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- nfollmer, on 10/10/2007, -6/+30All of you idiots complaining about it can go back to your pirated version of Photoshop.
- halik, on 10/10/2007, -5/+29I hope they fixed the UI...
- modad, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18It's not lame. It's just gimpy.
- mrtrick, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Great software, horrible UI. I have a friend that will not use it solely on the account of the horrible interface and look of the program.
- toolegittoquit, on 10/10/2007, -8/+21Zed: Bring out the Gimp.
Maynard: But the Gimp's sleeping.
Zed: Well, I guess you're gonna have to go wake him up now, won't you? - XVampireX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13UI changes are welcome, as you can see from the dugg story...
What I'm more displeased with is the slow pace the gimp is being developed at... - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18such whiney complainertons. Quitcherbitchin. Gimp's great for the price!
- TomP, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10its the GUI where the problems at.
- bieber, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12Then quit bitching and help out. Free software doesn't write itself.
- fotoman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11I'm a professional photographer and own another photography company and The GIMP is all we use for photo editing, collage and poster creation, and it's the only thing we've used in 5+ years. Ok, Inkscape for the logo creation, but that's graphics and not photos.
All this bunk about UI and CMYK. If you don't like the UI of a program, don't use it, it's that simple. Personally I find the UI VERY easy to use. As for CMYK, I don't do a lot of pre-press work, so CMYK isn't that big of a deal, and if I need a CMYK file, a simple 1 liner with ImageMagick does the trick. The product comes out fantastic every time (magazines, banners, postcards, flyers, shirts, etc)
BTW, it's nice to see several of the enhancement requests that I've submitted being implemented :)
There are a plethora of apps that do similar tasks, a lot of people don't like all of them and choose the one they do. Stop bashing applications that you don't use. I use Gaim as my IM client (oops, pigdin?), you don't see me complaining about all the other IM clients out there, it just doesn't make sense. - amoore260, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14GIMP is not a real alternative for everyday graphic arts production. YES, GIMP has gotten better but, no one is giving up photoshop.
I have a BIG Idea for Linux Multimedia in general...
Everyone is familiar with Open Office’s office suite or Firefox/Mozzilla’s internet suite of Firefox and Thunderbird. Both suites have found homes in Linux and are a staple in many Linux distros. (IMHO) These two application suites have made Linux a viable OS in desktop computing. Yes, I do know other alternatives to OOO and FF are available and, competition is a good thing.
The time has now come for another Application Suite for the OSS community. Lets face it, Linux lacks many of the creative and multi-media tools that needs to be a real desktop OS. Many new users to Linux just need a simple way to edit video, audio and pics. I know that many apps already exist for these needs but, most of these apps fall short (IMHO). Is there a really solid OSS video editor for the home video enthusiast? This is what I see with many OSS video editors: Cinelerra is overkill and it lacks the ability to capture DV video. Kino and Diva are just to basic. Pitivi just combines clips, Kdenlive is still very buggy (in beta) also, getting firewire to work is also a real pain for video editing applications too.
A simple to use video editor is much needed in the home user Linux desktop. While were talking about video Apps how about integrating a video editor with a DVD Video creation app? Is this starting to sound like iMovie and iDVD?
Audio Editing is in much better shape for Linux than video editing but it too still lacks the polish and simplicity that many home users need for audio editing. Audacity is a great app but it lacks looping, midi, music notation tools and RSS feed generation for podcasting. Ardour on the other hand is just over kill for new Linux user and is to advanced for an easy to use audio editor. Does what I’ve just describe sound like Soundtrack? It might also be nice if the Audio editor worked with the video editing and DVD apps as well, so that files could be transfered back and forth between the apps.
Image editing in Linux needs work too, Gimp is OK for simple editing but should combine a photo manager and needs some work with some of the core tools and its UI to make it easer for the home user. Once more, the Image app should be able to work with the video editing and DVD creation software.
If these apps were created and worked well, a natural side effect could be a push in the use of free or Open source formats for media such as ogg. Having a multimedia application suite for creation that pushes ODF for multimedia would be huge in the multimedia world.
So the BIG question is how do you make money off developing this Application suite? Easy, all of these apps create multimedia files that either have hard copy equivalents or can be uploaded to sharing sites like youtube or flicker.
The video that the video editor app makes could have an option to upload the video to youtube, break, metacfe, or any other video sharing site. This option would be put out to bid for the sharing sites to bid on for the upload option to be the defalut with their site.
Firefox did this with the default home page set to Google. Google pays Fire fox almost 40 million dollars a year for its spot as the home page default in Fire fox. By setting a default upload to a sharing site this will drive visitors to that site. Which is why companies like youtube, break, metacfe, or other video sharing sites would bid for the spot to be the default upload.
This same feature could be done with the audio editor with any podcast hosting service for audio files. Once more, this could be done with pictures and picture sharing sites like Flickr and Picasa. From the picture sharing sites prints could be ordered too.
I see this type of application suite be critical for Linux. Most of the code for a suite like this already exist in current Linux apps and the code could be used if it’s licensed under the GPL. It would be great if an organization or foundation would form to create this application suite. I would hope that this organization or foundation would focus on keeping the application suite licensed GPL, using free non- proprietary formats, giving a continuous look and feel between all of the apps, organize development for the suite and making the foundation financial self sustaining.
Who knows, after an easy to use home suite was developed maybe a professional suite could be developed too.
Linux has conquered the server market, the key to the home desktop market is Multimedia.
Who's with me on this? - bumfish, on 10/10/2007, -8/+16with the GIMP even the most basic of tasks is a chore, granted its free and the linux fanboys love it, but if I was looking for graphics editing on the cheap , I'd go for paint shop pro and save up for photoshop.
Just because its open source, doesnt mean its good. I tried it and it sucked so i went back to PS. - bogdan77, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11I don't like the UI at all... but I use GiMP because I don't think piracy is ok.
- matcram, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7i don't think it is lame but i can't see in gimp what i saw in openoffice or firefox.... IMO The base UI is wrong compared to Photoshop or Fireworks. Of course some people use it but come on.... why does it has to be so different from others ?
- HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7A program is only as good as the interface you have to use to interact with it.
- WiZZLa, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9It's no Adobe® Photoshop® (even with GIMPShop), but the price is right.
- muep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7They probably won't replace Gtk with anything else, but maybe someone could do better ports of Gtk for Windows/OSX.
I Gimp didn't run on X11, how would the Linux users use it? - TomP, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9He isn't the only one
- XiozTzu, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10Does anyone know if they ever have any plans to move away from X11 in Gimp? I know this makes it cross platform but still hate that aspect of Gimp.
- DrawingTheSun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I tired the Gimp the other day, I had to save a image as a brush and modify the image so that it was grey scale just to make a custom brush, in other programs; Photoshop, Artweaver and Painter all you have to do is make a selection and click "make brush present".
Its little things like this that make Gimp horrible.
What brush settings do you get to mess with? hmm, maybe opacity and that's it, there is no pen tilt settings, no angle jitter or anything else like that.
Gimp has a very very long way to go before competing on a level for artists.
I don't make photo manipulations so i can't say how good it is for that stuff, but i am guessing its crap in that department as well.
Its a very poor program. - nfollmer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7So, by pirating software, you are potentially giving Adobe money, later on? Now piracy makes sense!
- arizonagroove, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8And Gimp 2.6 is coming sometime after 2.4. Also, the the sun will come up tomorrow.
- nubtard, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Especially considering it's packaged together with one of the most popular linux distros around and probably a standard in most other distros.
- amoore260, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Fotoman, could you point me to a web site with some of your work ?
- twljagflba, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I don't think it's a forecast... it's reality.
GIMP.org says "We are getting ready for the GIMP 2.4 release." How much more clear does it need to be? - sirber, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Gimp devs can't fix luser incompetence
- phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Ya, but then they'll hafta change the name ;)
- sd123, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Or, you even could have said, "fewer bugs."
- theOster, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4*this* is the year of the gimp....
ahh nevermind - Macskeeball, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Amen!
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I have yet to see a distro without the gimp (except for the "KDE-Only, no GTK" ones, of course; but "KDE-only, no GTK" and "Gnome-only, no Qt" are pretty stupid ways to package a distro, specially when you have no Qt equivalent to apps like Gimp and no GTK equivalent to apps like amarok and k3b)
- doodlebumm, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7It sucked for you. There is no reason to assume that is sucks for everyone. There are some things in GIMP that are much better than PS, as well as the reverse. Use the best tool for the job. I certainly don't put screws in with a hammer or wrench.
- leksdraven, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I'll gladly use GIMP, even professionally. But it's just too much effort to learn the "GIMP way" of doing things. The most obvious: if I right-click on an image using the Selection tool, I want a context-sensitive context menu with Selection options--not a menu consisting of several top-level menus, all with their own sub-menus, AKA the menu bar.
- Drevor, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Good for you.... that's all you will get from most people until one day the changelog has the words "major" "UI" and "revamp" it it.
http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign ... fix it already - bieber, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5...gimp doesn't have this problem either...
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10Not much in this page. I love Phoronix, but this one is a predictable forecast with a very partial changelog. What will be interesting in 2.4 are the big UI changes. To those who have used it for years, such changes can lead to inconveniences.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5If it can't do what needs to be done, then no price is right, and it will not be great at any price.
- nkassi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3The is always WxWidgets, that does all that already. But the Gimp created Gtk and Gtk is quite awesome so why change? I mean just improve Gtk elsewhere or maybe create a Gtk port that binds around Cocoa and Windows native.
- obsaysditto, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4this should be under software not linux/unix
- noerrorsfound, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I am a representative of Adobe Systems Incorporated. We've noticed your unauthorized use of our trademark and demand you cease and desist or we will be forced to take further legal action against you.
- msiner, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They don't use X11 directly. GIMP uses the GIMP Toolkit (GTK) for it's GUI. GTK in turn can be targeted to different back ends , of which X11 is one of. GTK on Windows does not use X11. It most likely uses GDI to do native drawing. I believe there has been much work into getting GTK native on OS X, but the most common backend used on OS X is currently X11. X11 is the most logical back end to support for Unix systems, but there is also building support for GTK using DirectFB as a back end.
- bieber, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Yes. People thinking that users who pay _nothing_ for a piece of software should try, you know, contributing before they go on bitching about how bad it is, are responsible for GIMP's not overtaking Photoshop.
- stoanhart, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'm pretty sure they will continue to use GTK... the Gimp Took Kit
- numberwang, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3$625 is dirt cheap? Am I missing something?
http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-23102480-Photoshop-CS3/dp/B000NDIBYG - Megatog615, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I've used it for years and I can't wait for a difference.
- Megatog615, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3That's like saying you are going to buy the artist's CD anyway.
- noerrorsfound, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2That's the spirit! :P
- amoore260, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2scenario: I have made a video project using the video editor. "I have not yet rendered this project to a video file". I save the video project. I open up the DVD creation tool and I can select the the video editing project as a track for the DVD that I'm making. If I decide that the video project needs some more editing I can Right mouse click, option "Edit in video app" make the changes, save the project, and now the video is changed in my DVD project.
- kevincannon, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I looked on the post and on the site but can't find any info on the 2.4 UI changes. Anyone got a link to info or screenshots about them?
- amoore260, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I believe you misunderstood.
scenario : I'm working in my video editing app with a bunch of photos creating a video slide show. I notice that I would like to change something about one of the photos for example: color, cropping, or whatever. Right mouse click, option "Edit in Photo app". I make the changes, save the image, and it now is in my video editing project for my slide show. What would really be grate is if the changes I made to the photo were non-destructive.
The applications are all stand a lone apps but, they have the ability to work with each other. -
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