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- quarando, on 04/04/2009, -1/+29Gnome needs a major redesign of its interface. I will reserve judgment of gnome-shell until i use it. I am glad they have plans to do something, however. Gnome panel is starting to feel really outdated.
- LostOverThere, on 04/04/2009, -4/+28Am I the only one who hates the idea of Overlay? It just seems weird, distracting and awkward. :\
- tj111, on 04/03/2009, -1/+22The new "Overlay" thing seems like an integration of Gnome-Do into the desktop itself, instead of as a stand-alone program (similar to Mozilla wrapping Ubiquity into Firefox).
The Zeitgeist thing is what I really can't wait for, I've been dying to be able to tag, search, and sort files based on more than just a directory structure. Although I hope they make it work more like the AwesomeBar than the way it's set up in the video. - ilgaz, on 04/04/2009, -1/+17One thing makes me wonder... Does any of planned/beta Gnome 3 base or important features require Mono framework and/or Moonlight?
I gotta ask since Gnome foundation does nothing to distance themselves from .NET/Mono maintainer/lover/fan whatever Icaza. If it would be the case, it would really make things ugly especially on Linux/*BSD. - inactive, on 04/04/2009, -12/+25The biggest problem is that this will prevent Compiz from working with Gnome
Link to the"discussion" or fight between Gnome's Evil Empire and Compiz
http://www.mail-archive.com/desktop-devel-list@gno ... - Sammi84, on 04/04/2009, -0/+12Don't know if there already is, but there really should be a standard for tagging files. Should be organized through Freedesktop.org. Would be really annoying if Gnome and KDE were using different incompatible systems.
- kazamx, on 04/04/2009, -0/+11Why is this guy being buried? After reading through the mailing list, it does look like the new Gnome Shell will break Compiz at a fundamental level.
The Compiz guys are going to need to create and copy a load of code to make sure that people using Compiz can still do everything they can currently do. - renegadeafk, on 04/04/2009, -3/+14compiz is an awful unstable pos, all the devs put time into is ridiculous pointless effects. vsync doesn't even work on any video card i've used with it which is ridiculous for a 3d desktop which should remove tearing not make it worse.
- cabes, on 04/04/2009, -2/+12OM GNOME GNOME
- JoaquimLeiteiro, on 04/04/2009, -0/+10Any idea how Zeitgeist relates to KDE's Akanodi?
I just looks as if it will duplicate things... or are the files created for tagging compatible? - rpgmakr, on 04/04/2009, -0/+9Well, KDE4 broke compatibility with most qt3 projects. This guy shouldn't be dugg down but in Gnome 3 we can expect a few things to break. I use compiz and I hope they work this out but we can't let compiz (which isn't as matured as gnome) to hold gnome back. I can't imagine the gnome development going any SLOWER.
- geoken, on 04/04/2009, -0/+8"You realize this is in the early planning stages right?"
So are you suggesting everyone should stop complaining, at which point the devs think there's nothing wrong with their horrendous UI and it ends up getting made like that.
That's why so much stuff gets messed up with OSS software. When people complain their basically told 'fix it or shut up'. They usually shut up because they couldn't care less about the project and were only commenting because they hoped they could stop it from turning out like a steaming pile of turds. - quarando, on 04/04/2009, -0/+8Although I can't answer definitively, the last I heard was that Gnome had accepted mono as an official platform for developing applications, but it was not approved for use in the core desktop. Gnome shell is being developed by Red Hat people and Red Hat isn't big on mono. My guess is that this policy will remain in place for Gnome 3.0 as I can't image that the gnome foundation has bridged the major political divisions that exist around mono.
But I haven't been paying very close attention over the last year, so it is possible things are now different. - geoken, on 04/04/2009, -1/+8Can you bring up one problem with the gnome panel that this fixes? Or more specifically, one problem that this can fix that cant be fixed with a traditional panel?
- MWeather, on 04/04/2009, -0/+7You can use e17 with Gnome and KDE. You're confusing Desktop environments and window managers. Gnome used the Enlightenment window manager, and KDE4 uses the KWin window manager. Both desktop environments are capable of using other window managers.
- SmSpillaz, on 04/05/2009, -0/+7And you think we have the time for that? We have 4 developers - I don't see how GNOME can't make small changes to prevent us from doing craploads of code duplication.
- mcrules, on 04/04/2009, -0/+7I dunno, I am in two minds about this. I do like the look (from the mockup) but I am not sure if I want to give up the Desktop. Instead of re-inventing the wheel or trying to be clever and implementing ideas which could be added as an add-on, why not update Metacity to do compositing, improve the look and feel of the existing interface and above all, go over to one taskbar, we don't need two. Sure, have a clever search feature. Sure improve eye candy, but please please please don't tinker with basic functionality
- chowmeined, on 04/04/2009, -0/+7Compiz isn't a gnome project.
- Shizlak, on 04/04/2009, -2/+9md10 is right. How is Gnome Shell better, more usable or more efficient? I get that its new and different, but it really seems like pointless added mouse clicks and extra delays. The virtual desktop window dragging just seems like manual expose (or scale, or whatever the linux version is called). All that automatic window resizing seems like it would piss me off. The new application menu seems like tedious mouse clicks. All for the sake of newness. So.. how is this better?
- computerdan000, on 04/05/2009, -0/+7KDE 4 actually has some pretty neat desktop effects which negates the need for Compiz.
- FreeBooteR69, on 04/04/2009, -0/+6I've prefered Gnome wm over KDE myself, but if i weren't able to have my compiz i would dump Gnome in a second.
- OCPaul, on 04/05/2009, -1/+7Gnome Shells does look pimp tho http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpndKUx4pc
- inactive, on 04/04/2009, -2/+7I just thought Zeitgeist was okay, Siamese Dream is their best album though, by far.
- wakingrufus, on 04/04/2009, -1/+6Zeitgeist looks amazing. I can't wait!
- ilgaz, on 04/05/2009, -0/+5KDE 4 is based on Qt 4 which is a radical shift from previous Qt versions.
Right now, I can use Konqueror of KDE4 as a native Application of OS X and it even has a native icon. Same deal on Windows.
They (KDE and Qt) have very good explanation about it. Does Gnome have explanation beside "Because we think so!" ?
Another thing is, Qt3, Qt4 and even Qt2 (and 1!) apps can co-exist together with very minor compile tricks (not hacks). It is exactly what I have here now on OS X, both the entire KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.2.2 running. In fact, KDE 4.2.2 has both native OS X and X11 versions.
At some point, KDE 4+ will run happily on Nokia/Symbian devices or anything running free Symbian platform, even including some high end TV sets. - LucasHenderson, on 04/04/2009, -0/+5I'll be happy, as long as A)You can continue to go through your files however you want, with zeitgeist as just one option, and B) It is possible to do without the panel entirely, and just use something like Gnome Do Docky, or AWN.
- BilliD, on 04/04/2009, -0/+5no no no no! dont ruin such a beautiful thing we currently have!
this feels so wierd and its a little too "out of the box."
whatever happened to clean and simple? that's what gnome is known for. - HonoredMule, on 04/04/2009, -1/+6It kinda seems like they're hell-bent on destroying any good qualities their UI has. I'd far rather they get a decent networking/data source back-end like KDE has with KIO slaves.
- Leopards, on 04/05/2009, -0/+5I for one see nothing wrong with the menu system that we have at present! If I want to have favorite apps readily available, I just toss them into the top panel and click their icon to start! Neat easy and uncluttered! This looks more like change for the sake of change instead of an improvement!! Not all computers running gnome are netbooks, that is why they have special editions of the distros for them!!
- SmSpillaz, on 04/05/2009, -0/+5Disappointing unfortunately - GNOME shell basically takes away from the user their ability to use whatever window manager they want. If you launch another WM you lose your panel.
- Shizlak, on 04/04/2009, -6/+10Unbelieveable. Compiz is Linux's biggest differentiator and the most effective way to get someone to try Linux. No one is going to want the boring shell with no bling.
- SmSpillaz, on 04/05/2009, -0/+4You'd see tearing in shell anyways, they both use ext_tfp
- SmSpillaz, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4@renegadeafk: VSync only works where framebuffer_objects are supported in the driver - i.e it works on NVIDIA, XGL and DRI2 and nothing else =)
- SmSpillaz, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4@Joh7379
It is enabled by default. It's probably your distro disabling it for the 'speedup' (For those who don't know, Sync to VBlank essentially ensures that compiz displays at the same rate that a monitor would refresh at i.e 60FPS. The problem with it is that in order to keep preventing tearing, if the actual framerate falls below 60FPS then we have to display at 30FPS and so on so that the image will remain in sync with the monitor) - Joh739, on 04/05/2009, -0/+4Sorry VSync DOES work, only some stupid developers placed the config somewhere where most fokes won't be able to find it.
To enable this go to the 'CompizConfig settings Manager' and then click the 'General Options' button and under the 'Display Settings' you find 'Sync To VBlank' enable this and with maybe an restart you will have it working.
Does anybody know why the devs haven't enabled this by default? - geoken, on 04/04/2009, -0/+4Why is this being called an overlay? An overlay, by definition and purpose, doesn't effect the things beneath it. When the 'overlay' moves everything around it's no longer an overlay, it's just a regular in-line element.
- HonoredMule, on 04/05/2009, -1/+5To be the same, it would have to actually work ubiquitously.
How pathetic is it that I can't browse to or specify a path to a file on a Samba share in a file open dialog? Nevermind /obscure/ or slightly less prominent protocols like WebDAV or LDAP...
If your remote access framework requires stuff to first be mounted locally, you fail, MISERABLY. - hansrodtang, on 04/04/2009, -1/+5Zeitgeist sounds awesome. Finding files by folders is outdated.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 04/04/2009, -0/+3Is GIO bad? I thought it's basically the same, just for GNOME.
- renegadeafk, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3I know where the hell it is and have tried many many workaround trying to get it to work and am an experienced linux user when enabled it simply doesn't work.
- ilgaz, on 04/05/2009, -1/+4As a person who loved Gnome 1 and 2 until the Icaza fell in love with Microsoft, I would really become sad if Gnome is declined by even more people because they really don't like the idea of accepting/allowing Microsoft patents. It would totally kill competition and would even become bad for KDE since the nice competition between them made the KDE and Gnome come to this point.
How come such advanced people don't see the Mono hurts them? Gnome itself was created because the Trolltech guys acted strange about GPL, nothing else. After years, Nokia totally solved the situation as a multi billion dollar company who doesn't care about the money on that matter. Poor trolltech had to care, can't blame them.
When same project lets Microsoft to board (via trojan)... It is really strange you know... - KAMiKAZOW, on 04/05/2009, -1/+4As someone who actually uses KDE (4.2), GNOME (2.24), Mac OS X (10.5), and Windows (Vista), I can honestly say that your "Windows/KDE vs. Gnome/OSX" claim is totally wrong. KDE and Windows are not one group and GNOME and Mac OS X another group.
KDE ditched the traditional desktop metaphor over one year ago and now offers with Plasma, Folder View, and Activities something different. The path was rocky at 4.0, but things started to fall into place with 4.1.
GNOME wants to take a path away from the traditional desktop with Shell. Let's see how it works out. So far I've only seen screen shots of Shell, not actually used it. I'm curious to give Shell a try.
Mac OS X on one hand offers a very traditional desktop, OTOH introduced nifty back-end technologies like Spotlight and CoreAnimation years ago. Some of OSX's features only recently enter the free desktops (Spotlight: KDE with Nepomuk and GNOME with Zeitgeist. CoreAnimation: Kinetic and Clutter).
An then there's Windows. Vista seems to me like an "Me Too!" OS on all UI fronts and judging from screen shots, Win7 just copies OSX more (task bare made into a Dock). It's nowhere like the "Try something completely different" path of KDE 4.x and GNOME 3.x. - Guspaz, on 04/04/2009, -2/+5Uh huh... Getting rid of the "old" panel...
This is looking like a disruptive enough change that I'd switch to KDE, which still uses a fairly conventional UI. - drag, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3> To be the same, it would have to actually work ubiquitously.
So tell me again.. How well does KIOSlave work with Firefox? Oh. wait.. KIO objects don't work with non-KDE stuff. I guess KDE fails hard on that one.
> How pathetic is it that I can't browse to or specify a path to a file on a Samba share in a file open dialog? Nevermind /obscure/ or slightly less prominent protocols like WebDAV or LDAP...
WTF are you talking about? Are you telling me that you never heard of Gnome-VFS or GVFS?
Open up a Nautilus window. Hit ctrl-l to open up the URL bar.
Type:
dav://yourserver.com/share/
Or
smb://servername/sharename
Or
sftp://serversname/path/to/folder
etc etc.
> If your remote access framework requires stuff to first be mounted locally, you fail, MISERABLY.
You fail miserably. Next time actually use Gnome before complaining about how much it sucks. - Origin415, on 04/05/2009, -0/+2Starting to look worse than KDE.
- Origin415, on 04/05/2009, -0/+2It adds an extra step to everything, extremely intrusive. Press a button to open up what used to be my permanent menubar? No thanks.
- scottuss, on 04/05/2009, -1/+3I'm not sure about this, I kinda like how my Gnome desktop looks simple and clean. This is starting to look too much KDE like... and I don't like that!
- InorganicMatter, on 04/20/2009, -0/+2I'm calling it right now: GNOME 3 will be a disaster and will accelerate the remaining distros to move exclusively to KDE 4.2. When you break that many things (Compiz being a biggie), and start using scripting languages like JavaScript at the low level, nothing good happens. Permanently changing the look and feel with no way to use the old look is a surefire way to drive away many GNOME veterans.
- sexycatsinhats, on 04/05/2009, -0/+2Finally, a new major feature! Its about time for Gnome.
- burrgrinder, on 04/08/2009, -0/+2HonoredMule:
You can programmatically mount and access drives...whats your point? Filesystems in userspace are not a big deal. It's no different than having to supply login credentials to a database before being allowed to make changes, you have to mount filesystems before you make changes.
KAMiKAZOW: I know the Windows/KDE, Gnome/OSX comparisons aren't perfect, but its close, and it definitely fits here. Windows and KDE will generally let you modify remote data sources without mounting them as drives. Gnome and OSX both generally mount data sources before using them. -
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