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- Misos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15All a matter of perspective. GNOME works better _for me_ than KDE does, Xfce works better _for me_ than GNOME does, and all three work better after doing some personal customization. Individuals are different, one size defintely does not fit all (not to say you were implying anything contrary). Competition gives us all more choices, and improves the quality of all the participating projects' product.
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Better, more informative link: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/en/
- ph713, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13
I recently switched to KDE from Gnome after hearing so many praises, having been using Gnome exclusively (of the two) for a few years now. I've been on KDE for about 3 months now, and while I was initially infatuated a bit, I'm now starting to loath it. Gnome was better for me. KDE may have more flash and pizzaz and apps, but Gnome Just Works, and gets a lot of little simple UI details "right" instead of awkward. I'm sure to some degree that's a perspective thing. I'm a coder/sysadmin type who's heavily saturated in the Unix way of doing things in general. For all of my simple everyday tasks, Gnome feels/looks/responds/behaves cleaner, simpler, and more correctly.
When I finally get around to switching back to Gnome (High on my priority list now is to build Xgl + Gnome 2.14), about the only thing I have a strong desire to take back with me is Amarok. - Jessehk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14KDE may be packed with features, but I find GNOME has much better polish then KDE.
While KDE may offer a new innovative feature that may, or may not work, GNOME is (at least in my experience) consistent. - zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Make it better how? By adding everything and the kitchen sink? By making the file manager browse the web, and give you backrubs? I don't think the lack of having every feature under the sun available it a bad thing. I'm actually looking forward to the possibility that 2.16's tagline might very well be "No New Features".
I like the simplicity of the UI. The main things that I want to see are fewer dependencies (coming with Project Ridley), and increased speed (which is happening all the time). Plus the less freeping creaturism the better, more time to ensure its stable, not that the periodic release schedule don't already help stop that.
Really all the features that I've wanted to see since the introduction of spatial mode for the file manager have been added. Those being Ctrl L as a universal shortcut, and a tree mode for spatial. - killerklown, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I like Gnome. I like to give it 20 to 30 extra apps for function and eyecandy every time a do a new install. Sometimes I check-out KDE but I always go back to Gnome. The best thing about it is it's lack of features. Unlike KDE you have to many. This way I can choose and pick my addons I want instead of being stuck with all the ones KDE has Dont get me wrong, you can do the same with KDE. But like I said your already loaded down with KDE then you start adding to it then you overwhelmed with stuff.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I don't really keep up on KDE much but GNOME has made some nice progress in the last year or so. The screenshots don't do it much justice. If GNOME doesn't do something you want -- chances are a GNOME panel or a GTK app out there does.
- mcdpa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10You can use the mouse in gnome-terminal, if that's what you mean. Anything highlighted goes right into the clipboard.
- zeebo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8No problem selecting text and copying it out of (or into) gnome terminal. Either selecting and right clicking where you want it to go, or shift+ctrl+c/v. Ctrl+C can't be used in the terminal for obvious reasons.
As for your dislike of gtk+, I dislike qt. So we're even. - PoptartKing, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Can't wait for FC5 to be released on Monday so I can try out the shiny new admin thingies. More excited for 2.16 though, if the GNOME team manages to pull through on the ideas outlined on the page. Yay shinies.
The reason I really love GNOME is that it seems a lot more "together" than KDE. Not only in the sense of not having hundreds of bajillions of options sprayed over a massive control panel, but in being integrated as well. It's quite tickling to add an event in Evolution and have it show up at the bottom of the calendar of Clock, or having Gaim (not a GNOME project, I know) contacts show up in Evolution. Maybe I didn't try KDE long enough, but it just didn't seem to have that level of integration. - zaofreek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6It won't be in Breezy, but you'll see it in Dapper (next version of Ubuntu), and [probably?] the Breezy Backports repositories soon after. Actually, the 2.14 packages started showing up in the Dapper repositories a few days ago.
- MarkByers, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9'Why don't they just make [Gnome] better?'
Like what? Give some examples please. - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I agree that XFCE is snappy, easy to configure, and for the most part a joy to use. Unfortunately, it resembles CDE too closely and that violently repels me. It's like having poop flavored ice cream. Sure, its probably better than poop, but...
- KillSudo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Gnome 2.14 and KDE 3.5.1 are really hard to choose between. They both offer great applications and features. Amarok is a must now. But I will agree that Gnome feels more "professional" and "polished". I love how everything intergrates as a whole experience unlike KDEs. Although I believe Xfce4 will take over many users hearts as the XFCE4-SVN build as of just a couple months ago was amazing and stable.
- enovakrss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I prefer KDE, but come on gnome, the race is always good to both of them. On enterprise desktops, gnome is the better choice.
- zaofreek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't think Cairo Clearlooks is making it into this, which is a shame. Still, it has some great features. Deskbar is -very- useful, especially with Beagle search. My one complaint about GNOME is that it uses so much memory. Even with all of those things, including Nautilus drawing the desktop, turned off...it still feels incredibly slow. XFCE feels snappy, so I'll probably continue to use it and the GNOME apps for my desktop.
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I like the moderness of FC, but having grown up on Debian, I hate dealing with RPMs and Yum never seems to have enough apps in it. I haven't tried FC since FC3. Has the Debian-like package management come up to speed on it yet?
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I agree with you, but can easily see why many people prefer Gnome. I'd like to prefer Gnome. Gnome is so simple and has very little clutter, but part of that is because it also has many less features than KDE.
Just check out the right-click menu in Nautilus vs. Konqueror. If I want to exract an archive in Nautilus (Gnome 2.14) I just right-click and select 'Extract Here'. In Konqueror I have to go into an 'Extract' submenu and select from multiple choices there. At the same time, if in Nautilus I want to extract it into another directory I need to select 'Open with Archive Manager' and do that from a whole other program. Konqueror has that built-in. Gnome seems to be easier if you want to do what the Gnome developers have decided should be easy to do, but other things are more complicated.
For me, Gnome makes it harder to do the things I need to do on my workstation, but on my development server (where I use a GUI to manage VMWare virtual machines) I use Gnome because I don't really need as many features.
Another reason why I happen to use KDE is that the KDE apps I use are better than their Gnome counterparts. K3B is second to none for CD/DVD burning. Krusader is the best file manager I've ever seen. Kioslaves are better than candy. Basket is very handy. Quanta is excellent. All those apps work better in KDE than Gnome due to tight integration. I don't miss Beagle that much. - strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3What are you talking about? Comments to the effect of "I like GNOME and this rocks!" are at +10, whereas those like "I think KDE is more functional than GNOME" have already been buried.
- dougr33d, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Well it seems to me that the reason GNOME seems to have this problem with a lack of features is that we have the classic Linux Desktop problem of engineers and designers developing for the non-technical crowd. They take a look at Mac OSX and see how "simplified" all the windows look and expect to make a better product by similarly dumbing down everything. Unfortunately, less configuration options and less functionality isn't exactly something that us engineers/developers look for in a product, and the Linux market is still made up by these kind of computer enthusiasts.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed. I like KDE more for the UI customizing, but hate the menu thoroughly. It's as if any new app for KDE gets a spot in the menu system. I'd like to see just the best listed after an open vetting process... one of the most annoying things is having to vet them all, and remove them one by one.
It seems to me that it should be possible to separate the UI customization from all the little apps that aren't used but once every 6 months.
Just my opinion. respectfully. - eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am also impatiently waiting for FC5 on Monday :-) Do you have a link for the 2.16 release plan? All I could find was this: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/rnlookingforward.html
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've been having a problem with a SIGSEGV fault every time I try to edit some System setting. It's really ticking me off. And then ndiswrapper won't install my wireless driver for me, even though Breezy handled it just fine. Not sure what's up with that, but it's got me upset that I can't really use Dapper, at least not yet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From what I've observed in 2.14 under Dapper, there aren't many noticeable changes - at least not when it comes to day-to-day use. We'll see - I haven't checked much beyond what they highlighted in their "what's new" list.
One of the most useful tools though, the deskbar, wasn't installed when I updated. If you're in Dapper and can'y find it, just plug this into your terminal:
sudo apt-get install deskbar-applet - zaofreek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4You -could-, although I don't recommend it. Dapper is still in development, and although I'm running it on my machine, it does break from time to time. If I were you, I'd wait for Dapper to be officially released, or for 2.14 to find its way into Breezy Backports.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i used gnome for a year and had to swap in the end. updating it was a nightmare of dependencies, with with freebsd's update script i had to be very careful. just not my idea of a good time.
i mean, why must i install mozilla just to use gnome? crap like that puts me off. then there are useablity issues, such as the fact natualis and it's file select dialoge still being the suck.
i use xfce4 now and it does the job nicely, and a damn sight faster then gnome. i still give props to the gnome team for GTK2+ (which xfce is based on) i just think they need to spend more time giving thought to how to make the desktop less less of a nightmare to maintain and more useable. laugh if you want, but i still find ms explorer the best filemanager to use. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i'm using Dapper at home & work, only problem I"m having is nautilus crashing after plugging in my ipod or digi camera, other than that it's much faster than breezy.
kde 3.5 is in dapper & it very pretty but i still find my self going back to gnome - Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@ berean
Huh? You can use your mouse in Gnome-Terminal. Kontrol is nice in some ways, but some things either just don't work or they are flaky as hell (like making your terminal background pseudo-transparent). - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Beauty is an essential component."
Really? How do you explain the success of Windows in the 90's? - Slapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://live.gnome.org/ProjectRidley is pretty interesting. Makes me wonder if it would make it easier to port Gnome to Windows, so it would run natively, like e.g. the GIMP. No, Cygwin doesn't cut it, it's just too slow (or is there a way to make it nearly as fast or a little slower than native Linux stuff? Like X, Gnome, etc. Not that they'd be Linux exclusive, but I think you got the by gist now).
Why Gnome on Windows? Because I like it better than Microsoft's shell. - TheFoundry, on 10/12/2007, -10/+11GNOME has always been very promising, but I'm more of a KDE man myself. Best of luck with the new version, I think it's always been a novel idea, but (like communism) never was very well executed...well at least not as well as KDE.
- Tyrekicker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Have you had a look at some of KDE's default themes lately? Not exactly awe-inspiring.
Plastik is just bareable, but Keramic is nasty, and don't even get me started on the others. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1upgrade to dapper
- jonocorp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm a fan of gnome over kde. I just like how simple it is in comparison and how it takes up less resources than kde. There are times I like the eye-candy that is kde, but gnome brings out the semi-utilitarian in me.
- GuineaPig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Functionally, I quite like both Gnome and KDE.
But why does Gnome persist with such tacky graphics? I want Linux to succeed on the desktop, but it has to have more than brains and brawn. Beauty is an essential component. - thewhitefedora, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I find KDE being too bloated and feeling to much like Windows and Mac OS thrown into a blender. I like Gnome because it's cleaner.
- benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it won't go into breezy backports. Jdong doesn't do huge things like that (it kills his bandwidth, as well)
for that matter, i think that as soon as a new release comes out, backports stop on the last release. - veracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Downloaded, runs great.
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1You think that integration in GNOME is more complete than that in KDE? KDE's underlying architecture has always been all about integration, with technologies such as KParts, KIOSlaves, DCOP, et cetera. Not to mention that KOffice is an actual integrated office suite, whereas GNOME Office comprises three unrelated programs (Abiword, Gnumeric and GNOME-DB) which are only loosely integrated.
- psylence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0While I agree w/Windows Explorer being the best file manager, I must say your inability to resolve dependencies while using portage in FBSD is more a portage problem than Gnome's problem.
- cube3x3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I am fan of Gnome since i am using linux, well i tried KDE, but it simply more complicated then Gnome, gnome is simple to configure, and really nice to look, because i like things to be more simple. gnome graphics are simple and it suits to my eye, while in kde i had to make it work. For long work on UI, gnome rocks....... i am building 2.14 at now, I m waiting to see the speed as they said in new version....
GNOME ROCKS - strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Why do you think that GNOME is a better choice on enterprise desktops?
- adriankoooo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1how i can install under ubuntu ?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1So could I switch my sources.list repositories to dapper and download 2.14 tonight?
- armin76, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Theres always fluxbox...
- mjog, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3What is this? The KDE fanclub? Stop trolling, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
:( - farr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I think that was what I was looking for, thanks...
- cfazzini, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I like it. :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2So will this be in the Ubuntu Breezy repositories soon?
- SDNick484, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Damn it, I just finished emerging Gnome 2.12.3 in Gentoo this afternoon!
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