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First look at Ubuntu 8.04 “Hardy Heron” beta

blogs.zdnet.com — I first took a look at Ubuntu 8.04, codenamed Hardy Heron, back in February when it was in the Alpha 4 stage. While that release was functional, it was also a bit unfinished and a little rough in places. This beta release in comparison is a lot more polished and refined. There are still a small number of known bugs that need dealing with, but ..

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  • motang, on 03/24/2008, -2/+43Using the beta right now, works well. I like the changes and enhancements Gnome has implemented.
    • theaceoffire, on 03/24/2008, -0/+10I am looking forward eagerly to their new sound stuff... individual sound control is gonna rock.
      • Mechtastic, on 03/24/2008, -7/+2Oh, you mean you guys haven't gotten pulseaudio yet? :P
        • beastlykings, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Its not that we haven't gotten something like that, its that it hasn't been install by default before, in this particular distro at least.
      • IEatHamburgers, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1Does it have the ability to sense when you have headphones plugged in like Vista does? It's nice to have the sound automatically turn off when you unplug the headphones.
        • theaceoffire, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I honestly haven't tried using headphones on my desktop.
        • Malachai, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1Well, for me, even in previous versions, it does.
        • dacheetah, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I can't stand that feature. I like to be able to set the output of the plugs, and have them remain the same until I tell them otherwise.
    • Kamujin, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Upgraded my DELL M90 from Gutsy and a lot of stuff broke.
      Since, I have home on a separate partition, next stop was a fresh install from CD.
      Fresh install went smooth. I like it, but Gutsy is adequate for my main box (gen3 macBook Pro) until release.
      • TeacherOfHeroes, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1"a lot of stuff broke."

        File a bug report. Maybe you have filed a bug report, and if so this comment isn't directed at you.

        It always amazes me that people can find the time to come round to digg or other forums and discuss the problems that they had with beta/alpha OSS, but often times it never even occurs to them to file a bug report about the problem. It seems like they're less interested in helping to make it better than they are about criticizing it.
    • keeganspeck, on 03/24/2008, -2/+3I have no clue why, and I couldn't tell you how many different ways I've tried to remedy the situation, but since I got Gutsy I can't connect to a secure network. It's like it accepts the WEP but just doesn't connect. The only way I could fix it (I'm using Gutsy right now, way too kickass to give up) is to install Ubuntu with the alternate build and set up my configuration manually from the installer. Maybe I'm just a noob, but I've sertainly tried a ton of potential fixes. Wifiradar doesn't work, iwconfig etc doesn't work.
      • djbon2112, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I've got th eEXACT same problem! I try to connect to an encrypted wireless network, it tries to connect for a minute, and then just disconnects again without any warning or error dialog. It's a little frustrating, but I use wired most of the time so it's not unusable.
        • hyperair, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3Use the manual network configuration if all else fails. Or switch to ndiswrapper.
    • leszek, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2If you have an nvidia card and upgrade to hardy, you can run into this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-re ...
      • gavintlgold, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I believe this happened and caused me to not have sound. (I did boot).
        If you don't get sound at all after hardy, uninstall the 386 kernel modules and install the generic ones. Worked for me after a reboot.
        • leszek, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Yes, the same happened to me.
          The 386 kernel was working without the sound and the generic kernel wasn't booting

          Solved with:
          sudo update-initramfs -k 2.6.24-12-generic -u

          and switching the default to generic in the grub menu
          • kidcodea, on 03/24/2008, -1/+2ok, i'll tell mainstream granma that.
          • leszek, on 03/25/2008, -0/+2mainstream granma don't run beta software ...
        • gavintlgold, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Actually, all I did was remove the kernel in Synaptic. No problems. I guess the initramfs update is safer though :D
    • gavintlgold, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1This article let me realize the features that I had missed after switching to the beta.
    • xlar54, on 03/24/2008, -13/+2Hey look! A new world clock!

      ... not quite something to get all riled about... but then again, OSes these days are going more for looks than anything new and inventive. Im afraid we have hit the end of the road with operating system innovations.
    • dontaskagain, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Same here, dell laptop power management is still abit broken though :( Had to turn idle dim off, other than that all looks good, recommended
  • Aeuta, on 03/24/2008, -5/+17I had a test drive at PCLinuxOS 2007...it was great but when I tried installing I totally messed up my partitions. I went back and put in Ubuntu and everything was working once again. Ubuntu is still the distribution to use (at least for my hardware).

    Note to PCLinuxOS community: Great stuff so far but please do improve the installer for the 2008 release it was not as simple as the rest of the release. :)
    • mrynit, on 03/24/2008, -4/+8PEBKAC?
      • TeacherOfHeroes, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Blame the user, they're too dumb - our software is fine the way it is.

        /sarcasm
      • TeacherOfHeroes, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I went onto google and found a screenshot of the PClinuxOS partitioner. It has some usability issues. In the interests of good humour, I'll try to limit myself to constructive criticism.
        http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/upimages/wallp/p ...
        http://www.ehow.com/images/GlobalPhoto/Articles/21 ...

        * the button for the selected partition is either not depressed, or is highlighted only very slightly.
        * list of partition types along the top; is it a legend or a toolbar? I can't tell.
        * black text against too-dark colours on partition list and legend/toolbar.
        * buttons in "choose action " panel are ambiguous; "mount" must mount the partition, but what action does "mount point" perform?
        * What does "clear all" do? does it clear all changes, or erase everything/
        * There is no cancel button. Presumably hitting the X in the titlebar would undo all the changes, but I'm not sure.
        * Not sure at first glance what the distinction between "More" and "Toggle to expert mode" is.

        I'm not trying to pick on PCLinuxOS in particular, I think that every piece of software has some rough edges to round out. But to just blame it on the users isn't going to accomplish anything.
        • dacheetah, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Your links were cropped by the comment system again.
          But your constructive critisism looks like it's well thought out, so despite not seeing what you can see (and I'm too lazy to google up an image myself) I'll digg you up.
    • Blackrider74, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5What I have done for any Linux installation I've done, as well as my Windows installs, is use gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) to partition my hard drive. Download the ISO, burn a CD, and boot from it. What I do, is set up the partitions I want (for Linux, I set a / partition, a swap, and a /home). No matter what flavour of Linux I install, I tell it to use the partitions I've set up myself, rather than the built in one in the installer, as they often don't do what I want them to do for me.
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3I do not know how you managed to mess your partitions up with PCLinuxOS2007, but beyond that.. PCLinuxOS2007 rock totaly compared to ubuntu :P And their developer community really adress the important issues.. which one sadly cannot say about ubuntu.. 8.10 is still about eyecandy etc a whole lot.. =( When it should be a lot more about embracing routines like PCLinuxOS have for their graphic card install and drivers and more which really impressed me to say the least. Along with how good they been thinking the issue with network and wireless network features through.
  • DiggLive, on 03/24/2008, -45/+4Check CD for defects? What if the checker has a defect?
    • 4DFX, on 03/24/2008, -5/+45That would be detected too. Either way it means something went wrong, and you should re-download it.
      Unlike Windows, which would install anyway, and give you BSODs later.
    • andycr512, on 03/24/2008, -3/+36It works using a checksum. A checksum of the correct CD image is generated and stored on the released CD. The checker does a checksum of the CD and compares it with the checksum stored on the disk. If the checksum on the disk is damaged, unless the disc is damaged in exactly the same way (one in a trillion chance or so) it will register as incorrect.
    • DiggLive, on 03/24/2008, -23/+4FFS people, turn on your sarcasm detectors.
      • wigren, on 03/24/2008, -3/+30DiggLive, GTFO the Linux/Unix section.
      • mazza558, on 03/24/2008, -2/+29My Sarcasm Detector found no obvious sarcasm. Perhaps you should check your "context of thread" detector.
      • andycr512, on 03/24/2008, -3/+24My detector registered "question someone legitimately clueless about checksums would ask", not sarcasm.
      • celkin, on 03/24/2008, -0/+10Ooh, a sarcasm detector! That's a REALLY useful invention!
  • MistaMatt90, on 03/24/2008, -3/+74Ubuntu, still the distro to beat. Can't wait for the official release.
    • dcollins, on 03/24/2008, -6/+26I really wish they would change to a color scheme that wasn't so ugly....
      • svensko, on 03/24/2008, -7/+19What?! You don't like poop brown?!
      • Ademan, on 03/24/2008, -0/+12Just change it to "glossy" as soon as you install it? it's only a click or two, and you have a beautiful blue theme. I agree, a new default would be great, but it really SHOULDN'T be a big deal to veterans.
        • dcollins, on 03/24/2008, -1/+14Yea I understand that, but first appearance is everything. People who aren't familiar with ubuntu, aren't going to install something that looks like ***** (literally).
        • enterneo, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I couldn't get your tip, could you be more elaborative :)
      • gyver, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5Kubuntu's color scheme is nice shades of blue.
      • zwaldowski, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1It's orange now (only slightly better).
    • westyvw, on 03/24/2008, -2/+3Like a lot about Ubuntu, hoping this release is better. I use several distros that I would say beats Ubuntu though. Just a little too flakey. Here I am typing this on a Debian box upgraded through Sid, installed about 3 years ago. I have 2,800 packages installed, a ton of stuff. No Ubuntu box lasts that long.
      • Drizzit, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3I've never had a Ubuntu install go bad. I've had to leave the server edition and go back with debian because of better support by webmin, but overall it's as stable as anything else. Though at work most people stick with Fedora.
    • willynilly, on 03/24/2008, -6/+4Can't wait for Ubuntu Indigent Ignoramus.
  • Planets, on 03/24/2008, -20/+4*****
    • Planets, on 03/24/2008, -1/+8Great, got to love digg erasing comments upon submission.
    • quomen, on 03/24/2008, -1/+45 It was erased by the Church of Ubuntology.
  • neuron79, on 03/24/2008, -2/+33The blog author's picture creeps me out a bit.
    • l00s3r, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2It's General ZOD!
    • Rubio, on 03/24/2008, -1/+7He's also quite the wordsmith: "...With each incarnation I’m seeing improvements and betterments that make the OS better..."
      Maybe he should review a thesaurus before he goes on to review an operating system...
      • positron, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6Everybody's rappin' like it's a commercial
        Actin' like life is a big commercial
    • qwertyuio, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Definitely has the serial killer vibe going.
  • aldenhg, on 03/24/2008, -0/+13The beta isn't bad (I'm using it right now), but the upgrade process can leave a few problems, particularly with networking. So far I haven't seen any new features that make it a huge leap from Gutsy, though.
    • cdemi, on 03/24/2008, -7/+1look harder
    • KloroFormd, on 03/24/2008, -1/+12Here's the first new feature I noticed other than the wallpaper. It's now noob-resistant.

      http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/kloroformd/ ...
      • leszek, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1won't try it anyway ...
        • KloroFormd, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3At least try it in a VM. It seriously does nothing in the beta. I installed it in a VM with the sole-purpose of rm -rf /, and it failed me. :(

          You also can't log in as root at the login screen. It says "System administrator is not allowed to log in at this screen"
        • cawpin, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3"You also can't log in as root at the login screen. It says "System administrator is not allowed to log in at this screen"""

          No *****, Ubuntu's always had that limitation unless you enable it. It's a security feature.
          • KloroFormd, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Ubuntu has had a null password for root before. I set a password and still can't log in at the login screen.
          • minigamer1896, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1@KloroFormd: It is enabled seperately, at least was back in 7.04.
      • djbon2112, on 03/24/2008, -2/+2Eeh, I don't think they should completely disable it. It's got uses in some cases (format before reinstall, etc.), just not noob ones. A better solution would be to prompt with a warning: "Warning: This command will remove Ubuntu and all information on your hard drive(s). Are you sure you want to continue? y/n". I think most of the noob harm from rm -rf / comes from them not knowing what it does.
        • HonoredMule, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1There are about a dozen other (better) ways to wipe your drive(s).
      • trogdoor, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6That has been a feature of GNU rm for a while now ( which is why good trolls always post 'rm -rf /*'
    • NOFXY, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that because its a long term release, meaning they work more on bug fixes than implementing new features?
    • mtthwmiddleton, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2NOFXY, that's correct, this release is more about making what they already have more rock solid. I will say that I now have audio working on my laptop which was what was stopping me from going back to Ubuntu for the last couple of releases (switched laptops right after 6.10 and haven't had sounds since), after coming back to Ubuntu with this release, I see a lot of improvement, which is pretty impressive about only a year of releases.
  • Platinumwolf, on 03/24/2008, -0/+11I'm running the KDE4 version of Kubuntu 8.04, and it's really snappy. I'm really enjoying how fast the whole thing is working.
    • RobotBuddha, on 03/24/2008, -0/+8And the apps are starting to catch up. Just found out today that there's a kde4 port of k9copy.
      • ileftfark, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5Hell yes- Amarok 2 will be sweet when its final!
        • RobotBuddha, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Agreed. I've been trying out svn snapshots every now and again, and I'm loving how much bad stuff shows up every now and again. They're not even close to just aping the first amarok, but trying out lots of new ideas. A lot of them turn out to not be that good an idea to put in there, others have remained but with the commumity offering up a lot of extra suggestions on how to improve it. But it's clear that they're really working on making something really new as opposed to a simple point increase to the old amarok. I think it's one of the few applications I actually find myself a bit excited about the evolution of.
    • waspbr, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4I´ve just download the Live CD for Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4. I was really impressed, it's extremely fast and the interface looks so smooth... they said that the next release 8.10 will be 100% KDE 4, still that is one great looking OS.
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1Mmm.. if they just fixed the wireless so that it worked like it does in PCLinuxOS then we might be talking.. or the handling of drivers.. or.. the list is long.. :)
      • MattBD, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1My wireless works out of the box in Kubuntu. I tried PCLinuxOS and it didn't work at all!
  • syphern, on 03/24/2008, -6/+22I used the last ubuntu release and i have to admit, it is the best OS out there... the constant updates, the Compiz fusion effects, vast library of apps. I dont use it anymore, bought a macbook - leopard is amazing too, plus there is a lack of microsoft office on linux! But coming from a windows perspective, its an amazing OS!! just needs MS Office (openoffice doesnt cut it for me)...
    • BlaenkDenum, on 03/24/2008, -1/+9What is it about MS Office that steers you away from Open Office, what is missing, or what is the problem? I'm not arguing, I would just like to know, perhaps for the betterment of OpenOffice.
      • tjmb9, on 03/24/2008, -2/+7Personally, I feel like Open Office uses up resources more than MS Office. Also, the programs take a lot longer to start up, at least on my system.
        • Ademan, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3Here's a fun trick for you ubuntu (and debian and friends) users out there.

          dpkg-query -Wf '${Installed-Size} ${Package}n' | sort -nr | less

          this will list your installed packages from highest disk usage to lowest disk usage, openoffice-core almost universally seems to take the top spot, I still find it funny that on every machine I've tried, emacs weighs in right behind the linux kernel image... around 4th place.
        • BlaenkDenum, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Ah, I don't know much about this topic, but if I remember correctly, one is able to avoid using the Java runtime environment in OpenOffice by changing something in the settings, this supposedly makes it a lot faster, but I'm not sure on that.

          Here's a link with more optimization information: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28209/H ...
      • idntunknwn, on 03/24/2008, -0/+13I use OpenOffice all the time, but I can definitely see OpenOffice's weaknesses. In particular, it doesn't seem very polished.

        Want to see the lack of polish yourself? Try cropping an image in Writer. The cropping process is hilarious. There are many other examples where OpenOffice lacks polish, but this is just the most stunning one for me
    • quelcertoleo, on 03/24/2008, -0/+7Is not a matter of resources or "does not cut it", I'd really like people to justify technically such comments. :/
      Main issue, at least for me and only at work, is that heavily customized macros in xls documents simply won't work over openoffice, never.
      So, I'm forced to stick with Office in some way, I virtualize XP and that's it.
      However, for a very normal routine (ie. at home or simple office stuff) OpenOffice is simply perfect.
      • westyvw, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2For my business, I got away from MS office a long time ago because OpenOffice handled large documents (around 500 pages) so much better, and the integration of the Spreadsheet and Writer were actually better then MS Office. Moving on to better scripting languages, plus the ability to work with the open format through python and web pages made it a snap. Breaking the habit of the XL and VBA macros paid off in the long run.
    • Elvaanish, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3Well soon linux users will have another free(cost-wise) alternative, Lotus Symphony from IBM, I know I'm certainly looking forward to it. Less 1998 looking than open office, nice clean interface, time will tell of course, but its looking promising, without the 450$ price tag or whatever obscene amount M$ is charging for office 2007.
      • cawpin, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3It's Lotus. Why would you do that to yourself?
      • TheSpook, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Have you ever tried Lotus SmartSuite? Ugh. IBM should really lose the Lotus brand. It strikes fear and disgust in most of my colleagues, thanks to Lotus Notes.
    • prophetpimp, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Office 2003 works well in wine. I have Ubuntu in my office laptop and i really can't function without MS office so i used wine to install it and so far it has been great.
      • BlaenkDenum, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I prefer 2003 over 2007, and many other friends do too.
  • tehstapl0r, on 03/24/2008, -18/+7I know it gives me one Hardy Heron, if ya know what I mean! *wink wink*

    Eh, screw it. I tried.
  • Frosty122, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5can't wait to try wubi, i've tried to switch i really have, it's just hard at least for me to use, even when i research how to do things it just doesn't work. So hopefully Wubi will let me have best of booth worlds
    • SlalomMan, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1Wubi's been around for a while...you know that, right? I think they have probably just integrated it/assimilated it into the Ubuntu deal, though. I used it to install Ubuntu on my desktop about a year ago.
    • djbon2112, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2While they're amazing ideas, I think they're lost on those of us who use Linux now. But hey, anything to get more Windows users to come over! It's alright, we don't bite! :p
    • chargersfan39, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Yea more Windows users = more people spending more time improving linux
    • orijimi, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Wubi never worked for my Dell. The only thing that worked was installing it on this weak as hell machine.
    • zwaldowski, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1What's your sort of problem? Which Windows do you have now? There are some great tutorials out there.

      In fact, APC Mag has a great tutorial for installing Linux:
      http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with ... (Vista first)
      http://apcmag.com/6101/dualboot_windows_xp_and_ubu ... (XP first)
    • fani, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Wubi method isn't working on my Thinkpad T-61 with Win XP SP2.

      It boots up and gets to an initramfs prompt. Tried a bunch of things but its still not working.
      Under VMWare, Kubuntu HH Alpha 6 with KDE4 works just ok. Its prone to random lockup and many times, I had to reinstall from the iso. Never got time to figure it out.....
      A shame since it looks very polished.
  • tcpip4lyfe, on 03/24/2008, -1/+30This website has too much clutter.
    • westyvw, on 03/24/2008, -4/+1You know I agree with you completely. Its ironic to me that the "windows" tech crowd, and their followers always have ugly sites. Makes me want to ignore them when they are trying to decide whats useful because they seem to not mind crap.
  • phambam, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5Wubi looks pretty interesting. Will definitely have to try that out.
  • stokd, on 03/24/2008, -9/+4I haven't used it, but it seems like major releases are happening every couple months or so. Are there really that many changes between say whatever version 6 is compared to this one? Why don't they stick with one version like how for example OS 10 is, like say this one was version 7.1 or something rather than 6.0, 7.0, etc. Again I haven't used it but are the leaps really that big?
    • AnimobileAWS, on 03/24/2008, -0/+18The version numbers are based on the release dates. For example 8.04 will be released in April 08
      • fLUx1337, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Oh nice, I didn't know that at all.

        Maybe I should stop looking forward to Ubuntu 9.13 :(
    • clickwir, on 03/24/2008, -1/+7Ubuntu releases a major release every 6 months. At that time come new features and major upgrades. Then they stop new features and major upgrades until the nest release (6months from then) and only provide security and basic updates to fix problems. It helps keep things reliable.

      Microsoft? Naw, they think it's cool then they push it. Broken systems and all.
    • djbon2112, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3Frankly, "sticking to one version" is, in my opinion, incredibly stupid, unless the upgrades aren't worth noting (i.e. Mac OSX). I think Ubuntu's numbering scheme is brilliant and very useful.
    • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5Ubuntu is an example of why moving from Windows to Open Source Operating System is the best way to go. Look at the development cycle for Windows compared to your average Linux distro and look at the advancements which appear in each. Each new release of Ubuntu sees major advancements while with Windows we see only a degradation of advancements and only new problems.
      • djbon2112, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Agreed. Every 6 months I see an improvement in Ubuntu. With Windows, we had 6 years of staleness, then a "new" OS which was, on the surface, not that different from the old one, and even underneath, not worth 6 years of waiting.
  • Jovensdesciple, on 03/24/2008, -14/+16I'll plug my "Hardy Haron" into her "beta".
    • elpresidente408, on 03/24/2008, -1/+4I first misread it as Hardy Hardon
      • thecheatah, on 03/24/2008, -2/+2I thought that what it said, until I read your comment.
  • compgeek, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6wow that looks nice as hell. I've dual booted vista with 7.10 X64 but I figure this may be the OS that makes me say bye bye vista forever. I'll just use the newest version of wine to load up my games and MS office other than that Hardy Heron has it all

    dugg
    • Oysterville, on 03/24/2008, -4/+2Some hell analogies work. Yours does not.
    • TheSpook, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Actions speak louder than words. ;)
  • sn0wmis3r, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5broken broadcom wireless :(
    • mthode, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2you find a fix?
      • sn0wmis3r, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I've been trying with no luck, it's an issue with the latest kernel, if you boot into 2.6.22 it works, 2.6.24, nope
        linuxwireless.org says it needs a patch so I guess we wait
        • InferiorWang, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2but intels 496agn works under the latest kernel without having to do anything!
    • clickwir, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5Maybe just the beta.... broadcom wireless has been fixed since Gutsy. I have a laptop with it and it's soooo much easier than it used to be. And this release will be even better, I hear no ndiswrapper is needed.... that means more stable and faster. Nice.
      • sn0wmis3r, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I have the unsupported BCM 4328 chip so I had to ghetto rig it with ndiswrapper and older drivers in gutsy, so I'm not sure what to do with 8.04
      • PixelCloud, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I've always had issues with the firmware cutter... It always drops my connection during large file transfers...
    • PixelCloud, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3You can use ndiswrapper.... they use a new kernel driver in 8.04 (i think), there is an init.d script kicking around that basically just unloads ndiswrapper, ssb, and b43 and reloads them in a specific order (this worked for me).

      https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+b ...
    • PixelCloud, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+b ...
  • tacotruck08, on 03/24/2008, -0/+9Can we update to 8.04 from 7.10?
    • trogdoor, on 03/24/2008, -0/+17Yes, the option to upgrade will be automatically offered to you when 8.04 is released.
    • sn0wmis3r, on 03/24/2008, -1/+7if you want to try out the beta now just run 'update manager -d'
      • Ademan, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6you're right, but really... upgrades are shaky enough as it is without upgrading to a beta...
        • bagboyrebel, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2well that's what I did and I haven't had any problems.
        • leszek, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5well that's what I did and I got no sound after reboot.
          Solved by looking at the bug reports on launchpad ... so it's not a problem for me.
          Just to warn beginners to wait until release.
      • thecheatah, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6Please dont do that!
    • clickwir, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Of course. Check out these links for some more info:
      http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta
      http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading

      I just upgraded my Kubuntu 64 bit Gutsy to Hardy 64bit on the 20th and it's been flawless.
  • coachmcguirk, on 03/24/2008, -10/+6Am I the only one who thinks "Hardy Heron" is a stupid name?
    Or maybe I am missing something, anybody care to fill me in?
    • soot, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5Its better than intrepid ibex or whatever.
    • ileftfark, on 03/24/2008, -1/+10Yes they have an "adjective/animal" format, and have gone in alphabetical order since Breezy Badger (although they skipped "C" and went right to 'Dapper Drake'). The distros are typically only referred to by the adjective (ie, I'm currently running Gutsy), but I think that will change with intrepid ibex - "Ibex" is a better name for a version than "Intrepid", imho.
    • InferiorWang, on 03/24/2008, -6/+1All of their names are kind of stupid. The point of Hardy Heron is to emphasize stability and everything working out of the box since this is their next long term support (LTS) platform.
    • emblemparade, on 03/24/2008, -3/+2The code-names are supposed to be lighthearted, unpretentious, and perhaps fun. Compare with "Tiger" and "Leopard" in OS X or "Longhorn" in Windows. Canonical's is trying to brand Ubuntu as an operating system that delivers in practice, rather than pretends to deliver in theory. The amount of flack they're getting for their codenames, though, makes me think that perhaps they overshot their target...
    • Atomic1fire, on 03/24/2008, -3/+3The names are supposed to be unserious
      Who needs total seriousness
      All ubuntu need to take a joke
    • minigamer1896, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1Each name is set so that it gives an idea as to how that version of the distro is. Hardy Heron is supposed to be both regal and last for a long time as it's a LTS release.
  • fuckingusername, on 03/24/2008, -0/+18talk about bad web design,read a paragraph click to next page
    but the OS is looking better every new release
  • mistycabal, on 03/24/2008, -1/+0Looks very cool. I still don't see a straight-up install on the install screen though - just the Wubi (which is very good for converting people!) and the 'Demo and Install'. I disliked the demo and install the last few go-arounds because it slowed down my computer to a crawl running an instance of Ubuntu -while- installing. I just want a plain install (non-demo) option again. BUT! Aside from that, it looks like lots of enhancements and very good stuff.
    • InferiorWang, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1You can install before booting the full live OS.
    • bas4ball, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0The alternative install disk allows you to install Ubuntu directly instead of booting into the GUI.
  • PeeDubya, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I have a Dell Dimension 2300. It sucks that Ubuntu won't install on it. I would love to boot Windows out of there.
    • ileftfark, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1i think it has to do with your two graphics cards. try removing one, and then installing. you should be able to tweak the system once you log into X so that you can get your preferred one working.
    • PeeDubya, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0I only have one monitor and one graphic card. To reply to your message, I tried to display its properties in device manager. The program is still hung. I think I am beginning to see a pattern here. Perhaps its time for a new video card.
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1Try PCLinuxOS2007. Kicks Ubuntus arse any day. It is a great distro far better than Ubuntu.
  • stewacide, on 03/24/2008, -2/+6I upgraded, but I hardly notice anything difference. I've been using Ubuntu on my desktop since 5.04 and this is the most underwhelming update.
    • carrtoonist, on 03/24/2008, -4/+1I haven't tried it yet but feisty was pretty underwhelming, imho. For hardy it looks like the biggest improvement was wubi which is significant for people switching from windows but not for current users.
    • mrmacky, on 03/24/2008, -0/+11I have to say it seems that most improvements were either very behind the scenes (GVFS, PulseAudio) that no one will even notice on a day to day basis, or they were aimed at new users / Windows users (Wubi related stuff)

      But then again this is the next LTS release, so I guess they wanted to keep it on the stable side, as opposed to introducing a bunch of new stuff that would be bad for something they're supporting for a long time.
    • sloppychris, on 03/24/2008, -0/+13It's an LTS release. The focus is on stability, not features.
  • layron, on 03/24/2008, -2/+1If only live CD would support raid install for most motherboard raid chip sets (software raid) I just don't want to buy another serial hdd just to install Ubuntu as much as I like the distro
    • cawpin, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Software RAID doesn't care what chipset it is. As long as the drive shows up you can RAID it during install.
      • minigamer1896, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1It is an issue for the live-cd, the installer-only version does have it though.
  • enportugal, on 03/24/2008, -13/+2Fedora 8 is way more advanced than Ubuntu...
    Don't understand this Ubuntu craziness...
    • counterpt, on 03/24/2008, -0/+6The problem for me is rpm.
    • Ademan, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5have fun with your baseless fanboyism... oh... and rpm too...

      really though, fedora is a fine desktop distro... but it is not "way more advanced than Ubuntu" the differences between desktop distros are for the most part very minor, no one is really that much better than another...
    • mrno, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3I use both. Apt is a bit more superior than yum. It is a bit more easier to maintain. I understand what you are getting at. I think people love Ubuntu, because the community worked really hard to provide various documentations instead of tweaking and promoting the distro. I love all Linux.
      • init100, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1"Apt is a bit more superior than yum."

        Care to elaborate?
        • mrno, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1I think it is impossible cramp and write the history of Debian in a small window box. How about it has been around more than a decade than yum? Many of the issues with apt has been fixed by year 1997. More than 10 years ago. Yum is still going through a growing pain.
    • derubermensch, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Get Samba working right
    • MattBD, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Partly because Ubuntu has a great and really helpful community behind it, and part because apt is easy to use. There's also a lot of packages available for Ubuntu (as far as I know there are more than for Fedora, plus there's others in GetDeb).
  • daxsymbiont, on 03/24/2008, -16/+2who cares. I'm still forced to use windows because most program that I'm required to run don't run or don't run reliably or fast enough on linux. Let alone the same for games.

    face it. linux has sub-par commercial software support. and we shouldn't normally care but some programs are a requirement. let alone some games don't run - most games don't run either.
    • svensko, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5In some industries the software is made to specifically work in a unix environment... Did you think of that?
    • reed311, on 03/24/2008, -12/+1I'm going to have to agree. I've owned several computers and never once have I been able to install any Linux distro (including Ubuntu) without some problem. You get what you pay for with Linux. People feel like they are rebelling against something with Linux, even though Windows is, by far, a better operating system.
      • bagboyrebel, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5really? are you saying windows doesn't have any problems? My ubuntu installation works much better than my windows computer, and the few problems i had were easy fixes.
    • gavintlgold, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3If it's Photoshop you're wanting, it works perfectly with wine. Just letting you know.
    • RetepNamenots, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3What doesn't work for you?

      All my steam games work, photoshop cs2 now works, and I just got Bioshock and Crysis working properly yesterday. I'm now completely off windows.
  • addicted68098, on 03/24/2008, -6/+4I upgraded Friday and it is basically the same. In fact it worries me that people could get so excited over such minor changes. Let's face it before we know it websites and blogs will be created to track every little GUI change and before we know it articles about an unnoticeable increase of a border width in a popular gtk app make digg's front page. Not much different then the *Leopard* release.
    • InferiorWang, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1For me the excitement is the new kernel which makes my wireless work out of the box. No need to worry about mac80211 and iwl4965.
  • brwright, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5This is great. I am using a KVM switch and had to install it using the CD on Vista and XP. It worked right out of the box with Ubuntu.
  • thepxc, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5I've been using it since the day it came out (Kubuntu). No real noticeable changes, except that KDE 3.5.9 breaks Amarok's ability to detect media devices.
  • sparrowkc, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Can someone tell me how to use the advanced features of pulse audio? I suspect that the old volume panel applet just doesn't support them, but will this be fixed?
    • scamper22, on 03/24/2008, -1/+3sure, install pauvcontrol. It has the advanced volume control settings.
      I created a shortcut on the top panel for it. Tested it out and it works well. You can see all the audio streams and adjust their volumes independently.
    • Ademan, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3I assumed you just used it by using the volume control provided by certain applications (totem, rhythmbox, mplayer, probably vlc) But really I haven't touched it yet so i'm talking out of my ass.
  • rnideffer, on 03/24/2008, -3/+14Wow, what an insightful blog post. He copied and pasted the ubuntu.org description of Hardy Heron perfectly! Great commentary!!!

    Jesus, this guy is a ***** douche. Quit digging him assholes.
    • mswope, on 03/24/2008, -1/+5I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that he was just posting what was already posted on the Ubuntu.org webpage.
    • warbird, on 03/25/2008, -0/+1word. gets a lame bury from me
  • InorganicMatter, on 03/24/2008, -2/+8I installed the Kubuntu-KDE4 Hardy beta and was disappointed. Performance was markedly slower than openSUSE's latest KDE4, and I encountered several oddities in the file manager and CD handling.
    • westyvw, on 03/24/2008, -2/+3You know you arent going to earn Digg's with that kind of talk! But I will agree, Ubuntu is slow, Kubuntu is a mess. There is soooooo much better out there. Never can figure out why Ubuntu is so popular. I would prefer Sidux, Sabayon, Debian, Slackware, PCLinux OS, Mandriva and Mepis over Ubuntu. Like in this article, telling me Brassero is good? Come ON! K3B is miles beyond, even better then Nero (yes you could use it under Ubuntu, yes its in Kubuntu, but its NEVER configured very well out of the box). Rant Off
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1yeah.. Ubuntu isn't what I call great. Anyone that used PCLinuxOS2007 would say the same. Agree :)
      • tuxisawesome, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0I've used PCLinuxOS 2007 and it SUCKS! Ubuntu and openSUSE FTW!
    • andycr512, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I've started working on a KDE 4 app and I must say I'm surprised by how bad the KDE 4 support in hardy is at the moment. It crashes constantly and feels incomplete. I'm thinking of switching my working box to another distro just for that...
  • kahrytan, on 03/24/2008, -0/+8Yet, No showing casing of Metacity's Shadows/Transparencies.

    GNOME 2.22 introduces window compositing on capable platforms. Fitting with GNOME's "keeping it simple" policy, the features are very low key. The most noticeable changes are drop shadows on windows, live previews when switching windows with Alt+Tab, and transparency effects.

    Not all graphics hardware reliably supports compositing, so this feature is currently turned off by default and not yet exposed in the preferences. If you know you have graphics hardware that supports compositing, you can run the following command: gconftool-2 -s --type bool /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true from the run dialog, or set the key in the Configuration Editor. To disable compositing, set the key to false.
  • SilverhammerMBA, on 03/24/2008, -2/+5Also a big reason why I boot into Windows more frequently than Ubuntu: office. It's regrettable, but the fact is that I know MS Office better than OpenOffice and MS Office 2007 is the standard at my college. Open Office doesn't work well with docx, xlsx, etc. However, I think this issue will be sorted out as office formats are standardized (here's hoping MS doesn't win!).
    • ileftfark, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Your point is valid, and like you hinted, the problem deals more than MS being stubborn in standardizing formats than an inherent flaw in Linux. We'll see how the new MS/Novell deal pans out.
    • Jawshie, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Um... regardless of standards, Microsoft is still going to push their own products. Just look at IE7! ODF is already an official standard and Microsoft doesn't include support for it...
    • MrViklund, on 03/24/2008, -0/+4Yea. Well. I can see your point. I think that for most users, OpenOffice is more than enough.
      The biggest problem I have with OpenOffice is the Spell checker. The Spell checker/dictionary is way better in Office. But. What the expect. Open Office is free. Office is a commercial product and Microsoft is probably licensing the dictionaries from another company. When it comes to your issue with docx, xlsx and so. Open Office 3.0 will fix that. It comes with support for Microsoft's new file formats and much much more. It even looks like they got full support for Office's tracking feature.
    • itsontheway, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3One can only hope. As much as I hate Microsoft Product´s, Open Office is sorely lacking when stacked up against Microsoft´s offerings in that specific area. I wouldn´t mind so much if I could take any office document and bring into open office, but I always have to readjust when I do that, and for school or work, it is a total pain in the ass. Let´s just hope, as you said, the open standards bring improvements for both products.
    • questro, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1There is a long term solution to the problem you raise of "Office 2007 is the standard at my college". That solution can begin with you. Get involved with "Document Freedom Day" 3/26/2008.
      http://www.documentfreedom.org
      Talk it up among your friends, present this information to your college decision makers.
      To have OpenOffice.org constantly chase MS formats will continue to keep many a slave to proprietary document formats.
  • IWDA4, on 03/24/2008, -10/+2Hardy Heron is a form of Ubuntu
  • peestandingup, on 03/24/2008, -0/+7Sounds good. Since Ubuntu is supposed to be the quintessential consumer-friendly Linux OS, they sound like they are making it as intuitive as possible & pushing to the background all the "scary" Linux stuff (like the Terminal). Which is what they should be doing.
  • plethorex, on 03/24/2008, -4/+2I've been trying really hard to find a reason to use my Ubuntu partition, but when it boils right down to it, everything I would want to do on Ubuntu is available on Windows, in addition to being able to play my favorite games and access all of my data. Why should I use Ubuntu? What is my incentive?
    • carrtoonist, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Hard to say unless you use windows in any significant capacity, in which case there are plenty of reasons to switch.
      • plethorex, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1For me, it seems like most of the stories I hear of people transitioning over to Ubuntu are people who are using it for web browsing and email. That's fine and all, but I could use Windows 95 to do that without much of a hitch. Programming and graphics applications seem to be lacking (GIMP is nice, but it's no Photoshop) which is 90% of what I really *need* for my computer to be efficient at.
    • sloppychris, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5Viruses?

      And before you say you don't get viruses because you're smart and use a virus scanner, let me say this:

      Resources?

      Also stability, cost savings, open standards (so you'll be able to read your data in 10 years without upgrading software every 18 months), more control over your system, Amarok music player natively, I could go on...
      • TheSpook, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I agree on the resources part, but not enough to make me switch for that alone. I personally like the openness of Linux.

        Does anybody (with even a marginal clue) really get viruses anymore? You don't see the widespread outbreaks in the news much anymore...
        • init100, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1"You don't see the widespread outbreaks in the news much anymore..."

          Maybe because widespread outbreaks are so common that they aren't news anymore? :p
      • plethorex, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Funny you mention resources, considering I can't run the 64 bit version of Ubuntu because my graphics card isn't supported, and proprietary drivers don't come natively on the 64 bit version. Leaves 2 gigs of RAM to waste.

        And most of my data is stored in cpp files, occasionally cs files. Are their options available that can contend with Visual Studio? Most of the development tools I've tried using on Linux (which aren't many, I'm just a lowly business application programmer) were subpar and slow.

        Funny that I get dugg down for asking a serious question about Ubuntu. I thought the intent was to help people see the light, not bury them down.
        • init100, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1"Funny you mention resources, considering I can't run the 64 bit version of Ubuntu because my graphics card isn't supported, and proprietary drivers don't come natively on the 64 bit version."

          What graphics card are you using? I use 64-bit Fedora with the proprietary nVidia graphics driver, and it works fine. The same should be possible in Ubuntu.

          "And most of my data is stored in cpp files, occasionally cs files. Are their options available that can contend with Visual Studio?"

          cs files, let me guess c# source files? There is Monodevelop, but I don't know how it compares to VS. I don't develop in C#/.NET.

          "Most of the development tools I've tried using on Linux (which aren't many, I'm just a lowly business application programmer) were subpar and slow."

          There are excellent development tools on Linux, but not for .NET.
    • RobotBuddha, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Upgrades are free and intended only to add functionality. In proprietary operating systems the main method is to create something cool and then decide how to impose artificial limits on them which people will have to pay to opt into. It's often not a huge deal, but it becomes glaringly apparent at times. Also important to me is the willingness of linux developers to actually try wild new ideas. In the propritary world, the average view of things is king.
  • phantom_mullet, on 03/24/2008, -1/+10I actually just installed it via Windows today to try it out...the sound now works on my Toshiba P100 (thanks Ubuntu devs!), and things are looking good!

    By the way, if you're looking to replace Orange/Brown City (a.k.a. Human), a great theme I found (design-wise) is Elegant Brit:
    Here's a preview image: http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/745 ...
    Link to the theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Elegant ...

    DIGG FIX THE BUG WHERE THE DAMN LINKS DON'T WORK IF YOU EDIT YOUR COMMENT!
    /rant
  • dimebonics, on 03/24/2008, -6/+3Hey, if you combine Hardy and Heron you get Hard-on! Ubuntu naming schemes are the greatest!
  • Noctem, on 03/24/2008, -0/+25Wow, what a great 'review'. Basically, all he did was copy nearly verbatim the release notes found at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/beta and split them up into 4 pages. Genius.
    • trogdoor, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I vaguely remember the same editor ( from the creepy picture ) doing an article critical of Ubuntu with just as little actual substance. In other words he tried getting attention as a troll and has realized that it's easier to get page views with fanboism. Pretty sad how well it actually works.
  • MrViklund, on 03/24/2008, -1/+4It's a beta for god's sake!
    • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1Windows buttboys would be going all ga-ga if this were an article on the beta of Windows 7.
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I so agree... god's sake is totaly beta..
  • cornflakepirate, on 03/24/2008, -2/+13This is such a crappy article. He basically just took a bunch of screenshots and then wrote 1 sentence to describe each. Like, "One of the most significant changes is the new Nautilus file manager that uses the GVFS virtual file system." Ok, that's great, but what is GVFS? I know what it is, but that's because I've read other, more descriptive articles about it. I mean, learn how exposition works!

    BTW: multiple pages = instant bury.
    • TheSpook, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2> "BTW: multiple pages = instant bury."

      But marketing told me that users don't like to scroll below the fold! ;P
  • bas4ball, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3I installed 8.04 through a VM, and even then it ran as fast (if not faster) than Leopard on my MacBook. I think this is one of the most promising releases yet, and can't wait for the final release in April. My only complaint is Kubuntu with KDE 4 is too buggy to be even functional. It could have something to do with running in a VM, but, alongside several other major bugs, my desktop would disappear after changing screen resolutions, and some other stuff. I definitely understand Canonical's decision to withhold Kubuntu from being a LTS release.
  • chillybasen, on 03/24/2008, -6/+1That looks about as exciting as Windows XP -- show me some more file copying!
  • tehjarvis, on 03/24/2008, -2/+3Ubuntu seems to be getting more and more simple to install, and because of that, more and more bloated. Hopefully next release they'll start to try slimming it down a bit.
    • Mohonri, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3Compare it to the competition. Vista doesn't fit on a single CD. Ubuntu not only fits on a single CD, but that same CD also contains everything needed to run it as a LiveCD, as well as applications to do pretty much anything a normal user would do with a computer. Granted, once it's installed, it takes up a few gigabytes, but that's for the OS plus all the applications. How many tens of gigabytes does a typical Vista install occupy?
  • mrmacky, on 03/24/2008, -0/+5I'm honestly not to pumped about this release. With the exception of having Firefox 3 out of the box, there's not much "exciting" about this release. Granted it's LTS and they don't want to introduce anything that would make it more difficult to support, I'm just more excited about the next version, which we can only hope has "experimental" features that they didn't want in Hardy because it's LTS.

    (Also I'm not at all excited about Wubi because I don't currently have any [working] Windows machines...)
    • sloppychris, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2New theme in 8.10 !
    • ThinkDave, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2Pulse Audio is pretty sweet if it works how it should then you can have different volumes for each application which at the moment tends to bug me.
      • vincentweber, on 03/24/2008, -0/+3The great thing about Pulse Audio is that it is compatible with both OSS and ALSA so that these two don't conflict with each other anymore. I think different volumes per app can be great. For example: If you use your laptop/computer as radio in your living room you can decide to turn off the volume of a game you like to play or putt the sound on the headset and the radio on the speakers. Or if you are using mumble (ventrilo-like app) you can putt the sound on your headset and the other sound on the speakers for when a friend is coming over.
  • samureye, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I didn't see any mention of Wubi when viewing the disc in Windows and there was no Live CD option when I booted with it. Strange.
    • vincentweber, on 03/24/2008, -0/+0Wubi is not on the disc. It's a Windows executable installer file. You have to download the installer from somewhere instead of the CD.
  • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -1/+6Ubuntu is looking more and more like the way to go. According to a new article Microsoft is looking to bend us over and ram rod us hard once again with Windows 7. They plan to nickel and dime us for special features. First they ship out an OS which is in my opinion still borderline Alpha code and now they plan to make us pay in order to use certain features of the next OS. I say ***** YOU MICROSOFT!

    If they do this it will be the end of their dominance in the OS market. People who are ***** off now over Vista will be royally ***** off with this. And guess who'll be waiting for them with open arms to receive them ... Apple and Linux. So go ahead Steve Balmer, go head and do this, and watch how fast it destroys your company.
    • vincentweber, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1I think that they are trying to suck the market dry before Windows is dead. They are moving towards web ads and the console market. This is just me thinking out load, though.
      • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1You might be right. Things are not going well for Microsoft right now in the OS business. We may be seeing the Last Days of Microsoft's market dominance.
    • bbqribs, on 03/25/2008, -0/+0Dude, people have been saying that since Windows 98, and unfortunately it just hasn't happened. It likely won't happen. If anything, the increased marketshare will go to Apple.

      Nice daydream, though.

      /this simple and annually repeated fact will probably just get dugg down
  • aldableep3, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2hmm wubi.. never thought to try it. must b worth a try if they're including it on the official release. finally a way to install ubuntu and remove it without the possibility of wrecking your partitions
    • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -0/+2I've used the Wubi 7.10 alpha for a while now and I have to say I'm really impressed with how well it works.
  • marius311, on 03/24/2008, -0/+11Ubuntu is great, but this article is garbage. Its literally no new information besides the Canonical page.
    • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -1/+1True, it would have been nice to have a more in depth review, but this is a Pro-Microsoft website we're talking about.
    • Cryoniq, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Try PCLinuxOS2007. Then return here and you will not have that opinion anymore. I am giving you a really hot and nice tip here, and not trying to patronise you.
      • TheZorch, on 03/24/2008, -0/+1Oh there are some really nice distros out there. Ubuntu isn't the only gem in the rough. Sabayon Linux is pretty interesting since it has several features already included like MP3 playback capability, Divx support, and I could be wrong but I think DVD playback is enabled but I could be wrong. I uses Aptitude just like Ubuntu does for adding and removing new applications with a simple point and click interface.
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