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- Avian00, on 10/06/2008, -2/+81"Ubuntu 8.10 has also gained Dynamic Kernel Module Support (DKMS), a new framework developed by Dell that will automatically rebuild kernel modules when new versions of the kernel are released. This improvement will hopefully prevent third-party drivers from breaking when kernel updates are pushed down to users."
FREAKING FINALLY!!! - mcprogrammer, on 10/06/2008, -1/+20Not everyone can or needs to buy a new laptop every couple years.
- neileroberts, on 10/06/2008, -4/+21I have been using Ubuntu for a few years now and used to think the same way. What is becoming more and more apparent to me though, is that getting things to work "out of the box" on a range of Linux distros is now better than Windows. I have spent hours scouring the Internet looking for drivers for this or that, Looking for something that can play MP3's or DVDs without hiccuping. Ubuntu just works. Windows is looking more and more amateurish all the time.
When windows incorporates a tool like apt, and has repositories available. Then they will have caught up again. - RaulMuadDib, on 10/06/2008, -1/+18I know.
It was in the article. - Benno, on 10/06/2008, -0/+16Why do mac users cite hardware compatibility as a reason they don't use linux when they're only able to use a small set of blessed hardware for OSX? You could buy a system76 machine and everything would "just work" too.
- muszek, on 10/06/2008, -0/+15And it won't work until you tell that to the responsible party. Right now your message is: "you guys can push any closed proprietary crap and I won't mind. I just paid you". I'm not trying to imply anything, but you running anything else on their hardware is not in Apple's best interest. It's better for them to choose hardware vendors that don't release FOSS drivers.
- hopecon, on 10/06/2008, -1/+16for your information, fedora is the leader in innovation, what you see in ubuntu has been implemented and developed in fedora six months ago.
kvm, pulse audio, compiz, dkms mentioned above ( akmod in fedora) and the list goes on... all these things was implemented in fedora long time before most distros
so, third class distro you say ? - theOster, on 10/06/2008, -3/+15is this "Dell" Dell? didnt know they did software, let alone contribute to OSS. good for them.
well i'll be damned. snot-nose grows up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module ... - m2ger, on 10/06/2008, -0/+8FWIW: just installed 8.10 a couple days ago and hibernate (suspend to disk) works on my HP nw9440 out of the box. This just rules!
- musntSurfatWork, on 10/06/2008, -0/+8nothing will ever run Crysis, the game was developed to reject anything above medium settings, it is a hidden script somewhere no one bothers to look into.
- klitzbtc, on 10/06/2008, -0/+7Wait, what's still a third class distro?
- Gryffydd, on 10/06/2008, -1/+8Distro fanboys. Because hating Windows just isn't enough.
I've actually had much better luck getting Fedora to recognize and work on a broader range of hardware than Ubuntu. (Until their stupid xorg/nVidia debacle with Fedora 9.) - gyrfalcon, on 10/06/2008, -2/+9Care to explain a bit more? I've transferred terabytes of data from Ubuntu to Windows and vice versa with no problems.
- smoger, on 10/06/2008, -1/+8should we start pre-digging tomorrow's article that claims this version will be the one that gets people away from Windows?
- TehDoctor, on 10/06/2008, -1/+8There are reasons the kernel does not have a stable API. Linux would stagnate like Windows if it did.
It's not hard at all for OEMs to keep their drivers up-to-date, but only if their drivers are in the kernel tree. If you try to keep your proprietary garbage up to date, you will fail. OEMs should make high-quality, GPL drivers and get them in mainline. Then they won't have to worry about it. - inactive, on 10/06/2008, -0/+7No I think Vista is going to make a comback *rolls eyes*
- stuffradio, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6It works out of the box for newer wireless cards ;)
I have a laptop with wireless, and my friends wireless laptop works out of the box. My laptop is older, so I had to do some playing around with drivers. - loungechair, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6If a previous boot loaded got demolished by linux, then that's your fault. It always gives you the option of whether or not you clobber your MBR, and you apparently chose "yes, yes please go ahead and install a bootloader". XP and Vista, on the other hand, are very uncooperative and give you no option, they just go ahead and do it. Not to say that either operating system is better than the other, but in this case, you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
- ethana2, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6Dell is Awesome now. I've got a 1420n, and my mom is getting a 1525n wednesday.
...so that's $1.5 K from my family so far..
To be frank, Ubuntu is the only reason we even gave Dell a glance in the first place. - MicrosoftBob, on 10/06/2008, -0/+6"Distro fanboys. Because hating Windows just isn't enough."
We need a 'motivational' poster for this. - SDL486, on 10/07/2008, -0/+6I know exactly what you're talking about neileroberts. My sister messed up her laptop hardcore she didn't have any firewall or virus protection for months and uses limwire. So I decided the best thing to do would just reformat her HD and reinstall Windows XP. My GOD! I wanted to rip my hair out installing Windows back on her laptop. Ubuntu is 20x easier to install the partition tool is so much better and you also don't have to worry about finding a million drivers. I just wish my family members had a more open mind towards new ideas like Ubuntu.
- raydeen, on 10/06/2008, -1/+7Come over to Ubuntu. We have apt-get and cookies.
- vertexoflife, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5Actually, this isn't Canonical, it's the Kubuntu Developers. There will be a 3.5 version available later on.
- MattBD, on 10/06/2008, -0/+5Apparently yes (it works in Wine now, from what I hear)
- aywwts4, on 10/06/2008, -2/+7That is wasteful and stupid. A laptop represents a huge amount of energy and resources to create, along with a landmine of waste to be recycled after it is retired. I'm no eco-person but I think one thing every geek should do is try and get as much life as possible out of all of his gadgets.
This policy of throwing every cell phone laptop and gadget our the second a new one comes is unsustainable and irresponsible. - rnewson, on 10/06/2008, -2/+6The kernel team are firmly against such an interface. Look at Windows, its backwards compatibility kernel interface is what a) keeps it popular and b) makes it suck (or, at least, hard to 'fix').
If you want your device to remain supported as the kernel changes, get it into the kernel proper. It'll be maintained that way, but it requires you to release it under the GPL. Again, by design, not accident. - Benno, on 10/06/2008, -1/+5Fedora is from 2003. If you count its RH lineage you might as well compare it to Debian
- HonoredMule, on 10/06/2008, -1/+5Fedora is cutting edge.
In fact, it's so cutting-edge that running it is kind of masochistic. - cheeseplease, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4I don't like the default theme either, but within 10 minutes you can change your theming and adjust gnome and compiz and your desktop will be pure functionality and/or eyecandy. I don't think having quality developers is the problem, I think the problem is the amount of people working on it. I'm pretty sure Apple and Microsoft have huge design teams working full time on nothing but looks, while Fedora and Ubuntu maybe have one or two guys doing it spare time. I don't really care, it's easy and fun to make it pretty yourself.
- diggerpleez, on 10/06/2008, -0/+4I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.
- antoniuk, on 10/06/2008, -1/+4Ubuntu 8.10 is the best they have made so far. Aside from minor bug and one large scary one that was fixed pretty quick, I am looking forward to release. I just upgraded to it yesterday and the only problem I have is no closed source ati driver support yet (the open source ati driver sucks worse than a junior high prom date)
- ommadawn, on 10/06/2008, -1/+4You can install envy in Hardy to manage drivers for nVidia and AMD cards, it takes advantage of DKMS, as promised, the drivers are rebuilt each time the kernel is updated. Too bad it only works with graphic card modules.
- tripledjr, on 10/06/2008, -1/+4Love how his drive is named "segphault".
- inactive, on 10/06/2008, -4/+7Be nice if the power management for my laptop was included in one of these releases.
I've been trying each version of Ubuntu for years now, but it never works right for me.
I've made bug requests and such, but it's still just one of those "We are aware of this issue" thing.
Oh well. XP it is. - ethana2, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3For some.
For me, my dad, and my little sister, it was 2007.
For my mom, yes. THIS is the year. We order her 1525n in two days. - divinediva, on 10/06/2008, -5/+8PA is rapidly improving, and distributions are getting better at managing its configuration and exposing its advanced capabilities to end users.
- ethana2, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3If you switch before it's /out/, you'll just have more problems.
Wait one month, then switch. - MattBD, on 10/06/2008, -0/+3Macs use Broadcom wireless cards, and Broadcom are just about the only vendor left who don't provide the specifications developers need to write device drivers. It's possible to get it working using Ndiswrapper, which enables you to use the Windows drivers within Linux. Ubuntu has pretty good documentation about it:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook%20Pro
Ndiswrapper's not that hard to use. I used to use it when I first installed Kubuntu on my Dell laptop, but since Gutsy it's supported WPA out of the box so I don't need it anymore. - init100, on 10/07/2008, -0/+2@zemelo
"Self-changing ring zero code is recipe for disaster, this is a BAD idea."
What? Nobody said DKMS means that the kernel modifies itself. AFAIK, DKMS is a user-space system that recompiles third-party drivers when there has been a kernel update, it is completely unrelated to ring 0. - thevoiceless, on 10/07/2008, -0/+2I'm going to start telling people that, thank you!
- bhalo05, on 10/07/2008, -0/+2Good luck preaching sanity among these bunch. You're gonna need it.
- srg13, on 10/07/2008, -0/+2... but can you think of an original comment?
- Horace, on 10/06/2008, -1/+3The POS GUI filemanager doesn't handle Windows shares properly. Known bug for ages.
- loungechair, on 10/06/2008, -0/+2My firefox dictionary doesn't think that "movie" is a word.
- MicrosoftBob, on 10/06/2008, -0/+2No Dust for you!
- ethana2, on 10/06/2008, -0/+2To be fair, buying a machine that /comes with/ Ubuntu, like my Dell, will certainly eliminate your internal hardware problems.
--but if you think /our/ hardware support is bad, try OSX-- even after JaS and Kalyway have done their thing, it's horrible. - ElectricC0wb0y, on 10/06/2008, -0/+2I don't know if it is the best. Ubuntu short-term-releases always had a boatload of cutting-edge, innovative features that made them great. To the developers credit, there isn't anything really innovative happening right now.
Oh, and I saw ext4 utilities installed. Do the kernel modules work? Only non-boot drives? - melat0nin, on 10/07/2008, -1/+2Ah of course, because it doesn't run on your Mac it musn't be ready for the primetime. Take your head out of your ass.
- inksmithy, on 10/06/2008, -0/+1Even better: install openssh on your crappy windows box and run it as a service. Then when you need to connect to said crappy windows box, use the GUI "Connect to Server" doohickey to specify the IP of the crappy windows box and you have your share working. Hey look, you can even bookmark it.
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