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- motionblur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's this Linux you all speak of?
;-) - streetblader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1yeah i'm on fc4 and setting up wireless was a bitch
- Jammerdelray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What do you guys think is the best version of linux out there? Lindows?
- linuxbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm a Fedora defector and the real problem I had was the lack of hard to find packages. Arch is completly different you can find 99% of the hard to find programs. It does lack some major programs but those can be easily built from source. However, it is quite new.
- ForumTroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Fedora Core 4 is, eh... they changed a bunch of stuff, and not necesarily for the better. One thing I didn't like was switching the system's default color scheme to Ubuntu-ish beige and the default look to a modified Clearlooks."
Real valid complaint here.... If you're going to say you dislike something at least try to give some reasonable explanation as to why. The new clear looks theme has been extremely well received and as with any theme some people are going to want to modify it. Modifying the theme in Fedora Core is also incredibly easy and can be done through the menu. So what was the problem you had?
"Fedora Core 4 a bitch regarding multimedia support, I say get Debian or Ubuntu instead."
Please explain. Mplayer and Xine are extremely easy to install and can be installed with yum. Mp3 support is also extremely easy to install and the reasons for not including mp3 support by default have been discussed many times before and are widely known. I can't think of a codec I can't play with one of the multimedia players that are easily accessible, even WMV is easily installable. What multimedia exactly are you having difficulty with? - Smiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not sure why I'm bothering ... I've "most likely" been hacking kernels since you were still in diapers. (You can read my public code in 4.4 BSD, for example.) I've got more important things to do than spending an extended amount of time figuring out why e2fsck is buggy in a final release of Fedora.
Regardless of what you'd like to think, Fedora shouldn't ship with anything resembling known bugs in its core system software or utilities. Worse, this bug appears to have been known before FC4 shipped. It doesn't matter if it affects 0.01% of the population or 100%.
Most everyone I know has moved away from Fedora - I held on - but now I'll join them. Fedora's ever-shrinking user base will make it that much harder to find bugs, which is probably why this one slipped through in the first place.
But don't fret. There is an upside: You should get plenty of practice in the art of making excuses! - Tsuroerusu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fedora Core 4 a bitch regarding multimedia support, I say get Debian or Ubuntu instead.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FC4 has X display glitches and artifacts. Not all of those lovely 3rd-party repositories such as Dag or FreshRPMs are ready for FC4 yet (those two might be no,w not sure, but they weren't before and others are still not ready either). Mixing FC3 and FC4 packages to make up for those 3rd-party repositories not being ready yet is a bad idea and just further messes up things. Remember these "Fedora Core" releases are really betas for Redhat Enterprise. Rather than putting back on Fedora Core 3, I went to RHEL4 (CentOS 4) which is the mature version of FC3.
I would go Debian/Ubuntu but I have hardware issues that never, ever, ever, ever get resolved in Debian, which includes my soundcard just never working . Before someone says I just need to look it up better or so, I'll repeast... it just doesn't work in Debian. Debian is great on many levels but its hardware recognition/support is flawed compared to RPM-based distros. Plus I don't like to be kept either in Yesterday Land with Sarge or Too-Unstable-Even-for-Linux mode with Sid. - ForumTroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jargon if you're looking for a solid release you shouldn't be using FC4 in the first place! It's a testing bed for RHEL and it‘s bleeding edge in terms of Linux software. It has the newest versions of almost everything and some problems should be expected before using it. You need to remember, that it’s a testing bed for RHEL. If you don't know how to compile some programs from source and can't handle a few minor problems and bug reports you shouldn’t be using it.
The real problem here is that we have a large number of people that don’t know how to solve problems in Linux that are all migrating to Fedora Core because it’s associated with Redhat. They don’t seem to be able to comprehend that it’s a testing bed for RHEL and that if you want something up right away and highly stable than this distro is not for you. Does this deserve to be called lame because some user has some small problem? Damn man you use Ubuntu for christ sakes. - Smiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"First of all, the vast majority of people didn't have any problem with a buggy file system and you upgraded from FC3 most likely through yum or apt which is not the recommended way to install it.
You're clearly not the type of user that Fedora was meant for. A test bed Linux distribution is going to have issues in both user applications and system applications, get used to it or don't use it. It's as simple as that. If you want a solid stable distribution right out of the box a test bed OS is not for you and you shouldn’t be using Fedora....."
First, I used the installer to upgrade. That's what it's there for - it's the supported path. Even followed the instructions on the site to make sure I didn't overlook anything. Nice way to make assumptions, though.
Second, I'm not the type of user Fedora was meant for? You mean, one that expects a final release of a system to keep their data undamaged? They must be targeting a very, very small subset of users.
When Fedora says it's a 'test bed' for RHEL, they don't mean 'so unreliable it might hose your mainstream Linux filesystem'. It just happened to work out that way for some of us. Had I been trying -test releases, then yes, I would expect potentially serious instability. - ForumTroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"First, I used the installer to upgrade. That's what it's there for - it's the supported path. Even followed the instructions on the site to make sure I didn't overlook anything. Nice way to make assumptions, though."
If you didn't notice I clearly said "most likely used yum or apt" because most file system problems happen due to people doing this and attempting to switch the file system type.
"Second, I'm not the type of user Fedora was meant for? You mean, one that expects a final release of a system to keep their data undamaged? They must be targeting a very, very small subset of users."
You can't generalize about an OS simply because you couldn't figure out the solution to a problem that barely anyone else has had. Did you file a bug report or search for a solution at FedoraForums or anywhere for that matter? By looking at Bugzilla and FedoraForums not too many people have had this problem.
"When Fedora says it's a 'test bed' for RHEL, they don't mean 'so unreliable it might hose your mainstream Linux file system'. It just happened to work out that way for some of us. Had I been trying -test releases, then yes, I would expect potentially serious instability."
If you are incapable of fixing your file system you shouldn't be using Fedora Core. The vast majority of people have had no problems like this and in the end, once again, Fedora isn't meant for giving you stable distributions. It's meant for being a test bed for RHEL and users are expected to be prepared to run into problems and file bug reports. If you’re not willing to work out a few problems don’t install it. Even in the final release bugs are expected in key parts of the operating system it’s just that package versions and development on core parts are frozen other then key bug fixes. - cool4u2view, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I really don't understand why people trust the numbers on distrowatch.com
Let's see I wonder how many linux n00bs chose ubuntu over mandriva according to distrowatch whoopididoo.
Ubuntu and Kubuntu's sudo nature is downright dangerous. Using ubuntu is as dumb as logging is as root all the time. Please ubuntu fans just use debian if you know what's good for you. - ForumTroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I upgraded from FC3 to FC4 and my ext3 file system started bugging out. There's some kind of bug in e2fsck, it appears. Who ships an operating system with a buggy file system anymore?(Even if it's a test bed, I expect user applications to have issues, not system apps.) Bye bye, Fedora."
First of all, the vast majority of people didn't have any problem with a buggy file system and you upgraded from FC3 most likely through yum or apt which is not the recommended way to install it.
You're clearly not the type of user that Fedora was meant for. A test bed Linux distribution is going to have issues in both user applications and system applications, get used to it or don't use it. It's as simple as that. If you want a solid stable distribution right out of the box a test bed OS is not for you and you shouldn’t be using Fedora.....
And Captainnico, I am a Debian fan; however arguing for something’s quality by using popularity is just stupid. Microsoft Windows is the most popular operating system by an extremely wide margin; does that mean it is of the highest quality? Of course not. - Smiles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I upgraded from FC3 to FC4 and my ext3 filesystem started bugging out. There's some kind of bug in e2fsck, it appears. Who ships an operating system with a buggy filesystem anymore? (Even if it's a testbed, I expect user applications to have issues, not system apps.) Bye bye, Fedora.
- captainnico, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Debian is taking over, just look at www.distrowatch.com, and check out how many of those distros are debian based. The votes have been cast, people. And if you want to install something with as much hardware support and easy setup as ubuntu, but want to go all debian, and not use the ubuntu packages, try mepis, it's great, and it's what slashdot runs off of. It even has ipod support on a fresh install. Any linux distro's hardware recognition all depends on what modules you load into the kernel at install time, all these distros that are livecds already have a great number of modules loaded, and this is why they have better hardware support than installing from scratch/official install disks. If you do install using their installation disks, you need to know alot about your hardware and which modules to load. Remember the great thing about linux is having so many distros to choose from.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Fedora Core 4 is, eh... they changed a bunch of stuff, and not necesarily for the better. One thing I didn't like was switching the system's default color scheme to Ubuntu-ish beige and the default look to a modified Clearlooks. I use to use Fedora Core 3 as my main OS, then this came along. I switched over to CentOS 4 (Redhat Enterprise rebuild) after trying out FC4.
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