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- sk11, on 06/13/2008, -0/+262"I think people don't realize just how very hard Wine is. We're completely recreating Windows from the ground up. Microsoft, with their tens of thousands of employees, has a hard time shipping a new release of Windows that is backwards compatible *cough* Vista *cough*. So imagine then, instead, a scrappy band of volunteers replicating that work with a fraction of the people."
Sums up the astonishing work the wine team have done. - inactive, on 06/13/2008, -7/+123...and cheese!
Party time - Scaryclouds, on 06/13/2008, -1/+103I hope all the best towards the Wine community. As they keep adding more and more apps they will make Linux a more viable platform for business. Hopefully it won't be long before they reach that "critical mass" point that allows for real mainstream acceptance of Linux.
- fLUx1337, on 06/13/2008, -3/+60I love and use Wine as much as the next guy, but I don't think people should rely on Wine to make Linux a suitable Windows replacement, if you want that, you should simply help make the Linux alternatives to windows applications better.
- Chairboy, on 06/13/2008, -1/+52Instead of 'scrappy band', I think the accepted phrase is a 'ragtag fleet' of volunteer developers.
- binaryloop, on 06/13/2008, -0/+37Just in time to play Duke Nukem Forever!
- clith, on 06/13/2008, -3/+39The TransGaming-vs-Wine story is an excellent example of why Free Software licenses like the GPL are better than BSD/MIT-style open source licenses. From the article:
"The proprietary company Transgaming took Wine's DirectX code and transformed it, via the WineX open source project, into the proprietary DirectX software Cedega. At the time, this was possible because Wine was under the X11 or MIT open source license. Wine is now under the Lesser GPL, which makes it impossible for Wine to be forked into a proprietary program. [...] When Transgaming started in 2001, they promised that they would release their DirectX improvements back to Wine. That cast a chill over games in Wine -- why work on DirectX if all these improvements would 'soon' be coming back? Of course, no meaningful improvements have ever come back, which had the effect of creating a huge hole in what had been Wine's very best facility." By 2007, White says, "The Wine community had recovered from the hole created by Transgaming." - dafragsta, on 06/13/2008, -2/+38Taking the wine analogy pretty far with the 15 year aging thing. *****. They should just call it scotch. ;)
- svensksvamp, on 06/13/2008, -4/+30Linux is free. Windows is not.
Linux is virus-free. Windows is not. - BobMysterioso, on 06/13/2008, -0/+24thats because at a .34 it likely will just fall apart. Thats not a bad thing, it isn't at version 1 yet, its at .34 - take your risks, ymmv, and so on. You're right to be wary of ver .34 (of anything) but foolish to believe anything labelled ver 1 is golden.
- ISIfunded911, on 06/13/2008, -0/+23Tell us about DirectX9 performance in VMWare!
- teaguecl, on 06/13/2008, -1/+23You don't understand the point of wine, do you? If you are an "ends justify the means" kind of person, then installing Windows is fine. If you value Freedom, then you spend 15 years working to make the world better.
I love the fact that I can run win32 API software on a Free operating system legally - without paying a license to Microsoft for the privilege. You cannot do that by installing Windows, even in a VM.
The fact that many people get Windows for free (as in beer) by pirating it makes them think "I payed just as much as the Linux guys - but I got something better because it costs money". This is flawed thinking. Plus, I am not a software pirate and I don't want to be one. When I used windows I was nearly forced to pirate software all the time. As a Linux user all the apps I need are open source, and that makes me feel good. - boobsbr, on 06/13/2008, -0/+20those bastards!
- JVENEGAS, on 06/13/2008, -6/+24wine not only tastes delicious, but now runs my most locked up, problematic, confusing, install hindered programs on linux...a cleaner world.
- MemoryDump, on 06/13/2008, -2/+20just imagine where they'll be 15years from now when version 2.0 is released!!
- theotheragentm, on 06/13/2008, -7/+24Does anyone else think using a software numbering system that starts at less than 1 turns off a lot of potential users of a piece of software? I've leaned to just jump into it, but I recall weighing my concerns with a software that was version .34 versus something like Windows 2000. The .34 just sounds incomplete, like it might fall apart.
- Reziarfg, on 06/13/2008, -1/+17Wine Is Not an Emulator
- inactive, on 06/13/2008, -1/+17No *****!!?
/sarcasm
I don't know you but for me the whole point of installing a windows application through wine is try to avoid using an OS on a virtual environment, they're a resources hog... - mCanada, on 06/13/2008, -1/+17Question: How well does it run the newer versions of ms-office? (I've never tried)? I'm plotting a full switch over of my XP system soon. ty! I do like OO but it would be good to know there's the option.
- colincornaby, on 06/13/2008, -1/+16Because with WINE you don't need to own Windows.
- NihilFist, on 06/13/2008, -1/+16You cand run MS Office 2007 with Wine. Google for "office 2007 wine" and hit the first link.
- hobo343, on 06/13/2008, -1/+14most amazing -- keeping the install package to under 50MB. it's magical
- BadAsh71, on 06/13/2008, -0/+13Have you ever really used Wine? I have used Office 2003 through Wine and it works fine.
CrossOver Office allows point and click installation of Office 2003 on Linux using WIne or if you feel like getting your hands dirty their are tons of step by step install instructions out there to help you do it yourself.
Here is one:
http://wine-review.blogspot.com/2008/01/running-ms ...
And if you don't feel like dropping to the command line but still don't want to pay for CrossOver Office, you can always use the FREE Wine GUI "Wine-Doors".
http://www.wine-doors.org/wordpress/?p=40
Have Fun :-) - Stavrosian, on 06/13/2008, -2/+15For the love of God, why would you be running IE?
- Hydroxyl, on 06/13/2008, -1/+13LAME ain't an MP3 encoder.
- inactive, on 06/13/2008, -0/+12Indeed. Look back at OS/2. It ran windows applications. Thus, most developers didn't bother writing OS/2 native applications, and the platform died. I don't think Linux will go out as easily, or at all, but being able to run windows code is not really a good thing. The real way to win is to have developers develop for your platform.
- chemokid, on 06/13/2008, -1/+13Hopefully by then we won't need Wine because we would all have moved away from Windows. I'm a dreamer.
- insanebrain, on 06/13/2008, -3/+15You can always run XP in Virtualbox
- boobsbr, on 06/13/2008, -2/+14rootkits are not viruses. if a malicious app were to try to install a rootkit under linux it would be stopped in it's tracks because it does not have permission to run. under windows it most likely won't be stopped because the default xp user is root.
- Xplodzion, on 06/13/2008, -0/+11Yes, but it's buggy and very slow.
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=a ...
Needs more bloom. http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=14834 - gaminggeek, on 06/13/2008, -6/+17you relies how complex it is to do wine and the fact that windows is a moving target adds to the difficulty
- qwuinc, on 06/13/2008, -1/+12The version numbering in UNIX/Linux world is a bit different than from Windows. In the Linux world, first public often release can often be 0.0.1 or 0.1. On the other hand, first public release in Windows is usually 1.0. In comparison, Windows' 1.0 version is probably a lot worse than Linux world 0.1...
- tekkitan, on 06/13/2008, -3/+14You're a hard person to impress. I think playing games designed for Windows such as World of Warcraft, Half Life 2, and a lot more in Linux is pretty darn impressive...
- tekkitan, on 06/13/2008, -6/+16You really under estimate the work that is needed and that was put into emulating Windows programs in Linux. Go play with your silly Vista machine.
- greeniemeani, on 06/13/2008, -0/+10But can it run Crysis?
- matriculated, on 06/13/2008, -0/+10Thank to all the coders and volunteers, Corel, Linspire, Codeweavers, Google and any other sponsors for making this possible. This is an amazing software engineering achievement!
- qwuinc, on 06/13/2008, -0/+9Not developed from spec? What spec? I thought you have hard time getting any from Microsoft, even with lawsuits.
- inactive, on 08/26/2008, -3/+12Don't bury him! He's right! Dell, HP, Asus, Acer, Everex, Google, HTC, Intel, Motorola, Qualcomm, Samsung, LG, T-Mobile, Nvidia, Wind River Systems, Novell, Red Hat, Canonical, NEC, NTT DoCoMo, Panasonic Mobile Communications, Samsung Electronics, Vodafone, Nokia, Openmoko, Access Co., Trolltech, Linspire, CodeWeavers, Sun Microsystems, Xandros, Progeny, TransGaming, LPI, etc. only spend thousands of dollars promoting Linux, not millions!
- mrloco, on 06/13/2008, -1/+10Because Windows is the antiGNU
- AnarkeIncarnate, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8You also should note that it does not emulate. It works to allow the windows API calls to be made using windows compatible libraries.
- aidwiz, on 06/13/2008, -2/+10at last. i hope it will be really stable to run the most frequently windows apps.
- Pooley, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8It wouldn't make your gag any funnier, but at least saying 'brandy' might make it more accurate
- srg13, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8"On a serious note, why not just dual boot?"
Because a usable Windows partition is over 20GB? Or the fact that with Wine both native and Linux apps can be used at the same time, and integrate somewhat into the desktop? - Technohamster, on 06/13/2008, -1/+9Yeah, but now, vanilla wine will run games better than Cedega.
- RonnieW, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8yeah because a VM doesn't take a considerably larger amount of system resources.
- Kingoftherings, on 06/13/2008, -0/+8Linus Torvalds has said, there may never been a kernel 2.8 or a kernel 3.0, because they don't have a marketing team, and they don't need to say "Hey! Try the new and improved Linux 3.0!"
And they like where kernel 2.6 is at, so version numbering in the Linux world isn't all that important. - Sashwan, on 06/13/2008, -2/+9Wow it took 15 years for version 1 to be released?
Well at least it still beat DNF. :) - ObeseSnake, on 06/13/2008, -9/+16Wine is not an emulator.
- dualscreenman, on 06/13/2008, -0/+7Wine runs the TI-82/3 emulators I need for my precalc course flawlessly.
It also runs IE6 with some tweaks (ies4linux, very easy), so I can use the 8 year old only-works-in-ie-javascript-monstrosity of a textbook that the course uses. Wine is indispensable. - zwaldowski, on 06/13/2008, -2/+9When Wine started development, its goal was to perfectly run Windows 3.1 apps. Hmm...
BTW, if you think Linux is not for "real" work, have you used a Motorola phone in the past two years? -
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