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- thtroyer, on 04/14/2008, -8/+98Gimp is really an amazing editor as it is. I've been using it for photo editing, and some of the tools have really matured and become easier to use in the past year or so.
Changes like GEGL (this is the first I've heard of it) really open up some new potential for the Gimp. Can't wait to see what happens here.
As a hobbyist photographer, Gimp has been all I've needed for image editing. Besides, I can't justify dumping vast sums of money on Photoshop when I only have a $200 camera. Most of the time, all a photo 'needs' are some curves adjustment, rotating, cropping -- all of which the Gimp can do. I've experimented with HDR techniques (merging/masking multiple images) and have gotten great results in Gimp, but I try to do it tastefully, such that you can't tell if it's HDR or not. I get sick of some of the gaudy images that show up.
Anyways, here's my flickr -- any and all editing was done with the Gimp: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15357373@N03/ [/shameless self-promotion] ;)
But back on topic, I'm definitely going to check out 2.5.0 -- even if I have to grab the sources myself. :) - sirhomer, on 04/14/2008, -10/+72The interface is excellent if you know how to use virtual desktops or use a good window manager. Besides, The GIMP was designed to be dual monitor friendly and X11 friendly, Photoshop is not. This is a simple case of people used to Windows bitching because they are used to using a window manager that sucks ass at window management. They want programs themselves to do the job of the window manager which is silly and backwards.
- drag, on 04/14/2008, -5/+50> does this support CMYK
Sure. But I bet your printer doesn't. Most modern ones don't. As pointed out Gegl is revamping the rendering core of Gimp to blow the doors off of the previous limitations of 8bit RBGA (aka 32bit color)
Any sort of color you want. Up to and probably including 32bit RGBA (128bit color) or even 32bit floating point colors for nearly lossless editing for HD film and such.
Of course this is a early beta and I doubt it can do that right now. But that's the sort of thing Gegl is specificly designed to handle. This is still relatively early in the transition. If you need that right now in Linux you can always use Krita..
> So still no parent window...
It doesn't need one. t's designed for Linux. In Linux we have something called 'Window Managers' that actually do a very good job. Unlike, say, Windows. The easiest thing to do is simply setup a virtual desktop for gimp.
What I like to do, personally, is setup the main toolbar and editing window on one desktop then setup all the various dialogs arrayed on the next desktop. This way I do not have to fight with overlapping windows. There are also ways to lock windows together so they don't get mixed up with windows from other applications. Also you should try your hand at configuring Gimp to edit in full screen mode. This is something that is actually very useful if you learn how to actually use this program.
Most Windows-only folk don't realize this, but with Photoshop on Windows the parent Window thing is a throw back to deal with the crappy interface that Windows provides. If you take a look at Photoshop on OS X there is no parent window...
See:
http://www.wired.com/software/softwarereviews/mult ...
*gasp* no parent window.
BUT, if you really relay really need Gimp to run in a parent window then that is easily done with Xephyr.
http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omggimpgx4 ...
This is gimp running on my desktop. No hacks, just Gimp running inside of Xephyr with OpenBox window manager on my regular ol' Gimp desktop. The downside is that it can't be easily resized. But it works fine otherwise and took about 30 seconds to setup.
""There is A LOT of wasted space. Why does that toolbox need to be so frigging huge? Where will the color selector, layers, preview window, etc. fit? Why is the status bar with px 100% so thick?""
You don't have to leave it like that. That's the default theme. It has a 'tiny' theme that reduces all the icons down dramatically. Then the docks themselves are movable. You can move them and drag-n-drop them out of the toolbars and such. If you want it photoshop like then just remove the docks and resize the window so it's skinny.
"I guess that if you are editing images like the size of the ones from screen shots it works, but I'm doing a lot of texture painting on images of 4096x4096 and every pixel of free space on my monitor counts."
That's why you can go into the preferences and configure the fullscreen mode. Personally I like to get rid of the rulers and such and make the background black. Any artist worth his salt will have most of his favorite tasks memorized so that they can access them through keyboard shortcuts. Then it's a quick F11 button to toggle in and out of fullscreen mode. Plus you can still alt-tab through windows to go back and forth exceptionally quickly between what your editing and the particular dialog your using, even in fullscreen.
I am not saying Gimp is the best thing in the world. It does the job well enough, but of course people still love their photoshop (and with good reason)
But really, how much personal effort have you put into learning the program or are most you guys just repeating what some guy said on his blog 5 years ago or what you saw on slashdot? - Anonymous3, on 04/14/2008, -1/+41"This is the unstable development branch of GIMP. Here we are working
towards the next stable release, which will be GIMP 2.6."
Guess that's fair warning then.
And if you want to know why gimp is using gegl as its backbone:
"With GEGL you chain together image processing operations represented by nodes into a graph. GEGL provides such operations for loading and storing images, adjusting colors, filtering images in different ways, translating images etc
GEGLs programmer/user interface is a Directed Acyclic Graph of nodes. The DAG expresses a processing chain of operations. A DAG, or any node in it, expresses a composited and processed image. It is possible to request rectangular regions in a wide range of pixel formats from any node."
http://gegl.org/
And if you can be bothered to read more notes:
http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html
http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS - trogdoor, on 04/14/2008, -0/+35"... Note that 'CMYK' colors are immediately translated into RGB when used; GIMP does not have any built-in support for CMYK mixtures that cannot be represented in RGB, such as rich blacks, though they can be simulated to a limited extent with third-party add-ons"
None the less, GEGL will ( does ) support more color modes. - bludo, on 04/14/2008, -2/+36I'm sorry, but it doesn't look very different to me.
There is A LOT of wasted space. Why does that toolbox need to be so frigging huge? Where will the color selector, layers, preview window, etc. fit? Why is the status bar with px 100% so thick?
I guess that if you are editing images like the size of the ones from screen shots it works, but I'm doing a lot of texture painting on images of 4096x4096 and every pixel of free space on my monitor counts. - ArthurSucks, on 04/14/2008, -1/+31That's what's going to be so hot about GEGL. It WILL support more color modes.
- Aitese, on 04/14/2008, -4/+33No one mentioned Photoshop until you brought it up. This is about GIMP. You like Photoshop, you buy it, you use it. No problem. Stop being a clown.
- siroki, on 04/14/2008, -0/+25"GIMP now always keeps an image window open and the default configuration treats the toolbox and docks as utility windows."
That means the "parent" window will be the document window itself, and when you activate it, the toolbox and dock windows will pop up as well. - keyo, on 04/14/2008, -3/+27Yup, it is. But better than having 10 tasks on your bar.
- ArthurArchnix, on 04/14/2008, -4/+27What a terrible review. Didn't seem to know anything about Gimp or what new features are available. Didn't even know the difference between left and right. Buried as lame.
- neko, on 04/14/2008, -11/+33Maybe I don't want a parent window? Maybe the whole MDI thing with a huge grey background window is just an ugly hack around Windows' useless window manager?
- estvir, on 04/14/2008, -3/+25A large number of people use it on Windows and even on OS X at least the multiple windows are manageable and the multiple entries in the bottom panel on Gnome is annoying.
- gerryk, on 04/14/2008, -8/+30Ya know... neither does Photoshop on OS X, so your point is?
- ptFoe, on 04/14/2008, -4/+23does this support CMYK
- mif86, on 04/14/2008, -7/+24Photoshop isn't ...free?
- grigio, on 04/14/2008, -3/+19there are still too many windows opened
- sloppychris, on 04/14/2008, -1/+17I can't figure out what's different about the text tool, and the release notes don't mention it.
- keyo, on 04/14/2008, -18/+33So still no parent window...
- theaceoffire, on 04/14/2008, -1/+15Not with your head shoved up it.
- ataylor32, on 04/14/2008, -1/+15Sweet! Dolby Digital
- inactive, on 04/14/2008, -5/+19Try GIMPShop.
http://www.gimpshop.com/ - vegardjo, on 04/14/2008, -0/+13Avant Window Navigator, or AWN for short: https://launchpad.net/awn
- neko, on 04/14/2008, -2/+15I bet you guys adore programs that include their own home-rolled auto-updater too, rather than relying on the package manager.
- inactive, on 04/14/2008, -7/+20Courtesy of Wikipedia:
"Color support
GIMP also has a palette with RGB, HSV, color wheel, CMYK, and mixing modes..." - mossblaser, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12GIMP > Potoshop Elements
Photoshop Elements is Picasa with a levels tool... - Yarnage, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12"Fake" support
- Yarnage, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12Actually, it "fakes" CMYK support. It internally converts all CMYK colors to RGB so it doesn't support it to the extent that Photoshop does.
- inactive, on 04/14/2008, -3/+15GIMP≠Photoshop
Also, Linux≠Windows≠MacOSX - Hangly, on 04/14/2008, -1/+13I like the Gimp, but the interface could still be better.
- Theli, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12I think I read somewhere that, in the future, GIMP will allow you to dock the toolbox to the document window. Not sure if it's still planned for 2.6, but I sure hope so.
- daftman, on 04/14/2008, -2/+14Default Install of Photoshop CS3 on Mac does not have a main window. There are menu bars, tools windows floating everywhere.
What does this mean? It means that your complain is a non-issue for professional designer. Only amateurs stop at the first sign of difference. - sydtsai, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12Finally, the Dual Menu Bar Mode is gone!
Now, if it can snap your tools to the sides of a single windows. - warchildbosnia, on 04/14/2008, -0/+12I love the Gimp. I can't wait to try the new one out!
- chanop, on 04/14/2008, -2/+13Those screenshots have totally been photoshopped , the shadows are way off
- billflu, on 04/14/2008, -1/+12"By public demand, a simple polygonal selection tool was added in this release."
Finally! - frsrblch, on 04/14/2008, -0/+11Very nice!
- MatB, on 04/14/2008, -0/+11Usability?
- thtroyer, on 04/14/2008, -5/+15I love the multiple window design -- that is, if I'm in an environment that has multiple desktop environments, one of which I can dedicate to GIMP.
If I was on Windows, the multiple window situation would be hell... (but then... the whole Windows experience, from my perspective, is... not fun.)
Fix for Windows users:
1) GIMPshop:http://www.gimpshop.com/
screenshot: http://koti.mbnet.fi/arado/Gimp/Gimpshop_12.jpg
2) Find a way to do multiple virtual desktops. IMHO, Windows is years behind Unix and Linux DE's and WM's in this respect.
PowerToys is the first thing that comes to mind, but I've never used it. Supposedly supports virtual desktops on XP: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/power ...
In either case, quit whining. - renegadeafk, on 04/14/2008, -0/+10Yeah I guess we shouldn't have tabbed browsers then...
- Anpheus, on 04/14/2008, -4/+14No, Adobe merely followed the OS paradigm. If GIMP wanted to do the same thing, they'd use a single main window on Windows, multiple windows on OSX and Linux.
Adobe, Mozilla, a lot of cross-platform software development companies know that when it comes to the user interface, you should always have it look natural compared to the rest of the OS. In OSX, that means using aqua controls, in Linux, that means maybe even coding an interface in GTK or QT, or at the very least, using widgets that are themed by GTK/QT. Windows has traditionally used one window per program, with toolbars incorporated within that window.
So, I see a problem with complaining about the Linux UI for being 'different,' it -should- be different. I don't see a problem with complaining about it being bad for a legitimate reason. I however, see no problem complaining about the GIMP UI in Windows being godawful. It IS godawful. It acts completely different from any other Windows editing program. THAT makes it godawful in Windows. - thtroyer, on 04/14/2008, -0/+10Yup. The full size version would be available on flickr if I had a pro account... oh well.
Because I don't have a pro account yet, I've uploaded it to ImageShack and link is in the description:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15357373@N03/20341581 ...
All I ask is that if you share the photo, link to the flickr page.
It's 2400x1804. Feel free to scale and crop as you see fit -- for personal use, of course. :) - volve, on 04/14/2008, -0/+10I would love to switch to GIMPShop, except it's still on 2.2 from May 2006 :( I've been following it since it came out, and it's only had very minor updates with basically nothing this year or last.
And jesus christ, holy ad overload on gimpshop.com :/ - Shadowgamers, on 04/14/2008, -0/+9It looks pretty okay compared to last versions.
- Planets, on 04/14/2008, -2/+11At least the interface is semi-logical now. Looks good. I may try this.
- betacmag4u, on 04/14/2008, -0/+9For me GIMP just does everything I need and it is free. I like PhotoShop but it is not free.
- gadgetuk, on 04/14/2008, -1/+10Umm... yes it does. The windows might float free on PS for OS X but there aren't a bunch of taskbar/dock icons clogging everything up.
- nailer, on 04/14/2008, -1/+10I don't know why you were moderated down, you're 100% correct- the window with the image is now the main window, and remains open at all times. The toolbox is now just the toolbox.
- PlancksCnst, on 04/14/2008, -0/+9That toolbar is getting really full, making it hard to find the tool your looking for. They need to use fly-outs. For example, have one generic selection button; when pressed, you get a fly-out menu with the types of selection you can do.
- xaogypsie, on 04/14/2008, -0/+9And 16bit images. That's critical for what I do.
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