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- Grambo, on 01/08/2008, -2/+31In Europe they use commas where the U.S. uses periods and periods where the U.S. uses commas.
With regards to numbers of course. - Mejogid, on 01/08/2008, -1/+22Or at least there would be, if it meant FREE as in no cost (beer) rather than FREE as in freedom (libre).
- MacEnvy, on 01/08/2008, -3/+22I support both.
- strictnein, on 01/08/2008, -1/+16And since the FSF article says "$100,000" and the FSF is based in Boston, let's just use the comma.
- tgilbert, on 01/08/2008, -2/+13Just signed up as an associate member.
- element247, on 01/08/2008, -5/+14I donated and became a member a few weeks ago!
You should too :) - inactive, on 01/08/2008, -5/+14$100!
Go goals! - andycr512, on 01/08/2008, -1/+8"It's free - but with restrictions... that's a paradox."
I agree with most of your comment, but not this part. Freedom always comes with restrictions - freedom has always been a paradox. America was based around freedom, but you still cannot murder someone - thus there are restrictions in freedom, namely that you are free to do anything except that which infringes upon another's right to do anything. - flarn2006, on 01/08/2008, -1/+8It's Foundation, not Federation.
- CountBrass, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7I just signed up for associate membership.
- 31213121, on 01/08/2008, -0/+7if you only want to leech: free (open source) alternatives for expensive (commercial) programs are posted weekly on http://www.thefreesuite.com
- multitude, on 01/08/2008, -1/+8Freedom without restrictions is the same as no freedom at all. It makes you absolutely vulnerable to whatever anyone wants to do to you. I support the Free Software movement and the FSF because I think that they place important restrictions on programs to keep them free. This is the essence of the GPL. In some cases, this makes Free software harder for companies to co-opt for their own benefit. I argue that this is a good thing, because it keeps projects open and encourages contribution back to the community, rather than lots of proprietary offshoots that only help someone to make profit.
- JasonCox, on 01/08/2008, -8/+14I support the EFF, not the FSF.
- andycr512, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7GPLv3 merely makes explicit what was implicit in GPLv2. They are, in spirit, the same license.
- arma, on 01/08/2008, -8/+14too expensive : ( i d join but student membership is too expensive, and no real benefits, plus the site is ugly, i understand its a wiki, but those can look nice too.
- ssam, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6already a member :-)
- corfe83, on 01/08/2008, -0/+6The term "free" in the organization's name isn't about money, it's about liberty.
As they say it's "free as in freedom", not "free as in beer". - elewis33, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7Activism and representation in the legislative realm is far from free. They obviously need money to operate and continue to ensure that big money doesn't ALWAYS win when it comes to software.
- balazsbela, on 01/08/2008, -1/+7
GPLv3 is GPLv2 + Paragraphs for dealing with DRM,tivoization,patents and other stuff.
You should at least read it before you criticize it.
Do you mind to clearly state your problem with the GPLv3? - TheWindBlows, on 01/08/2008, -1/+6Part of it says free software is scared of Microsoft using software patents to tax them.
Anyways software patents are screwed up nowadays people can get them make them unspecific don't even have to make the program and use it to attack people.
What needs to be done :
formats : should be usuably by any without issues, it doesn't have to be open they can charge a one time fee (that'd be it)
software wise : If your going to get a patent it has to be specific enough that it isn't used on everything and you must have the program when applying for the patent.
design and styles : whatever...
when it comes to products it seems major companies care more about a format that others can't use without paying than anything else, it should be who provides the best product. - MarkKezner, on 01/08/2008, -1/+6A hundred thousand dollars,
It's kinda funny that you got that mixed up, considering how your name is floatingpoints.
source: http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/63335.htm ... - MarkKezner, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5To clarify - GPL software vendors are allowed to sell their products and accept donations. They don't have to be non-profit organizations.
It's called free software in that you're free to do what you want with it, as long as you publish the source code if you make a change to it. The idea of GPL software is that it can grow and evolve freely without fear of a single vendor dictate the software's direction or usage.
By coincidence, alot of free software is offered free of charge. - xspinkickx, on 01/09/2008, -1/+6Stallman has degrees and from harvard, and did his graduate at MIT, also worked in the MIT AI Lab....... not to mention several honorary doctorates and professorships.
- MarkKezner, on 01/08/2008, -0/+5Not quite. Many countries outside the US use periods to separate large numbers into groups of 3, the same way we use commas. Likewise, they use commas to denote a decimal point.
- sirhomer, on 01/09/2008, -1/+6Not to mention a perfect 1600 on his SAT, and graduating from Harvard in the top of his class. He's probably got one of the highest IQs in of any person in the world.. or at least a higher collective IQ then all the morons on Digg combined.
- ubernerd845, on 01/08/2008, -1/+6Well it's optional, isn't it? It's a good cause anyway.
- elewis33, on 01/08/2008, -1/+5Nice mature comment Otto. Grow up dude.
- najdorf, on 01/08/2008, -2/+6I might donate $10 to thank them for the GCC.
- balazsbela, on 01/08/2008, -2/+6Anger management ?
- flarn2006, on 01/08/2008, -1/+5Good thing you put in that last part, or some people may think it's like this:
In Europe they use commas where the U,S, uses periods. and periods where the U,S, uses commas, - maybeway36, on 01/08/2008, -1/+4in europe, i guess . is like ,
- Breepee, on 01/08/2008, -1/+4Suppose you like unfree software better? Way to go...
- dgh1973, on 01/08/2008, -9/+11I'm not sure I agree with all of the principles of the FSF... I lean more toward the OSS movement. If a vendor wants to create software and control the source code I think that's their choice... or their "freedom" if you will. In other words, I think the FSF actually restricts the freedom of programmers to do what they please under the guise of enhancing freedom of the end users - who also end up restricted by having to follow certain rules or principles. I.e. if you hand someone the first cd of a redhat distro but not the rest of it you are violating the GPL. Literally speaking not much may come of it, but figuratively speaking you are breaking the license. It's free - but with restrictions... that's a paradox.
Sure it's a lot better in my book if they support Linux but IMHO as long as they are supporting Linux well, I don't care if the source code is freely available or not. Of course opinions are like sphincters though, everyone has one and they all stink. - dxred, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3it's not a wiki, they are using Plone.
- xpankrat, on 01/08/2008, -1/+3Wrong site for this joke, dude. This ain't slashdot.
- patcito, on 01/09/2008, -1/+2> if you hand someone the first cd of a redhat distro but not the rest of it you are violating the GPL
Define "the rest of it".
If you mean the other installation CDs, then it's wrong, it's perfectly OK not to give all the install CDs. If you mean the source code to the install CDs, then it's perfectly legal too to not give them. If you give to a friend an install CD of Fedora you don't need to give the source of it. If your friend asks you for the source then indeed the license requires you to give it. What's wrong with that? He can get it on the net anyway. - dinostabOMG, on 01/08/2008, -1/+2Oh, for a second I thought it was a Soviet Russia reference. Eh, same thing.
- digjam, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1stop commaing and perioding around
- CountBrass, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1$100 is too much? I spend more than that on a meal.
- taintedzodiac, on 01/08/2008, -5/+6$100.000? You mean we can donate all the way down to the tenth-penny?
- Otto, on 01/09/2008, -1/+2Sure. My problem with it is the extra paragraphs you mentioned. Not one of them is necessary or desirable. The GPLv2 does exactly what I want. The GPLv3 does not. It's that simple.
- digjam, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1$100 on a meal..???? What do you eat?? more like 20 burgers a day?fatass!
- spectre_25gt, on 01/09/2008, -1/+2You learn something new every day. Thanks.
- andycr512, on 01/09/2008, -0/+1Can you please provide an example?
- Tenoq, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Oh snap!
- Tenoq, on 01/08/2008, -0/+1Hard to believe, but some people actually don't eat alone. Perhaps even more difficult to fathom is that 'burgers are not the only food money can buy. $100 for a dinner for two sounds fairly normal to me. :p
- daradib, on 01/08/2008, -1/+1Membership amount can be set by yourself.
- Otto, on 01/09/2008, -1/+1No, it's not. The EFF is a good cause. The FSF ceased to be relevant when they stopped advocating freedom and started advocating socialism.
- freesid, on 01/09/2008, -0/+0no offense, but what about bash, gdb, libc, binutils, coreutils, classpath, gnash and emacs (if u use) ?
- Otto, on 01/09/2008, -1/+11. They are, in actual fact, entirely different licenses.
2. The GPLv3 is not at all in the same spirit as the GPLv2. The GPLv2 attempts to keep the code free and ensure that it remains free. The GPLv3 restricts the rights of the individual using that code in new ways that do not mesh with the meaning of the word "free" under any meaning you care to use. -
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