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- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -8/+130I't's t'i'm'e's l'i'k'e t'h'i's I w'r'i't'e w'i't'h a'p'o's't'r'o'p'h'e's t'o b'e s'u'r'e I g'e't i't r'i'g'h't.
- majorrick, on 10/25/2008, -23/+108its, not it's.
- cheeseplease, on 10/25/2008, -3/+84This is great because blindly having to click Yes Yes I Agree Yes Yes Continue Finish makes linux users feel like they're using Windows.
- OpCzar, on 10/25/2008, -6/+85its
Its.
ITS!
I.T.S!!! - shark72, on 10/25/2008, -5/+61http://how-to-spell-its.com
- Harrison88, on 10/25/2008, -8/+57Old news.
- Andytom, on 10/25/2008, -10/+51A victory for whining bitches everywhere.
- ThsGuyRightHere, on 10/25/2008, -0/+30That's because digg is illiterate.
- Gusbob, on 10/25/2008, -8/+37Wait, what's wrong with a license agreement?
- kss42, on 10/25/2008, -0/+28This may be off topic, but "Yes Yes I Agree Yes Yes Continue Finish" is the best that's-what-she-said I have seen in a long time.
- mandel15, on 10/25/2008, -4/+30Seriously, does anyone ever read the EULAs.....
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -17/+41and this is great why?
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -1/+19Monty Python's Flying Circus
*cue music* - neko, on 10/25/2008, -3/+20Because it is not an agreement.
- jakereilly, on 10/25/2008, -2/+17I actually.... agree. It's one thing to support open source, but to bitch about firefoxs eula is really, really stupid.
And people wonder why linux is going nowhere. - donnie0darko0, on 10/25/2008, -0/+10If you want it to be possessive, it's just 'I-T-S.' But, if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's 'I-T-apostrophe-S,' ... scalawag.
- cplex, on 10/25/2008, -0/+10http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2764/itsitsqq0. ...
- Vich, on 10/25/2008, -7/+17Because people are lazy, and having one less thing to click during install is always worth it.
- cheeseplease, on 10/25/2008, -0/+9Linux Mint is Ubuntu + codecs and other non-free stuff, seems to be exactly what you want.
- wolferz, on 10/25/2008, -0/+9The open source community is HIGHLY political and the fact that they even care about such details indicates that they are part of a group of people that are willing to not only dump a product if that product doesn't do things the way they think it should but also go out of their way to openly slander it.
Mozilla made concessions because they are afraid of what the "open" source community will do if they don't. - mkjackson, on 10/25/2008, -2/+10(this is from a reply to a previous post but felt it deserved a place for others to see, I'm new to digg so maybe this was unnecessary, but please let me know. :-D)
Maybe I don't agree with some of the childishness that is involved in this scenario, but the significance is merely legal and since we live in a world that's broken down by bureaucratic red tape and frivolous lawsuits, things like this set a precedence as well as show solidarity with the GPL. Nothing to get too strung out about.
Some say this behavior is indicative of why Linux going "nowhere", but maybe they haven't really been around since the 90's when Linux was just a spark of possibilities that is now a warm (strong?) fire around which anyone with an idea can use their know-how to contribute to the community free of charge and/or repercussions. Granted, there's a LONG way to go, but realize that Linux's industry strength security model, desktops (KDE & Gnome to name a few) and the sandbox environment for open development are what are being emulated and/or outright copied by Apple's OS X which in turn is always being emulated in Microsoft's reinterpretations (which seem to fall short since the "glorious" XP IMHO).
Linux may still be a hobbyist's OS but its the greatest free OS out there (if not the only one worth mentioning) and its significance will only grow over time; not because it's the greatest but because even when not a single person is making a dime on it, people are working on it. You can't say that quite as much about the competition. - slythfox, on 10/25/2008, -1/+9Well, in court it technically is if someone were to break the Firefox license. But this is beside the point.
- chaoswings, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8Even if you did, would you understand what they wrote?
- staeiou, on 10/25/2008, -2/+10No, it is kind of hard. "Firefox" is trademarked and the logos are copyrighted by the Mozilla Foundation. You can fork the source, but if you don't agree to their terms, you can't call it "Firefox" and use the Firefox logo.
- somestranger26, on 10/25/2008, -0/+8Hey, why didn't you put apostrophes after the last letter in every word too? What if one of those was a plural possessive noun!?
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7"Mozilla gets paid everytime you type a google search in there"
If that's true, they should be glad I'm around. I use that search bar exclusively. I can't even remember the last time I typed "google.com" into the address bar. - 4321234, on 10/25/2008, -0/+7Mozilla License.
http://cache.valleywag.com/assets/resources/2008/0 ... - DBeta, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Actually, they leave the codecs and flash out because it's nearly impossible to leave them in and satisfy all the licenses and EULAs. It is really simple to installed them, however, far simpler than installing them on Windows. The people at Ubuntu have made it as simple as humanly possible to install all needed propriety software, to the point where many Linux users refuse to use it, because they feel it is bad for Open Source to support closed source software. I installed Ubuntu 8.10RC1 last night and it took less than 5 minutes after install to have every codec I would ever need, and flash installed and ready to work.
As for java, they could package it in if they wanted to, now that java is completely open sourced. They just haven't. Not like it's hard to install. - cheeseplease, on 10/25/2008, -3/+9Nothing's wrong with it, but people prefer not having one. It makes no sense to have one in free software, someone could just edit the agreement out and release it again.
- WarnerK, on 10/25/2008, -1/+7I guess I'm the only one who finds it extremely annoying to have people correct insignificant errors.
- nicko68, on 10/25/2008, -4/+10What a waste of time worrying about this kind of thing.
- m0laria, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Firefox makes money through various means, and the "Mozilla corporation" is split into several parts, some non-profit, some I don't know if they are profit or not. But the Firefox browser makes these Mozilla corporations money primarily through that little search bar up there on the top right corner. Mozilla gets paid everytime you type a google search in there. I believe on year they made 42 million dollars or so. So, Firefox having more users (Ubuntu users) does make Firefox money without "Ubuntu" paying Firefox directly.
It's the same reason Google does what China wants it too. More users = more money. - cheeseplease, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Wish I could digg you up thrice.
- nytejade, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6I had a professor who told me these types of license agreements would actually never hold up in court, and in fact didn't in some instances. They usually have to find other, more specific, ways to implicate you other than "You clicked yes on the agreement during installation."
I wish he had given me a reference point, because it was a very interesting topic.
YMMV - kazamx, on 10/25/2008, -0/+6Its also good to get people in the habbit of knowing when they are asked to agree to something or to confirm something its important. On windows your asked to confirm/agree so many times people become blind to it.
When a pop up comes up they just hit yes and move on with no idea what it was about. Clicking yes to a EULA isn't a big deal but when people are asked non stop for this sort of thing they don't notice when a really important warning comes up.
How many people end up with a virus on their computer because a pop up was just clicked to get rid of it. - 4321234, on 10/25/2008, -2/+7Iceweasle.
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+5au.youtube?
can't you remove the au.? it spoils my cookies whenever someone posts a country specific youtube URL, because youtube is dumb. - inactive, on 10/25/2008, -5/+10Do either Mozilla or Ubuntu get any money from this bundling arrangement?
The reason I ask is that companies like EA bite their thumbs at suggestions of policy change, even when the complaints come from paying customers... and these two open source projects come to a peaceful and sane agreement without much public outrage.
Neat-O. - MWeather, on 10/25/2008, -0/+5"No. Open source does not mean freedom. It means placing arbitrary restrictions on users and developers under the guise of enforcing freedom."
Name one restriction open source puts on users or developers. I only know of restrictions put on distributors. - sodade, on 10/25/2008, -0/+5Why don't they simply install ubuntu with a desktop icon that says: "click here to install a bunch of non-free stuff that will make your computer do what most people expect it to be able to do?"
- SirB, on 10/25/2008, -3/+7Another reason: maybe some people might actually read it now, it's a simple text which takes only 10 seconds to read. I have read it :)
- secrity, on 10/25/2008, -0/+4Mint Linux does that without having to push the button.
- kazamx, on 10/25/2008, -0/+4A big reason for Mozilla agreeing was the fact everything but their logo is open source. If Mozilla piss enough people off the Distros will just move to Ice Weasel .
ice weasel is the firefox code but with a different icon and name. All the code is the same and it runs all your extensions. The only differences are it doesn't have the Mozilla firefox trademarked name and logo and that Google doesn't pay per search.
From a users perspective its 100% the same experience. From Mozillas perspective its lost money. The linux community might be small but they do a ***** load of searches and have a massive % of the user base using Firefox.
It wouldn't hurt Linux at all to move to ice weasel, but it would hurt Mozilla
For more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_conflict_betwe ...
http://www.geticeweasel.org/ - kazamx, on 10/25/2008, -0/+4Yup.
It might only be one or two clicks, but thats 1 or 2 clicks for a hundred different things, dam clicks soon mount up. - getisboy, on 10/25/2008, -1/+5no, on digg its it's
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -2/+6I see what you did there. I see it, but I don't believe it.
- talkingwires, on 10/25/2008, -2/+6I can see that sarcasm is completely wasted on you.
Here, check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm - nytejade, on 10/25/2008, -1/+5It borders on idealism, but I'm glad some people still have the motivation to stand up against even the small things. It's worthwhile in the long run.
- noerrorsfound, on 10/25/2008, -0/+4You realize Windows doesn't even come with Java and lots of codecs (DivX and XviD for example), right?
- inactive, on 10/25/2008, -0/+4I was gonna say, I thought this already happened.
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