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- slamtv7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Personally I think KDE's "eyecandy" looks preety ugly.. so I prefer GNOME's simplicity
- NTolerance, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Bwahaha. The save/open dialog in gnome/gtk2 is the most horrid piece of trash ever.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Have they included a "thumbnail view" in the file upload dialog box yet?
- Megatog615, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Oh gee what feature did they DISABLE this time?
- pavpanchekha, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Please... If you simple want to bash GNOME, then go to your respective forums and do it there. If you have nothing constructive to add, LEAVE.
BTW, you say gnome is more windows-oriented, then say windows users are more comfortable with KDE... go figure. Then again people don't think flames through... - yourgranny, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5u get dugg down for being a troll you *****. "Gnome is for idiots." what did u expect. you just insulted a bunch of people.
- tmahmood, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8you use GNOME or KDE thats YOUR Matter for Gods sake... Stop trolling around.
I really like the new theme selection dialog :p - NoTiG, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7mono is a non patent encumbered implementation of an open standard (.NET) . I fail to see the reason for such fear
- trogdoor, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Maybe that's because nether is more or less like windows but Gnome is easier? I am not saying that that is the case, it is a matter of personal preference, but I haven't used windows as my main OS since 3.1 and I prefer Gnome also. Someone who is used to windows liking Gnome != Gnome being more like windows than KDE.
- yevkasem, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3http://www.osnews.com/story.php/12956/Torvalds-Use-KDE.
ever since linus torvalds posted his opinion on the two desktops, i've been hearing his groupies repeating the same message over and over. if you really don't like gnome, 1) this isn't the place, 2) post some _original_ complaints against it. - Cherubim, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Gnome is nothing like Windows, you retard. Take your mindless trolling somewhere else.
- AirRaven, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8You appear to have not grasped the point of new GNOME releases.
*Add* things? *GNOME*? - daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"...and the geeks who care still have not been laid." said the geek who cared enough to register on digg and reply to this news.
- altgeeky1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5I'm also looking forward to the mobile-specific enhancements they've been working on. As a Nokia N800 user, I'm floored by the amount of shared code between the Maemo desktop and Gnome. Of course, such changes are hidden, and give the above 2 KDE trolls room to bash GNOME (guys, if you've nothing productive to add, that speaks volumes. Time spent bashing GNOME also means you're not spending any time on improving KDE, and as such, you're just being a whining slacker.).
- danomagnum, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5I have to agree that gnome is not good, but for idiots? c'mon. To each his own.
- Iandefor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3"But my Gnome is so instable and slow in Ubuntu Gutsy testing that it forced me to try it deeper, and I have to say I was quite amazed what I can do."-- You're relying on alpha software to give you an impression of the product's performance and stability?
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2But the KDE apps are more powerfull, that I have to admit. It's just that a prefer a car when I don't need a bus.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"It is still very important that GNOME developers keep Mono dependencies out of the core of GNOME."
I don't think they gonna do it though: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/01/gnome_to_be_based/
When I read that article I thought that Icaza was some kind of Gnome overlord and the voices of the others developers didn't matter. I understand the Icaza's point but why depend on a Microsoft technology? I know that they use the part of .net covered under the ECMA/ISO but when you promote your project as an 'Open .Net' you're just aiming it as a FUD/lawsuits target. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Here is the rms response, I found it just now: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/05/explain_yourself_miguel_demands_rms/
- mossblaser, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3While I use GNOME myself I feel that KDE is generaly superiour. The only reason I use GNOME is because it gets the job done with little configuration. For some boxes I use KDE - ones where I really want everything to work exactly as I dictate, but for most things GNOME does its job and is unobtrusive. Because something is simple doesn't mean its for idiots. Remember a good programmer is a lazy programmer - they get the job done with as little effort as possible - and for my DE, I want the job doing with as little effort as possible (in most cases).
- strabes, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You can't be talking about KDE...?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1See my comment below.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Idiots? Why don't you go open a chat-box on your KDE desktop and explain why the ***** there are alignment buttons in the toolbar. Who the hell needs alignment buttons. All these buttons, all the options.
Some of us ACTUALLY USE an operating system to do SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. We don't need 10,000 dumb-ass buttons that no sane person would ever need on their screen BY DEFAULT.
I don't 10 ways to start my car. I need ONE way. One way that works good. KDE moves design choices to its users. KDE can be usable. But you have to spent a week tweaking and configuring it. And then its still goddamn ugly.
Not to mention that most of their programs are powerfull, yet design monstrosities. I love what Amarok can do. I hate how it does it. Have you ever seen a program with a worse interface? (yeah, ok windows media player, fair enough, but still ..) - daftman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3I see a reason to fear, especially when Microsoft is threatening that Linux violate 250+ patents. Does open standard means that it isn't patent encumbered? No. mpeg, jpeg are all patent encumbered and they are all open standards.
Mono might not be a patent encumbered implementation but can you GUARANTEE that (.NET) isn't patent encumbered? If more and more software are built on top of Mono, can you GUARANTEE that one day Microsoft won't use .NET as a leverage to sue for Mono infringement of patent?
I don't think so. - MrTea, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I believe that's an issue with gtk2, not gnome.
- mossblaser, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right - all this coming from some 13 year old - yeah lets take that seriously. I mean come on - who, over the age of 14 or 15 has refereed to their siblings as something like "Big Sister"?
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Not all geeks are like you. Some of them actually do get laid. You just wouldn't know, being all alone in your stereotypical world.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's not about intelligence. It's about productivity. KDE is like the IKEA of the desktop. It can be anything, but YOU have to do it. The default setup is horrible. Alignment-buttons in chat-windows. And where's the Amarok give-me-the-same-nice-features-in-an-interface-that-doesnt-suck option? Haven't found it.
And the menu? Who organized this? The mess in the menu alone with a default KDE install should tell us all there is too know about KDE. It can make you do anything. But it won't take care of anything for you. It won't keep your menu's clean and organized. It won't give you sensible options on the screen by default (and the rest hidden). I mean the stuff they pollute the toolbars with. It's nice that its possible, but can't it be hidden by default? Nobody uses it. Ever.
Find me one person that wants to align its ***** text in a chat-window? Exactly. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey, what if I sell you all the pieces of a car instead of a car? Way more powerfull, you can make any car you want! Yet I don't think i'm going to sell many of these boxes. Then again, IKEA might prove me wrong..
- buggu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Most people want to work or pass time on the computer. For that they require an interface that is simple, usable and easy when navigating around the computer's various options. Just because KDE has a lot of options to configure does not make it more powerful. People (mostly KDE users) think that the hundreds of options available somehow make the application a whole lot better than others. You're confusing complexity with flexibility, when the KDE interface is one of the its worst put off for many people. It has been said before and I'll say it again - if you design a good interface, you don't need to have the kind of customization available in KDE. Sure I can change all the icons in the toolbar, but it's still a mess. And there are many trivial options that are missing from KDE but available in Gnome (in Konqueror I can change the whole toolbar to my needs, but I can't hide the statusbar, something that's been in Firefox and Nautilus for as long as I've been using them). Many applications have toolbars stacked on top of each other with non-descript icons (Gwenview, Kopete). KDE3 never followed a HIG - it's this behind in the design department and there is no excuse for that. Now KDE has a lot of good applications, a few of which are well-designed (Amarok and Konversation being the primary two) but they are the exception in a desktop that is a horrible mess of interface. Thankfully they are rectifying this issue with KDE4 by adopting to a HIG, but they've only just begun working with a philosophy Gnome has pushed from day one - simplicity and consistency in interface. Until then don't tell other people which DE is right, because KDE is a lot behind in what matters to the average user.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Can you point me a thing that I can not do on gnome? I mean, I know is simple (that's why I like it) but it is not bad at all.
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Novell got Mono exemptions,. Xandros and Linspire explicitly did not. Watch the deals and contracts. I'm watching these things. They have a plan.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Funny that you talk like a 13-year old then. Most grown-ups have more ehm.. social skills?
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2No, he's saying that opensource only satisfies the type of users that have that iq to report a bug to the developper instead of just bragging on Digg about it.
- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Wow, replace "GNOME" with "MS Windows" and it's the OTHER old tired argument that's always on digg.
- mossblaser, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0@MeneerR
I see your points - i never thought of it that way but you are quite right. The menu however is my only major bugbare with KDE - it takes me a good 10-20 minutes to go through the menu and remove all the crap and put things in sensible folders. Mind you it is probably like the GNOME settings menu: You just get used to it after a while and begin to find it useful - when I spent my first year in linux (on KDE primarily) I certainly did. - Stonekeeper, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1over9 - seriously, you keep banging on about this in every Gnome related article. It's getting tiring. Digg is *NOT* the bugtracker for Gnome. If you want that functionality, go talk to people who care, or even better, donate some money for it to be done.
- jejones, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Besides, someone in a library could turn the volume up.
- marx2k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Open source doesn't work by complaining about bugs/features on unrelated forums. You may as well post about this on a pie making blog, as it will get you the same results
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Dude, KDE is powerfull, but is UUUUGGGLY. Come on, have you no taste?
Gnome aint no OS-X. But damn, KDE makes horse-***** look artistic.. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well, lets see all those being accussed of trolling are calling ehm gnome users IDIOTS.
That is not a personal preference. That's just insulting. If one thing, i would use gnome not be amoung those kind of kids. - sebzzz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1If you read correctly, I said that the Gnome instability in Gutsy (which is perfectly normal) forced me to give KDE an other chance, and I quite liked my experience.
- twelvedogs, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2erm, the only way in which mono is not patent encumbered is that microsoft have promised not to sue... absolutely nothing written down and microsoft have many many patents on core .net technologies. A lot of people are afraid that they are just waiting for it to be heavily used by oss to decide to start suing people, me i don't think this is the plan but i don't trust microsoft to do what they say they're going to do at all.
Novell have some more info about how they're dealing with the patents on this page http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing which states they are trying to a. work around the patents, b. remove any code functionality that may infringe on patents, and c. find prior art that invalidates the patents... all of which is great stuff but i'd just rather they'd put all this time and effort into something not dependent on microsoft's whim. - sebzzz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1What's shocks me the most is that nowadays, giving a simple personal preference is trolling.
- sebzzz, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Well, I'm not happy to say that, but after about 4 years of Gnome using, I've been switching to KDE and now I'm not planning on going back, and I'm looking forward to KDE4.
The reason why I didn't let a chance to KDE before was that I found the basic desktop layout so ugly. But my Gnome is so instable and slow in Ubuntu Gutsy testing that it forced me to try it deeper, and I have to say I was quite amazed what I can do.
So far I miss little things from Gnome, but I'm pretty sure it will get fixed. I like the Amorak music player and Katapult a lot. However, Ubuntu seems to get more love than Kubuntu and Compiz Fusion doesn't work right of the box.
BTW, I don't want to start a war here, just tell my experience with both DEs. I've always been the guy looking for bleeding edge, new features and ground breaking enhancements, and I was always looking for that in Gnome, and was a bit disappointed I guess. As time goes, features improvements seem to get more and more boring. Things like putting all the appearance settings in the same windows could not be more of a dull thing for the bleeding edge guy. - angrykeyboarder, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2The ability to adjust the volume. Just like with screensavers, any computer needing volume adjustment "is inherently broken"
- Ufomies, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Well, sometimes I'm using a Fluxbox for those machines that don't need any eyecandy, if they still need an X at all to run, but I've introduced about 20 people to a Linux environment. 15-16 of them think that KDE is the ultimate desktop environment. The rest are pretty much able to cope with any desktop environment and too polite to complain about anything. Some of them are using Gnome. But most of the intelligent people, that I know of, are using KDE. Maybe it's more like a natural choice than a choice of intelligence, as some monkeys like some other monkeys better than others. Go figure.
- Ufomies, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0Sorry, didn't mean to expand the conversation to another thread, but anyways... Uhmm... GNOME is simple and YES, it's very useful from those people, who KNOW what they want to do with their graphical interface and what they want to do with their terminals and MOST OF ALL, HOW to do it in the way they prefer. Unfortunately, most of the people I know, just want their computers to work in a very flexible way. Gnome doesn't really cover that, does it? I mean, you are allowed to do some things for your enviroment and that's it. The borderline is very steep and after that, it's just a huge cliff waiting for you.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1So you're saying open source does not work. And you call missing a major feature a bug?
- Ufomies, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1Quick and simple app launcher? You are actually saying that Gaim could ever compete with Kopete? Or that you would ever want to use anything else than Kopete? Or Konqueror for your web surfing and file management? That's exactly what I'm complaining about. Gnome is simple. Sometimes simple is good, especially when it comes to a user interface, but Gnome has a lot of accessories, that aren't really competing with KDE's accessories. I know, it's not Gnome's fault, but as Gnome is such an simplified desktop manager, it's also very, very limited, which means that most of the people need more. I'm not really bashing Gnome, but just their users, since I think they're pretty much proven themselves to be idiots. And yes, some of my friends use Gnome. We are always fighting about this among each other.
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