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- UnterDenLinden, on 10/30/2009, -8/+227Mozilla Chrome
- DaviDTC, on 10/31/2009, -0/+160"Firefox 4.0 is not due to be released for well over another yeah"
How long is a yeah? - tama00, on 10/31/2009, -0/+122roughly two to three yonks.
- lysander89, on 10/31/2009, -1/+96YYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
- h3110, on 10/31/2009, -2/+84Dugg for real mockup by company instead of the usual fake mockups with a headline that suggests it's real.
- htiawe, on 10/31/2009, -0/+67It's longer then oh yeah but a tad shorter then hell yeah.
- mRku, on 10/31/2009, -5/+61Tabs on top. From Chrome?
Come on. Download some old Opera versions and see for yourself. - matrixguy, on 10/31/2009, -0/+41Well, if it is a leap yeah ...
- Mejogid, on 10/31/2009, -4/+41After 3.0 & 3.5 came so close to a native look and feel it's depressing to see designers running off in the other direction. This sort of hybrid should be restricted to third party themes - by all means provide the mechanisms to make this possible, but the default appearance should be native. I'm sure the marketing/branding folks at Mozilla have a different view however...
- MazeBot, on 10/31/2009, -2/+36I change tabs more than I CLICK and TYPE web address. Anyone else like this?
so why put the tabs further away? - AaronCo, on 10/31/2009, -1/+25Top tabs, ugh. I have a gnome panel up there hiding, having to go up top means hitting the dang bar all the time. PITA.
I like my tabs below my address and toolbars. I've got a massive screen, let me use it.
But yeh, tabs on the side would be ok provided there was some kind of secondary inner scroll window. But all of this said, why not the best of all of these? A dockable tool bar? Seriously, why can't I just grab the tabs bar and drag that where-ever I want? If you want them up top, drag em to the top. If you want them below, drag em below. If you want them at the bottom like a task bar, then drag it to the bottom, left, right, you get the idea. - Chakat, on 10/31/2009, -1/+25It's already in the works:
http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2009/06/21/multi-pr ... - Lucid00, on 10/31/2009, -1/+22Trust me, most if not all browsers will take this design route in the future.
They're all going on the fact that the browsers that first took the design we're all familiar with only used those UI designs to make it easy for people who used office programs to be able to figure things out, but the designs weren't great for actual browsing.
I wish I could provide the Mozilla article I got this info from, it explained a lot more and a lot better than I could (it may not be apparent here but, these guys are geniuses when it comes to design). - 4DFX, on 10/31/2009, -16/+36To be honest, I don't like it. I don't like Chrome placing tabs in the titlebar, and I'm not going to like it here.
Also, why can't we have some cool transparency in Linux? Does it have to be butt-ugly just because it's Linux?
/rant - Culyt, on 10/31/2009, -2/+17Firstly Chrome is itself an Open Source project. This also isn't really a Linux specific even if the mockups where done in Linux that is just the preference of the developer, the Windows version will most likely look the same.
In addition to that copying is part of how things progress, you might as well claim cars where copying the horse and cart.
Sometimes there are natural progressions to technologies, there is only one way to make a wheel. There are plenty of ways to improve the basic wheel concept. Spokes, a tire (which can itself be improved with different types of threads and materials). If there is an improvement, then it should be applied to anywhere it makes sense too.
There might be alternatives to the wheel, but so far none of them have been any better, although more useful in some specific circumstances, just dragging something along, sled blades, a bunch of logs that are picked up and put in front and they are rolled over, hover crafts, tank treads (although they use wheels, or gears depending on your definition).
In this case they are copying the tabs being on top from Chrome. It's a natural progression to the tab technology, it makes more sense to have them up the top, it would be stupid for them to not adopt it. At the same time Mozilla are pushing plenty of new technologies of their own.
I have also been removing the menus like in the mockup for ages. Mostly on my eeepc with its limited screen space. There is no need to have them taking up a whole row all the time when they are so rarely used, combining them all and just reuqiring one extra click makes sense too.
My main problem with the new design is that there is a large border above the tabs that is unnecessary. - Lucid00, on 10/31/2009, -0/+14Ever use Chrome? (If you want to search, just type in the address bar)
- glockman69, on 10/31/2009, -3/+17In theory, but I have had Chrome lock up on me and I had to restart the whole browser again.
- Lucid00, on 10/31/2009, -0/+13Actually the original interface was a copy.
The Mozilla guys said that the new design fits the role of a "browser" more than the previous ones which were modeled after the popular office programs of the 90s. - schnikies79, on 10/31/2009, -2/+15Change for the sake of change is worthless. I don't see several of these changes as being better.
- geoken, on 10/31/2009, -1/+14In theory, and this works really well with Chrome, if the tabs are in the title bar then will be right along the top edge of the screen when the window is maximized. Giving them infinite hight makes them a lot easier to target.
- lifenstein, on 10/31/2009, -0/+12Doesn't matter if its innovation or copying, as long as it benefits those who use the browser. (And there shouldn't be copyright violations). Besides, copying is the greatest form of appreciation. Its like saying, keep leading, Opera! Go Opera Go! (Or Chrome/Chromium. Or IE, for that matter.)
- Thorlord, on 10/31/2009, -0/+12it looks like someone misstyped:
*puts on sunglasses*
"YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH" - MtheoryX, on 10/31/2009, -1/+13That's not what makes Chrome so good, although it is a nice feature.
- AaronCo, on 10/31/2009, -13/+23Noo, no, no. Uhm, no, please no.
Look, firefox, ya got a good thing going. Stop screwin around, k? Tabs on top? Seriously? "Uhm, what can we that's daring and bold? Oh I know, let's put tabs on top!" Look, dudes, everyone's used to them where they are. We like it that way, it provides a consistent interface across browsers... which makes life EASIER.
And hiding the menu bar? Really? Seriously? "Hey, lets make these controls, but let's make them INVISIBLE!" yeh, good idea chucko. Last time I played "hiding the menu bar" my gf got upset.
I know this is all just a mockup and it'll prolly be entirely different. That's good. I just really hope to ward away such evil with a few mundane digg comments, that's all. - mKdiR, on 10/31/2009, -1/+11Since using Chrome if I switch browsers for any reason I constantly miss the tabs when I try to click them. Having them on top is awesome, maybe they will include an option for those who don't like it though.
- palehorse864, on 10/31/2009, -0/+9I'm pleased with the space saving tabs. I definitely want a bit more stability as well. I've had some bad luck with 3.5, both fresh and with plugins on both XP and Windows 7. WIndows 7 improved the stability somewhat, but it still crashes.
The firefox guys implemented very good crash recovery at just the right time though. The crash is a minor annoyance and it starts back up. - medg85, on 10/31/2009, -0/+9Sorry I should have made that comment a little clearer. I know you can search in Chrome from the address bar, but is it possible to change the search engine quickly? In firefox I can go CTRL+K to get to the Search box and then CTRL+UP/DOWN to change between Google and WIkipedia, as well as Leo translator for German and one for the University library for example.
- Johnglave, on 10/31/2009, -1/+10It doesn't use 10x more than Chrome. I'll cite my comment to! http://lifehacker.com/5352195/browser-speed-tests- ... it actually uses less memory than Chrome.
- Keithamus, on 10/31/2009, -0/+8When a search engine is saved in chrome, it is accessible by typing the first few letters of the website, followed by tab; e.g.:
Images.Google.com would be imag[TAB]. Wikipedia would be wiki[TAB], google would be Goog[TAB]
At this point any text you type in the url bar will be used as the search string for that particular site. Its quite nice, similar to Firefox's bookmark keyword shortcuts. And this way you're not pressing ctrl+up/down forever, and you dont have to remember the order of your search engines.
Here is the only video I could find of it, but the guy totally fumbles it, it really is much faster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EAxnFVSH68 - Hiwnes, on 10/31/2009, -1/+9Whatever the design ends up being, anything that gives me more vertical space is welcome. With all these 16:9 monitors coming out it's even more critical than before.
- disappointed, on 10/31/2009, -2/+10Opera may have been there first but Mozilla are copying Chrome.
- Mejogid, on 10/31/2009, -1/+9The problem with GTK+/QT (the basic toolkits which draw buttons etc on the display) is that they're inherently themeable - not just the colour but the shape, animation and texture are all at the control of the theme the user chooses. Consequently it's a prohibitive amount of effort to accurately emulate a theme, even more so if you wish to include variations on typical UI features. The correct way for Mozilla to do this would be to implement the widgets they want in GTK+ or an external library and then emulate those widgets in XUL, so that the theme engine can control them. However, aspects such as the buttons in toolbars are fundamentally incompatible with the GNOME HIG,and i suspect KDE's interface guideline too.
- AaronCo, on 10/31/2009, -5/+13Some change is good. Useless change that just creates work is not.
- twiztidsinz, on 10/31/2009, -0/+7They have addon's that do that.
- glockman69, on 10/31/2009, -6/+13If I want my Firefox to look like Chrome I'll just download the theme. They should develop there own cool look not copy it.
- PhillAholic, on 10/31/2009, -2/+9I keep hearing how wonderful that feature is in Chrome, but how many times does that honestly happen to anyone? I think that happens at most once or twice a month for me in Firefox and my tabs come right back without problems after I restart it. I have yet to see it as a must have feature.
- sageerrant, on 10/31/2009, -1/+7Plus, it makes more sense to have an address bar inside the tab, with that tab's address visible, than to have one perched on top, switching as you change tabs.
It's not like anyone is confused as it stands now, but it makes more sense and allows for some additional tab management options. - cjflashman, on 10/31/2009, -0/+6@PhillAholic
It happened to me literally 7 minutes ago,
but alas, a restart and all was good.
Before that, the last time it did it, I'd say roughly two or so weeks ago, yeah.
But something is up with the flashplayer.
It tends to get jerky every now and then, even when it's not having those weird memory leaks that skyrocket it's ram use to 1.5 GBs or so. (Though this isn't FFs fault. Does this in all browsers. On 3.2 GHz, it shouldn't.)
Chrome, however. I need my addons. Need.
:( - JeSTeRSeVeN, on 10/31/2009, -5/+11I know what you mean, man. I fear change too.
- piieerrrree, on 10/31/2009, -1/+7The tabs on top made me throw up a little in my mouth.
- Chakat, on 10/31/2009, -0/+6Weave's been an add-on for a few years now. They're just moving it into the base build. Weave is just a re-implementation of the roaming profiles that Mozilla/Netscape has had for many, many, many years.
- dpknc84, on 10/31/2009, -2/+8control + tab, cycles tab focus in firefox. Shortcuts ftw.
- craftyguy, on 10/31/2009, -2/+7Mozilla Opera
- JQP123, on 10/31/2009, -1/+5"I'm pleased with the space saving tabs."
Space saving or space consuming?
With a wide screen monitor, there is often lots of unused space at the sides, not so much top and bottom. So why not put some of that extra horizontal space to good use and put tabs at the side?
Just because Chrome did it this way doesn't mean it is the best approach. - DreadKnight, on 10/31/2009, -0/+4@zer0mass *right* that's why kde brainstorming forums are filled with Win7 images as reference. Name some. The task bar from Win7 is brilliant. I'm not a windows fanatic, but Linux lover. Anyway, having Ubuntu/Kubuntu Karmic on a machine and Win7 on another one, which is stable, damn fast, not much to fiddle with and having lots of apps.
- ileftfark, on 10/31/2009, -0/+4I know this is not a popular idea, but I really wish Nokia and Mozilla would work harder on the qt version. Using gtk+ and Glade for callbacks brings in unneeded dependencies and a slightly more convoluted API system. And since there has been work done on this (up until 3.0, afaik), it wouldn't have to be a ground-up endeavor. There could be cleaner code and a Firefox that looks modern on Linux. It worked well for VLC, imho.
- mentat0, on 10/31/2009, -0/+4I would settle for a native Qt based verison.
- bringitontimx, on 11/01/2009, -0/+4Everything is a ripoff of everything to an extent.
If you wanna talk blatant copying, talk about the Meizu M8. - 007brendan, on 10/31/2009, -1/+5I definitely prefer the Chrome-style layout of the tabs. It's too bad that firefox is still slow as balls on linux.
- Nanobe, on 10/31/2009, -0/+4I'm curious how the developers think they can achieve that "keyhole" back/forward button design while still maintaining the native GTK theme's button appearance. Based on what little I know about GTK widget themes, it seems to me that the only way Mozilla can pull off the effect is by using custom PNG images for the button shapes, which obviously won't be able to adapt to the native theme.
The Firefox 4.0 "tabs on top" mockup probably won't be possible unless they decide to make a custom title bar like Google Chrome does on Linux, and then it will look even more out-of-place.
I don't think Mozilla will be able to achieve their goals without making some major contributions to the underlying theming systems, and I doubt these changes can realistically be done in the timeframe they're talking about. -
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