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- ethana2, on 07/25/2008, -12/+506I gotta be honest here, I would just love to see a Digg story screw a company's sales into the dirt overnight, I think that would be hilarious-- especially when they had it coming.
Sadly, I don't think we have that much power.. - ethana2, on 07/25/2008, -13/+403We've been through this before with web sites useragents.
You screw with us, we lie to your face.
You piss us off, we turn on you.
Let hardware be hardware, dangit. Have it behave one way and one way only. This is insane. - Snuxoll, on 07/25/2008, -17/+300It should be up to the god damned os to handle ACPI correctly, if it doesn't like the DSDT tables it is given then too bad. There's no reason to have it hand out different ones to every OS...
- frup, on 07/25/2008, -6/+250Absolutely disgusting. This should be illegal, actively sabotaging something that should work to make it not work can't have many ethical grounds.
- baron1984, on 07/25/2008, -10/+224To everyone:
Please complain LOUDLY to Foxconn and the Federal Trade Commission, I have links to both on that post.
Foxconn makes a lot of board, even for MSI and other 2nd Tier types, please make sure not to buy any of their products.
If you are considering a new motherboard, please call the distributor and make sure that they did not get it from Foxconn. - tama00, on 07/25/2008, -4/+215man this guy is pretty smart, i would of just thrown the motherboard away and got a new one.
props to you TheAlmightyCthulhu!
dugg for support - inactive, on 07/25/2008, -0/+146Standards are the holy grail of computer hardware. Nothing is more pleasing for a system builder than to have a machine built from components from a dozen different companies work without incident.
Companies that decide that compliance is a scale and not a yes or no question should have their managers sodomized. - inactive, on 07/25/2008, -6/+146Isn't Foxconn like Asus, Gigabyte, etc in that they mainly sell boards directly to individual / small-time system builders? If so, then Digg has a tremendous amount of power. I'm a system builder and half-assed standard compliance makes me see red.
- toecutter169, on 07/25/2008, -8/+133I don't even use Foxconn, but I'll use them less now.
- SQLserver, on 07/25/2008, -11/+134***** Foxconn.
- traverse, on 07/25/2008, -6/+127Logged in just to digg this. I wonder how many other HW manufacturers do this sort of thing?
- gletob, on 07/25/2008, -8/+129if the entire community digged it that might work
- SQLserver, on 07/25/2008, -4/+120yet.
- ivazquez, on 07/25/2008, -5/+119It is reasonable to use different DSDTs for each OS, to work around the OS's "issues". What's not acceptable is giving one particular OS a flagrantly bad DSDT.
- waydee, on 07/25/2008, -21/+129If you read the e-mail dialogue he had with Foxconn he's pretty damn rude and doesn't really listen to them... I appreciate he's annoyed but I don't think being unprofessional like that is the way to encourage them to fix the problem? Not to say that they seem very interested in what he has to say either though...
Seems like a lot of conjecture too, yes it could be a deliberate sabotage or it could just be badly written code? - m0bilitee, on 07/25/2008, -3/+96Voting with my dollars, Foxconn is off the list for potential new motherboards.
- cantormath, on 07/25/2008, -5/+97Bill Gates Thought of this first
http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.o ...
Typically ubuntuforum moderators to shut a post down. - baron1984, on 07/25/2008, -9/+96@Snuxoll: I wouldn't be complaining if it was equally bad on Windows, but what they have done is deliberate.
The Windows sections depend on Windows Hardware Error Architecture in order to function, I think it's a thinly veiled way of Microsoft giving kickbacks to Foxconn to support Windows, but nothing else, under the guise of, the BIOS is buggy and Windows is just "correcting it" - dynamited, on 07/25/2008, -4/+90Diggotron.... transform !
- belcorriko, on 07/25/2008, -6/+81Good to know... I'm building a new box next week... I'll make sure not to buy a Foxconn motherboard... I'll be using Linux after all :)
- neFariou5, on 07/25/2008, -0/+75The closet it would have come to that was when Creative ***** over the guy writing/modifying drivers and it turned out Creative were deliberately crippling their drivers just to sell new hardware to Vista users.
- nirvdrum, on 07/25/2008, -9/+79Handled very professionally, on both ends. Grammatical errors, broken English, threats, and dismissals. Makes me proud to be part of such a community.
- mikelieman, on 07/25/2008, -0/+67I love the way he diagnosed and patched the problem ( excepting suspend/resume -- which, I've never used IRL, myself, so for me that wouldn't be a critical issue ) and then poked them with a stick about adhering to Intel's spec.
- 1karmik1, on 07/25/2008, -3/+65Point is, Foxconn should just implement ACPI and that's it. It's doing wrong just by implementing different sets of quirks for different o.s.
- Kossu, on 07/25/2008, -5/+65Let's see how long it takes before Foxconn ***** their pants, as this story just got popular.
- quantumphaze, on 07/25/2008, -1/+55Me too,
I'm sure most manufacturers don't pull this stuff because there is little incentive to cripple their hardware just for Linux and *BSD users. The general suspicion is that Microsoft have made a shady deal with Foxconn to cripple it. Cash is a pretty powerful incentive. - amdlinux, on 07/25/2008, -2/+56If confirmed, please post this news to your local language Ubuntu / Linux forum in order to make users aware of possible problems with Foxconn hardware. Foxconn hardware is being sold all over the world, might be available also in your country.
- Phocion55, on 07/25/2008, -1/+52Is it official? Can we add Foxconn to the ***** list?
Is there a board that reviews these on a case-by-case basis? - skektek, on 07/25/2008, -7/+55At first I thought this was more of a case of Foxconn being Stupid than being Evil. But after reading their correspondence I can see that it a case of the latter.
- sirhomer, on 07/25/2008, -1/+48This is class actionable. They are advertising ACPI compliance but it is clear they aren't ACPI compliant. So false advertising, and also possibly anti-trust.
- marx2k, on 07/25/2008, -0/+45So now you can digg him up by clicking the thumbs up icon twice. Thank Digg for the new feature :D
- Zippo, on 07/25/2008, -6/+50I'm not even a Linux user and I think this is unacceptable. If you are to follow set industry standards, you cannot single out one operating system. There is no reason they couldn't program the motherboard to accept all OS', so this is definitely Microsoft strong-arming them to make it only support Vista in order to boost sales.
- Zyxion, on 07/25/2008, -13/+56Dugg for Ubuntu dragging Microsoft and its allies down in yet another way.
Long live the penguin. - buberfan, on 07/25/2008, -3/+45Thanks for the warning. I was considering buying a Foxconn board for my next budget machine. Now I know not to buy one.
- amirman, on 07/25/2008, -6/+47i dugg you down but then i realized what you were saying. d'OH!
- sx66gns, on 07/25/2008, -2/+42That's why I don't buy Foxconn crap , they suck.
- MaxIsBored, on 07/25/2008, -4/+44No, it's not badly written code, they took existing code, and sabotaged it not to work specifically with linux.
Furthermore, they say they DONT SUPPORT linux, not that it doesn't work. Tehy say it's ACPI 1,2,3 complaint, and it is not. - 1karmik1, on 07/25/2008, -4/+44I've posted an Italian translation of the original article on ubuntu-it forums. Here's the link for fellow Italians that don't speak English :P
Ho postato una traduzione italiana dell'articolo originale sui forum di ubuntu-it. Ecco il link per miei connazionali non anglofoni :P
http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/index.php/topic,206711. ... - eliasg, on 07/25/2008, -2/+40Dugg.
Someone should make a list of affected boards/manufacturers. - shadus, on 07/25/2008, -0/+37My real question is (as a computer builder) why would anyone ever buy foxconn mobo in the first place? They're known for being a cheap POS mobo that frequently needs RMA'd. In some other industries they put out some stuff that I've not personally had trouble with, but in the computer building industry you're screwing yourself to buy their product.
- ArthurArchnix, on 07/25/2008, -0/+36Entropy: They claim compliance with ACPI, which is a standard. It is not microsoft's standard. If they were to claim, Microsoft ACPI compliant then the guy wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But they're claiming compliance with a OS neutral standard. Thus, false advertising, thus illegal.
- DemonWasp, on 07/25/2008, -0/+36@computershack: He did. Read the first post in that forum - he fixed a large part of the problem (not all of it, but he can't do that without a whole assload more "fixing"). The point here is that he shouldn't have had to do any fixing in the first place; their product is marketed as ACPI compliant, but isn't - that's illegal.
- sexybobo, on 07/25/2008, -0/+35@Shadus
Foxconn sponsored a "Computer Olympics" event when i was in high school (yeah extra credit).
Foxconn gave 45 Mother Boards to the competition 17 of them didn't work. (Nvidia Intel Corsair and Raidmax also gave 45 items each and only 1 Raidmax case was missing the screw pack every thing else worked great)
Foxconn MOBO are crap. - boobsbr, on 07/25/2008, -0/+33that was epic! creative got some really bad press there, no more creative or foxconn for me, or for anyone i can tell these stories.
- anylo, on 07/25/2008, -0/+32Maybe you should also inform MSI and others that you're going to vote with your wallet?
I do. - inactive, on 07/25/2008, -1/+32Crippling hardware for no reason would seem like a terrible idea for companies that sell hardware primarily to individuals or small-time builders. Would you really want a reputation for having your products by randomly compatible?
- Rikm, on 07/25/2008, -0/+31MSI is a fist-tier motherboard maker. Foxconn does not make boards for MSI, at least not in volume.
Foxconn does (or has in the past and will probably in the future providing it can outbid Pegatron/Asustek) make boards for desktop vendors, including Dell, HP, Acer, Apple, etc. - inactive, on 07/25/2008, -2/+33http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.o ...
In bill gates own words. - ToadLeg, on 07/25/2008, -1/+31@computershack
RTFA: the whole point is that they've fixed a bug that was intentionally inserted by Foxconn into their hardware for Linux. - DickBreath, on 07/25/2008, -0/+30@tgunner
Very interesting. Intel, Dell and HP support Linux, to varying degrees, in the order I listed them.
I believe Intel in particular would not be happy about their OEM sabotaging Linux. I don't think Dell would be happy either. Dell, in fact, mandated all their hardware suppliers to have Linux drivers within the year. -
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