.
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