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- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -4/+40looks nothing like KDE
Thank god. - wedderburn, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36i didn't see any over gloss on the icons or a million useless settings....
- luperry, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31nope. clean and simple, nothing like KDE.
unless you are talking about the theme, which shouldn't be used as a base for comparison anyways. - justnick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19It wasn't that funny though.
- jon314, on 10/12/2007, -12/+27@luperry:
KDE can be as clean and simple as you like. It's endlessly customizable. In fact, you can make it look just like that screenshot there in no more than a couple of minutes.
@wedderburn:
psst, you don't have to touch any of those setting if you find them useless. Someone else, however, might find a use for them.
@blizzok:
No need to start a flamewar. I know you probably didn't mean to but that comment... yeah.
Anyway, both DEs are nice. There. Now let's all relax and go back to criticizing windows. =) - bestadvocate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18The upgrades to Rhythmbox alone are impressive.
- psxman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+162.19 would be the unstable version. You wouldn't be interested in it.
Instead, you're supposed to be waiting for 2.20, which will be out six months from now. - AdamZ, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Rhythmbox isn't actually an official part of gnome yet, but yes, recent development has been awesome.
>What are the updates to Rhythmbox? I can't seem to track that info down.
Most recently:
- Support for writing to generic USB mp3 players (still has some bugs, but is otherwise awesome)
- Support for buying music from Magnatune
- Support for Jamendo
- Not sure how new this is, but: support for playing Last.fm neighbor radio, etc.
- Source lists are separated into groups
- Various other things I can't recall at the moment - sunexplodes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14What are the updates to Rhythmbox? I can't seem to track that info down.
- arcterex, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Is it just me or is there really not a lot to get excited about in this release? Don't get me wrong, I'm a GNOME fanboy, but when your release notes list a new volume control as a major feature.....
I'm just sayin' is all. - jon314, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12@luperry
I'm not Gnome illiterate either. I tried it out for the past few months but I switched to KDE because of its customizability. I like both though and I know that there different people like different things. I don't understand this need to rip up each other's preferred DEs at every opportunity. They both have merit and they are both useful for different people. I like having all those options in KDE. If I wanted a clean desktop I'd go for XFCE (because it's much snappier than gnome and shares some of the look) or Openbox+pypanel (now that's clean for you) or ratpoison. Well, okay, maybe not ratpoison--that is a little extreme. =D
What's so cluttered about KDE, anyway? Is it the menu? It is a little annoying that they have all that stuff crammed in there but that's easily fixed. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11System-wide is kind of outside of the realm of GNOME. It'd be more appropriate to apply a system-wide equalizer to ALSA so that all applications would take advantage of it, but that would require a lot of support updates on a lot of applications.
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9there is an equalizer in the cvs version of gstreamer-plugins-ugly i hear
- aNoble, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'd never heard of Seahorse before. I just installed it (it's in the Edgy Universe repository) and it's pretty nice.
- sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8it wont be (unless maybe in backports). You will see it in feisty though.
- ptFoe, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13I don't see the kiddie kluttered (k on purpose, before some nerd goes off at me) look of KDE.
- sunexplodes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9There IS. It's been in preferences as long as I've been using it. Like, the main panel of preferences.
- ViceVirtue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Ohh, nice ;) I see they render his beard using Cairo now!
- KaserPro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8and a kernel hacker has exactly the same needs as a person surfing the interweb, or using maya/shake etc.
- MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I was hoping for a system-wide equalizer. :(
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The menu bars are configurable...you can arrange them and modify them to you liking.
- ptFoe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Is there an option to set the font size on tomboy. It is ridiculous that there is no way to do this currently.
- lengau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The Ubuntu release cycle is scheduled around the GNOME release cycle (they put the final version of GNOME in shortly before going into beta, IIRC). This is why you probably won't see GNOME 2.18 in Edgy, whereas you do se KDE 3.5.6 repositories for Edgy (maintained by Jonathan Riddell, the lead Kubuntu developer - Edgy comes with [IIRC] 3.5.4) - KDE's release cycle is very different from GNOME's (and thus Ubuntu's). So in order to get the latest GNOME, you'll probably have to upgrade to Feisty.
That being said, Feisty is awesome and I'd recommend that if you don't mind stuff breaking (there are still a couple of minor problems), to upgrade (although I haven't used GNOME in feisty yet). - blackyiraqi, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7this is what i got for Rhythmbox
Latest Version: 0.9.8
* move to SVN and move round lots of files. yay!
* use "friendly" date-time in track list (William Jon McCann)
* add visualisation plugin (Jonathan Matthew)
* support more lastfm:// URIs (Jonathan Matthew)
* split code out into a library common to plugins and the binary (Jonathan Matthew)
* display cover art in the tray icon tooltop and song-change notification (Ed Catmur)
* Magnatune improvements (Adam Zimmerman)
* core art improvements, support art for podcasts et al (Ed Catmur, Martin Szulecki)
* Python plugin improvements (James Livingston, Jonathan Matthew)
* add support for the Jamendo online catalogue (Guillaume Desmottes)
* support new Gnome "media key" mechanism (James Livingston, Jonathan Matthew)
* support track transfer for "generic" audio players, and improve iPod track transfer support, including transcoding (James Livingston)
* many build/run issues on Solaris (Irene Huang)
* Nokia N800 support (William Jon McCann)
* Many core improvements, for future work
* the usual pile of minor features and bug fixes
Updated Translations
* ca Jordi Mallach
* da Peter Bach
* de Hendrik Brandt
* en_CA Adam Weinberger
* en_GB David Lodge
* fr Jonathan Ernst and Stehane Raimbault
* gl Ignacio Casal Quinteiro
* hi Gaurav Mishra (NEW)
* it Luca Ferretti
* lt Aygimantas Berua?ka
* nl Tino Meinen
* pl Artur Flinta and the Gnome Polish Team
* pt_BR Guilherme de S. Pastore
* sv Daniel Nylander
* vi Nguya
* Thai Ngac Duy
http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=423 - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Gnome has certainly come a very long way from the last time I used it. I think I might need to give it another go.
I cant help but note that it reminds me a lot of OS X with the permanent menu bar at the top. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
On another note, why do DE's now advertise and seemingly focus on options that frankly aren't part of the focus of a DE. Encode in mp3 and acc? What does that have to do with the user interface? Chances are I'm not gona be using whatever utility comes with my DE to encode audio. For that I would use the audio encoding app that I spent time researching and testing to find one that does a really good job. That's kind of like bragging about how Paint is included in Windows. Uhm... congratulations? I'll be over here using Photoshop.... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It's not a menu bar.
- tomarocco, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@subxero37: Have you tried Fluxbox? It comes pretty close to what you are describing.
- subxero37, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4About the MacOS-type menu bar: you've gotta think -- how many different possible user-friendly configurations can you choose for a desktop environment? It's almost a fact these days that there is a taskbar or a menubar somewhere on the screen that can't be overlapped by other windows -- it's not stealing from an certain OS, it's just that there's no seriously good way to accomplish the same thing now. An extra mouse button that opened a system-wide menu would solve it, but it would be unintuitive, weird to use (a menu to manage everything on your desktop?) and most mice don't have extra buttons except for those weird Microsoft mice.
It's simply the best way to accomplish an always-visible, consistent user interface. It's not stealing or imitating.
(I'm not accusing you of stating that it *is* stealing, either -- I'm just putting this here because I've wanted to say it for a while, and because this is a nice spot for it.) - jasz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I f'n love Rhythmbox.... I know KDE's Amarok has more features and stuff.. but Rhythmbox just looks so much nicer.
And for the Gnome updates... great.. I can't wait to get back home and install them :) - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I miss some creativity from the developers as well, but on the other hand the less changes you can see in the screen shots, the more there are bound to be under the hood.
- SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I don't think it does, but if you use Beryl 0.2 (which was released today as well) then you'll have that feature anyway.
- ptFoe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The menu bar is not permanent.
- luperry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@jon314
Well sure, so can you clutter up gnome if you just spend a few minutes.
and don't worry, I'm not KDE illiterate. - juhaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As is the Unix Way, the app that "does a really good job" is command line application, or library, so that everything can use it, and the gnome app is just a candy wrapper frontend for it, it does the exactly same job, just more easily.
- lengau, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe you'd like to try Ubuntu Feisty in the mean time? /joke
In all seriousness, though, when I used Gentoo (a couple of years ago - although I wasn't keeping up with GNOME development), it seemed to really fast with getting the ebuilds out.
Anyway, if you want the GNOME ebuilds, you could always unmask them. - blendmaster, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4woot! 2.18 is out on time! Now us gentoo linux users wait till Gnome 2.18 slowly makes its way into the portage tree. I understand there's a whole lot of testing and everything else to get the ebuilds up, but I don't like waiting till may or june before they are marked even unstable.
- Hyperreality, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's looking very nice!
- KaserPro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2John:
Thats the thing that annoys me, yes you can customise kde till it sprouts flowers, but its just i don't want that, i want it to work in a logical way right from the start.
I've been using gnome since redhat 6.2, and what i liked about it is that it was always cleaner and small than KDE (my dad used to swear by KDE so i used to have put a peg on my nose and use it if i wanted any serious power, or screen res (if i was using the gimp perhaps))
its horses for courses, gnome is is for people that don't like fancy stuff just want it to work, and KDE is for people who have water cooling and funny lights - luperry, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3gnome typically shows up on portage rather quickly(in a day or two). though it's always masked for a few months for testing, you can always unmask it to emerge it, if you are eager(I used to do that).
- Xenogis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I am pretty sure there is a feature lock on GNOME right now so most the changes will be minor such as improved stability and slight speed increases.
- smithj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2By the way, there are LiveCDs, VMWare images, HDD images (for qemu and parallels), and even MS VHD images so you can test out the new GNOME without having to install a new OS: http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/foresight/release?id=5451
Have fun! :) - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, I also think the development process has been less exciting for 2.18 and 2.16 than 2.12 or 2.8.
- Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -0/+1en_CA? Assuming that means Canadian English, what's the difference between that and American English?
/expecting a lame 'eh' joke but wanting a serious answer - captjc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I still wish they would implement a true Mac-style menu bar in Gnome (optional like in KDE). I know there are hacks for it[1], but it is still a bitch and does not work well with all apps. Maybe in 2.20 or 2.22.
[1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241868 - xtlosx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@luperry
why not just use the gnome-exoperimental svn... it's what i'm using and I have been slowly updating my 2.16 to 2.18.... most of the gnome apps are now 2.18 but some are still at 2.17... Within a week or two it will be all up to 2.18.. if you don't like waiting and can solve some problems on your own, give it a go! - Megatog615, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5How about an equalizer?
I mean, come on already! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@tupperbacharach
While Lisa did inherit a few characteristics from the Xerox Star (Stationary Pads, for one, which never made into modern Desktops), the menu bar was not one of them. What you see in the screen shots are just buttons; extra verbs associated with the window. Buttons for standard verbs (Open, Move, Copy, Delete, etc) aren't actually anywhere on the screen, but are buttons on the keyboard.
Pull-down menus were invented at Apple. They never existed on the Xerox Star, or Visi-On. In fact, the menu bar and pull-down menus appear in Apple prototypes in 1980, predating the release of the Star, anyway.
http://www.pegasus3d.com/apple_screens.html
Also, the "Dock" you think you see in Windows 1.0 is just the "Desktop" where minimized windows land. The behavior remained the same until Windows 95. The Dock was created by NeXT computer in 1988 and survives today in Mac OS X. - Bonzodog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Xfce 4.4 was relaeased a couple of weeks ago :D
I use Openbox...it's kinda cool. - Gecki, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4everyone seems to be waiting for Topaz, hopefully it will be something different, not that GNOME is bad, I use it everyday, but KDE4 seems to be having a major overhall making it flash and GNOME is just stuck in 2004.
- Ellsass, on 11/05/2008, -0/+1Never mind, I'm stupid, I forgot about the spelling (center vs. centre, favorite vs. favourite, etc.)
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