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- cards, on 08/02/2008, -3/+114Annoying that it was ever a problem in the first place, but impressive how quickly they're responding. Looks to me like they're doing the right thing.
- RedCt, on 08/02/2008, -7/+68Major props to Foxconn for fixing this so quickly, but I'm still wondering why the bug happened in the first place.
- damentz, on 08/02/2008, -4/+46power comes from the ability to pardon, not punish
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -3/+45Maybe time for the 'digg army' of super tech geeks to put away their 'jump to conclusions mat' and get it right the first time? Foxxcon was never 'intentionally crashing' Linux distros, they weren't even behind the chip!!
- Dylson, on 08/03/2008, -3/+44Thank you foxxcon for listening.
- 4DFX, on 08/03/2008, -7/+47Wasn't just Digg though. It was the entire Linux community. Amazing how much power we've gained over time.
- t0x2c, on 08/02/2008, -23/+45You mean they're taking out the bug they put in?
- agentlame, on 08/03/2008, -2/+22@naughtyboy Are you always this much of a dick, or just having a bad day?
- derkles, on 08/02/2008, -14/+32How about explaining why they did that to begin with?
- fas2, on 08/03/2008, -7/+23Related article for those who missed it:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Foxconn_deliberately_sa ... - hugolp, on 08/03/2008, -1/+16It obviously was the linux comunity. Without the comunity the report would not have made the front page, would not have had hundreds of comments, etc... And obviously there is more than Digg out there, but Digg makes a incredible amplificator for this kind of things, and helps the comunity to be listened.
- n0odles, on 08/03/2008, -8/+22Thank you Internets for putting pressure on Foxconn.
- snowblindnz, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13More of a less should be pissed off at the BIOS maker, rather than Foxconn. Although foxconn should have tested it.
- Swellin, on 08/03/2008, -0/+12Pretty sure from his responses he is just a cocky little punk trying to make it E-penis larger. Hopefully as he gets older he might realize how immature he is acting, and might understand the concept of forgiveness. And is a case like this Foxconn has earned forgiveness beyond a shadow of doubt.
- cardyology, on 08/03/2008, -1/+13two of my friends were destroyed by a few dozen overweight Linux fanboys....
- plr4ever, on 08/03/2008, -0/+12Empire....Not really
Overweight....Maybe - taseedorf, on 08/03/2008, -3/+14This was blown out of proportion, but it's good it is fixed.
- agentlame, on 08/03/2008, -3/+14While I never considered it some evil conspiracy, rather poor testing... I do hope they also put as much attention into their customer service policies.
The way their reps responded to Ryan was completely egregious. To me that was a bigger issue. Bugs happen, but don't treat paying customers like that. - mCanada, on 08/03/2008, -3/+14Shhhhh. It's called "added value"
- hugolp, on 08/02/2008, -21/+32The power of Digg...
- gidd, on 08/03/2008, -0/+10@naughtyboy: Says common-sense. If you don't give someone a chance of forgiveness, there's no incentive for them to redeem themselves. Pardoning Foxconn may encourage them not to be such douches in future.
- mentor, on 08/03/2008, -2/+12It wasn't!
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/07/25/
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/07/26/
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/07/27/
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/07/31/
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/2008/08/01/
Will you all please stop pretending you know what you're talking about, or Matthew Garrett will come and find you: http://www.angryfacts.com/ - BitKid, on 08/03/2008, -7/+15The thing that annoyed me about the whole issue was how the members of the Linux community and the people at Foxconn had to get so hostile with each other. Just because you use Linux doesn't mean you're entitled to support from every hardware vendor around, and just because you're a hardware vendor doesn't mean you have to get all snippy with people that take issue with your products and blame it on the users.
- mockupscaledown, on 08/03/2008, -5/+13One, because this is the only motherboard make and model in known existence to exhibit this type of behavior. And it's a low-budget Micro-ATX board. Some conspiracy they've got going there. Next they're going to cripple 32x CD-ROM drives in their diabolical scheme.
Two, because it's simple economics -- you pour the most amount of time into making the product work for the most people. If 95% of the people buying that board are going to use Windows, then they probably don't have any dedicated engineers hammering out Linux issues. They may have even rushed the product out the door to make delivery knowing that Linux didn't work yet but that they'd patch it later and hope no one caught it beforehand.
Long story short, unless you've got an internal memo or something from Foxconn that says "time to take down Linux, boys!" then I really don't wanna hear it. - estvir, on 08/03/2008, -9/+15.. which is INACCURATE.
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html
http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/07/foxnewshhh ...
Yeah, good job guys.
"The way I see this: Someone, (Microsoft, American Megatrends, Foxconn, or all of the above) has made a surgical strike against Linux,"
Where's your apology to Foxconn? Losers. - luchid, on 08/03/2008, -1/+6@estvir
Jesus H Christ, you're getting more and more desperate each day. - kamisama, on 08/03/2008, -2/+7This is 100% damage control at work. No way it would have been out this fast without all the negative publicity. Still they could have kept on ignoring it. So it's a show of goodwill on Foxxcon's part, which is a good thing I guess.
- estvir, on 08/03/2008, -9/+14Wow, there's actually people who still believe the conspiracy theory from the FOSS nuts? Go outside of Ubuntu forum threads, you'll be shocked.
What I'm wandering is if those people have apologised to Foxconn. - InorganicMatter, on 08/03/2008, -2/+7NO THEY DIDN'T:
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html
Stop saying Linux was sabotaged, it was NOT!!!! - thedude42, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4I think we're missing the bigger point here. There are mountains of documentation on linux hardware support. Linux and the PC world co-exists because of the standards that are the PC architecture, something that even Microsoft relies on in order to maintain their existence.
To this day I have yet to see the boxes PC hardware comes in with a label that says "Windows ONLY". I have seen the "supports windows 98/2000/xp" labels, which usually indicates the drivers included with the hardware. Everyone in the PC world understands that is what those labels mean. But this time Foxconn used their "official support" line to basically ignore a pretty freaking poor bug in one of the few pieces of software they themselves have to provide for their hardware.
Did the guy in the post sound like a whining brat? Maybe, but he isn't the multinational company Foxconn is, so it's his own right to look like a retard. Foxconn, on the other hand, dropped the ball when they failed to realize that a paying customer did a lot of work to help them improve their products. I see Foxconn's initial reaction here as the real catalyst for this whole ordeal.
In the end, though, Foxconn shows that although their first tier e mail responders and subsequent correspondence may have been lacking,t hey posess the integrity and responsibility necessary for a company like theirs to succeed in the future, so kudos to them. - Snake732, on 12/05/2008, -0/+4Foxconn are the worst mother boards on the market. I swear by ASUS.
- inactive, on 08/03/2008, -4/+8I would assume they do, then again. How many Linux distributions are there out there? Honestly, I i was manufacturing chips, chances are I would be most interested in making it word 100% for lets say the 50 most common OS/Builds..
My point was also no that it wasn't broken or buggy. Just that Foxxcon didn't
t conspire to crash Linux or even make the chip in question. From the first digg it was easy to think it was some kind of global conspiracy against Linux users.. which it of course wasn't.. - hollyminkowski, on 08/03/2008, -0/+4Must be a pain in the butt, hopefully now with the new bios update your troubles will soon be behind you.
Luckily I have never had a glitch running PCLinuxOS on my cheap Acer mobo. - SealandRes1, on 08/03/2008, -1/+5Look you're not understanding what the issue was about. It's not about having their motherboard linux certified, and what percentage of people use linux.
It was about the motherboard being advertised as ACPI compliant, when it's clearly not.
If the manufacturer advertised their motherboard to be ACPI complain, then they have an obligation to test and spend the resources required for their hardware to be ACPI compliant. - estvir, on 08/03/2008, -6/+9They didn't, moron.
- dhughes, on 08/03/2008, -1/+4 I thought it was the Ubuntu forums where it was first mentioned, even the Digg story link was directed to the Ubuntu forums.
- itsfunny, on 08/03/2008, -2/+5Wow. I've actually been having these problems with Debian 4.0 on my Foxconn motherboard. I've been wondering wtf was happening when the box randomly froze.
- warriorscot, on 08/03/2008, -2/+5Asus have a similar problem on the p5q boards and a certain linux distro that only works when the boards are set to AHCI mode and even when you do that it is flaky, not to the foxconn level but still for such a big company its a shock. Still waiting for asus or canonical to fix the problem.
- mockupscaledown, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
- schrutefan, on 08/03/2008, -4/+7You're still on my *****, Foxconn. You're only "fixing" it because you got caught.
- bexamous, on 08/03/2008, -0/+3LOLOLOL, that is so funny.
- thedude42, on 08/03/2008, -1/+4(oops, submitted to early.. continued from above...)
Ultimately though, it was just poor coding on Foxconn's part. Poor coding of the software that ran hardware that claimed to support a specific architecture. The "conspiracy" end of things comes from the impression that Foxconn blew off the Linux community (which they were). If there was a problem with windows like this, you'd be sure there's be a patch almost immediately. - InorganicMatter, on 08/03/2008, -6/+9I told you it was an innocent bug.
More proof of Foxconn's innocence:
http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html
What the open-source conspiracy theorists won't come up with next.... - thedude42, on 08/03/2008, -1/+4See, when you read the actual original report, the guy shows how there are specific code blocks that break linux, but when you alter the bios so that the code paths are the same for linux and windows, the problems go away.
This isn't a conspiracy if it was intentional, more of a really bad attempt to alienate the linux community in favor of windows, possibly be viewed as a viable hardware source for windows system builders and discourage linux use with this particular product. - ohmysac, on 08/03/2008, -3/+6I think many manufacturers seriously underestimate the amount of linux users there are. When I bought my new laptop I did some research to make sure it would work with linux with little trouble. Sure, there were some better deals, but they'd only work "good" with windows. Manufacturers should try and make sure things are compatible with alternative operating systems. Or, help the open source community with drivers/hardware specs. They'll have more people to sell to.
- Evilblobs, on 08/03/2008, -14/+16So i guess it wasnt the evil M$ trying to screw over Linux users in some horrid conspiracy.
- JonForTheWin, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2>for lets say the 50 most common OS/Builds..
Hardware manufacturers release specs and hand them to the Linux kernel developers. So they only have to worry about a single "OS/Build" (whatever the ***** that is supposed to be) apart from the closed-source garbage out there. - kiput, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2Actually, it is. Almost. I both used GNU/Linux and Windows for a few years. Linux never crashed on me - the worst thing that happened was Xorg crash, while Windows, well, let's say I saw a BSOD yesterday while running stupid Process Monitor from MS and it wasn't the first time some trivial program BSODed it.
- bieber, on 08/03/2008, -0/+2Well, to be fair, it was actually a feature, not a bug. From Microsoft's perspective, anyways...
- djgreedo, on 08/03/2008, -3/+5Less than 1% use Linux.
I agree. The manufacturer has no obligation for their hardware to work on an operating system it was not certified for. Seems pretty simple to me. And they have no reason to spend resources testing their hardware on the off chance that a handful of Linux users would use it and have an unforseen issue. -
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