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- ptFoe, on 12/13/2007, -14/+96Screw this Vista-like BS, how about Compiz-like?
- MackPrime, on 12/13/2007, -3/+73so you can see stuff try to sneak up on you
- Vinvin, on 12/13/2007, -4/+50Too bad Ars call him "GNOME theme", as it's really "GTK theme" and can be just as well on Xfce. In fact, it's mostly first choice on Xfce because it's light-weight, as opposed to, say, Clearlooks.
- Realz, on 12/13/2007, -5/+34/Waits for MS paid bloggers to say....linux again steals features from Microsoft
- drgn, on 12/13/2007, -1/+21How else should anyone notice *progress*? People are stuck with the same "window management" ideas and desktop metaphors for almost 30 years already ... until something better comes along, the only way to sell new computers is to make everything translucent and reflecting.
- dschep, on 12/13/2007, -0/+20Not exactly, gtk's lack of transparency (and qt's for now too iirc) made it that only the borders could have nice pretty transparency unless you made the whole windows transparent a certain amount. This even needs compiz (or some other compositing window manager) to work. Saying something that is a new feature that relies on compiz is compiz-ish would be stupid.
- mroberts, on 12/13/2007, -1/+20@fragsta: Having a reference web page behind an editor... At least that's why I use translucency.
- CoolGoose, on 12/13/2007, -1/+16Compiz isn't the only compositing window manager.
- ArthurArchnix, on 12/13/2007, -1/+16We're long past the day when computers ought to be merely useful. Our screens are the canvas of a new generation, and Linux users are doubly creative to begin with.
- marvy, on 12/13/2007, -0/+15From what I've seen of Vista (not much, I must admit), the transparency effect includes blurring out the background (similar to the menus in Mac OS Leopard). This makes the foreground much more readable. Unfortunately, the article states that the author uses color maps, which works nicely for transparency, but is hardly usable to create a gaussian blur.
- arekarek, on 12/13/2007, -1/+14Microsoft didn't invent transparency.
They would love to patent it, but... - MeneerR, on 12/13/2007, -1/+14Like paperclips?
- regeya, on 12/13/2007, -2/+15Yep...those MS fanboys will be trashing Linux for trying to be like Vista, and if there's a story later about Linux distros taking Windows marketshare they'll trash Linux for not being enough like Windows.
- geminitojanus, on 12/13/2007, -1/+14"(someone has developed a patch already, but to get it accepted to Gnome through all its red tape would take a decade)"
Actually that patch is absolute garbage, no surprises GNOME didn't like it. Specifically, it checks for a Compiz atom and adjusts based on it, when instead it should be checking to see if the X server supports compositing and then set the background transparency. It's still a 10 line patch, but if you go ahead and generate it this way and submit it to Alex (the main Nautilus dev right now) I'm certain he'll push it into 2.22. There is no "red tape" here, just incompetence and misunderstanding of the situation. - ukblacknight, on 12/13/2007, -2/+14Maybe theres a niche of linux users who like glass like effects? Therefore someone is catering for that niche. Thats generally how the community works.
- arbulus, on 12/13/2007, -1/+12"It looks like you are trying to write a letter"
- ukblacknight, on 12/13/2007, -4/+15I'd rather see more work done on making the GUI more compact, offering more usable screen real estate. Gnome 1280x1024 feels like Windows in 1024x768. To me, they're just trying to prove they can keep up with the Jones'.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11We also smear each other's privates with condiments, and then invite barnyard animals in.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11The linux transparency manages to work well on 1ghz/512mb systems, Vista's requirements for the same thing are ludicrous.
- Zippo, on 12/13/2007, -0/+11I must say, Linux has certainly come along over the past few years. I know that the backbone of the OS is what really matters, but it's really nice to see the free software getting the nice, professional eye candy. It's really the icing of the cake.
- Hades32, on 12/13/2007, -3/+14Transparency != Glass Effect
- DonAndy, on 12/13/2007, -0/+10I dunno, but I like transparent windows. I mean I heard there are some people who paint theirs' black, but that kinda defeats the whole purpose of windows.
- MeneerR, on 12/13/2007, -1/+11I would love to switch to KDE4. I would love to be able to customize as much as I want to. But don't force me to customize because the default interface makes no sense. Rename your apps to normal names, unclutter the menu's by default. And hide all toolbar buttons and functionality that is not used by 90% of the users. Just turn them into extensions, or stuff we can 'turn on' for those 5 apps we actually use as powerusers.
Gnome sucks with its policies. But its interface is lean and sane. If only the KDE gods would make this priority number one as well. Without the gnome legacy mess, their anti-tweak attitude and their weak architecture. - inactive, on 12/13/2007, -2/+12you are more likely to see a unpaid Mac blogger do that then an MS paid blogger
- muppethouse, on 12/13/2007, -0/+10I believe macslow deserves some credit for creating these widgits please. Read his blog post on the subject here
http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=150 - SimonGray, on 12/13/2007, -0/+9Nothing in his post indicates that he thought otherwise.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8There already are drop shadows. The fireworks can be setup to occur when a window is minimised/restored or closed/open (well technically they are more magical sparkles).
If you don't like effects don't enable them. - sirdaz, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8You missed the idea completely..
think.. tracing? - ukblacknight, on 12/13/2007, -1/+9I wouldn't say they're stupid, some people may have legitimate reasons for it, i.e. mrboerts in the post below. You don't HAVE to use it. I personally wouldn't use it either, but saying they're stupid because of something they might have a personal preference to is ignorant.
- ukblacknight, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8Woah stop there... keep your secret massage activities to yourself!
- UKsHaDoW, on 12/13/2007, -1/+9There are cleartype text libaries you can install. Although disto's don't like to use because of patents again *sigh*
- ukblacknight, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8Grow up!!!!!11111two
- geminitojanus, on 12/13/2007, -0/+8X Windows development uses "Atoms", basically global integer variables that point to a string or string table, to identify software and to pass information from e.g. Window managers to X and back. Compiz uses an atom to identify when it is the running WM, and the patch in question checks to see if that atom is available. If it isn't, then Compiz isn't running, and it continues on its merry way.
This is completely wrong, as another window manager that supports compositing may be running (Metacity, Beryl on old machines, KWin, CairoComposite, Enlightenment's new CWM, etc.) However, we have this pretty function in GDK that checks if compositing is available (gdk_screen_is_composited) and that should be used instead, as it will return TRUE if *any* compositing manager is running. - idntunknwn, on 12/13/2007, -0/+7It *isn't* like Compiz at all. Show me how in Compiz you can get some widgets to be transparent and other widgets to be opaque.
Guess what, you can't. - multitude, on 12/13/2007, -0/+7@momshizzle, I looked at your profile and it seems that you just go around posting inane comments against Linux. Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
- TeacherOfHeroes, on 12/13/2007, -1/+8Try turning hinting off
- Cimi86, on 12/14/2007, -0/+7Hi guys, I'm Andrea Cimitan, the "man" :)
So I just want to reply to someone of you and specify few things.
First of all I'm not a Vista-Fanboy, this theme is not ment to *copy* Vista style BUT was essentially made to show you what Gtk can do with its current API. This article and test is about RGBA colormaps and their possibilities. So, as an example, I've shown a media player (that works :) perfectly). The Vista-like emerald theme was taken cause I wanted a transparent window-border :)
but don't blame me, unless you just want to do a flame or something absolutely useless (for the community) and irritating.
But don't go OT, I repeat this theme was done JUST for showing the possibilities, so... let's start making RGBA applications!
The requirements are just to set the usage of an RGBA colorpam in your gtk app, something like gtk_widget_set_colormap(colormap), with colormap an rgba colormap.
The result is that, if the engine is rgba capable you'll get a transparent window, otherwise just the classic ones :)
Another simple thing, doing trough gdk_screen_is_composited, is that the app will (obviusly) be transparent just with a composited window-manager, and if it can't find it, it just get the fallback classic view without any kind of glitches.
Said that, there's no special reason to don't make your apps rgba-capable :) Or to write applications just to use those features, like media players, of course or everything you like (that are available without any slowdown)
If you have intelligent questions (and not stupid flames) I'm there :)
(I hope to release the source code when I'll have a great modularity, I'm rewriting most of it to ensure a simple future development)
PS:
@muppethouse: MacSlow encouraged myself, but the code is mine
@vinvin: I'm developer of both engines (gnome 2.20 default theme is all by me), there's no longer speed difference between the two themes, clearlooks is now fast. A _slow_ gtk engine could be ubuntulooks (1,5 times slower), and MUCH slower then clearlooks is Aurora (3 times slower, 300% slower) - inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+8"Linux folks" refer to more than one entity as such they are capable of having a variety of viewpoints.
Personally I've always wanted transparency, I find it to be quite useful, you can view an example behind the window your typing in for instance. Or see when a console output has stopped spewing stuff behind a browser window without checking continiously.
Plus it just looks awesome.
Of course there are Linux users that say Transparency is stupid, there are Linux users that say GUI's are stupid, and there are users that make a very convincing argument for using punch cards over keyboards.
I'm sure there are heaps of windows people that also hate the transparency. - Muncher, on 12/13/2007, -5/+12Um, these effects "require a compositing window manager," so they're not Compiz-like, they ARE COMPIZ. Besides, look at the screenshots. If that's not Vista-like then I don't know what is.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -1/+8No. Pseudo-transparency has been available in Linux since the advent of the Enlightenment window manager in the late 1990s. True transparency has been available since the advent of publicly released XGL, which happened on January 2nd, 2006. In any event, it predates the windows version by quite a while, but not the OS X version, which was implemented in terminal.app three years earlier.
- andycr512, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6No, it's real. From the article:
"The translucency effects obviously require a compositing window manager, but the theme engine is designed so that the widgets will simply be rendered without transparency when no compositing window manager is present. "
No reason for requiring compositing other than it being real. - ptFoe, on 12/13/2007, -15/+21Now if the Nautilus developer can allow for transparent backgrounds, (someone has developed a patch already, but to get it accepted to Gnome through all its red tape would take a decade) we will be able to have different wallpapers on the workspaces using Compiz.
Anyway KDE4 is around the corner and we can all leave all the childish politics involved with Gnome. - jearsh, on 12/13/2007, -5/+11I'm sick of gnome-look and all of the X themes mocking Vista/OS X. Someone make a real theme.
- ArthurSucks, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6Linux: Two lines of code
Vista: Extra GIG of ram. - RoboDonut, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6Use xcompmgr. If you use a WM that supports external compositing managers (such as Fluxbox) you will get all the nice effects.
- UKsHaDoW, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6no it just means linux surports tastes for different people. not everybody on linux thinks its bloat.
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -0/+6I hope there is code released soon, I actually spent quite some time trying to get transparency in Murrine myself so I would love to see how he did it.
I even made a mock up on a simple theme style designed to work well with transparency: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Transparent ... - gavintlgold, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5I used to use OS X, and thought that the pulsing effects and (very subtle) transparency effects were neat. I also think vista's transparent windows are cool too. So I would be very happy to have something like this. Now other people who are from a different background might like to use the default gnome theme, but I personally think it's horribly ugly.
- UKsHaDoW, on 12/13/2007, -0/+5"Not found." :(
- inactive, on 12/13/2007, -3/+8"This makes the foreground much more readable."
So now we're blurring the crap behind the window, which makes it unreadable. But we're doing that to make the foreground readable. SO WTF IS THE POINT OF THE TRANSPARENCY TO BEGIN WITH? -
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