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- DefaultGen, on 05/14/2008, -1/+59Doesn't every OS tout itself as the ultra versatile yet easy to use solution for all your needs?
- ja1217, on 05/14/2008, -0/+40Just as a quick warning, Fedora 9 uses a pre-release of the next Xorg server. This means that there won't be any binary drivers from nVidia (and I think ATI as well) outside of beta's until the next stable Xorg server is released.
- 22magnum, on 05/14/2008, -1/+30Easier than Ubuntu? That would be sweet.
- Zodiachus, on 05/14/2008, -2/+22Technically, what you don't seem to like about Fedora 9 is essentially KDE 4. Therefore it would be more accurate of you to state that "KDE 4 sucks absolute balls", rather than Fedora.
- CoolGoose, on 05/14/2008, -1/+15Yea Linux doesn't have Flash installed by default like Windows. Oh.. wait..
- DteK, on 05/14/2008, -0/+11I have been using this OS since it was RedHat 7.2 and have dabbled in Ubuntu just to see what the hype was all about.
I run slack on my servers so I had no issues getting around and seeing how things work, but I just did not like it. Fedora and Slack give you more freedom right out of the box. Freedom is good when you know what your doing. For me it seems Ubuntu is better suited for those how dont want to be under the hood so much. - FakeLoki, on 05/14/2008, -3/+17W00t! I upgraded my pc today and Fedora 8 wont boot so I'm just going to wait for Fedora 9, download it and use it to update and hopefully fix the issue. The bootable cd works so this should sort it out. I was considering looking into Ubuntu but I've been with Fedora since Fedora Core 4 and I saw the new one coming out today so I figured I'd stay true. Something about Ubuntu doesn't seem to rub me the right way.
- fani, on 05/14/2008, -2/+13I just tried a bunch of new distros - Fedora Core 9, openSuse 11.0 Beta 2, Kubuntu ( Ubuntu/KDE4 ), Knoppix.
My favorite thus far is openSuse ( looks very nice/professional and is very stable for a beta ). I'll continue to keep evaluating them but so far I'm very happy with openSuse. - etx313, on 05/14/2008, -1/+10No. Don't forget about Gentoo. :)
- paulsmith288, on 05/14/2008, -1/+11on the otherside , I am sure a total computer newbie would stuggle to fix their windows if their sound didn't work after an upgrade.
It is easier / more difficult in linux depending which viewpoint you look at.
Changing a text file seems easier to me than editing the registry for example. - bigsteve, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8Gentoo can be anything you wish to make it, so long as you don't have anything else planned that week.
/stage1 installs were fun
//google LFS, makes gentoo look like ubuntu
///slashies - WayOfTheIronPaw, on 05/14/2008, -0/+8Thanks for the warning. I was going to install F9 after a backup, but it looks like I'll be holding off for a while, since I have an NVidia card.
This guy: http://nareshv.blogspot.com/2008/04/fedora-9-rawhi ... has an install procedure for the 173.08 NVidia driver (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_17 ... but 3-D is broken, so no Compiz.
This discussion in FedoraForum http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/printthread.php?t ... seems applicable. This also seems relevant: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Xorg/3rdPartyVideoDr ... - CoolGoose, on 05/14/2008, -0/+7I know that i'm going to be dugged down but let's be serious. If your sound driver doesn't work on Windows you can't do much except trying to find the right drivers.
- mvent2, on 05/14/2008, -2/+10Give Gnome a go? All the problems you seem to be having aren't typically there in Gnome.
- WayOfTheIronPaw, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6Troll, Begone!!! Oh, and stop posting that political link in every comment you make. http://digg.com/users/momsshizzle/history
- bigsteve, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6The resolution problem, which appears to be at the heart of every problem he has, is probably due to the fact that the new Xorg isn't supporting his gfx card... so technically Gnome would have the same problems. At this point in time, he'd probably have a better go with Ubuntu if he wants it working "out of the box."
Though he's being a total d-bag about it, I agree that some of the new KDE features feel a bit re-hashed Vista-esque. Really didn't care for my first impression, though that's just my opinion and it might change if I gave it more of a chance. - mikelanghorst, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6umm, it's a joke....
He's joking about charging $99.95 for your installation services. - bigsteve, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7Well, RPMs, debs, really six in one hand and half dozen in the other. Their respective package managing distribution methods (yum, apt) have effectively mitigated "dependency hell" (explained below) so at that point it really just becomes a matter of opinion. I was raised on Debian so I fell pretty naturally into Ubuntu, and I still think that for Linux newcomers, Ubuntu's native hardware detection schema is superior, IMO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_hell - mem2, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6Its because he has upgrade the hardware and failed to reinstall or attempt to repair the OS. windows will suffer the exact same issues given sufficient hardware changes.
Get A Clue. - nickert0n, on 05/14/2008, -0/+6digjam - I would rather deal with issues and be free, then have an automated tell you what to do factory for an operating system that works exactly the way the company producing it tells you it must.
Id rather use an operating system in which my data is secure becuase if theres a hole I dont have to wait 1/2 a year for some employees and Microsoft to get motivated enough to finish compling thier code, instead I have people in thier basement that code better because they do it out of passion not financial obligation. I can have a fix next to immediatley on security issues in linux.
So it all depends exactly on what you value:
Freedom, Security, Privacy, Customization, Community, Support(Ubuntu IMO) = Linux
Automization, Popularity, Guidance, Gaming, Developing for $$$ = Windows
Total Control over your capability of user expiernce however everything works well = Mac
It just comes down to personal prefence like choclate or vanilla, straight or gay and so forth.
I prefer a blonde with double D's and a nice mackable ass thats why I use Ubuntu Hardy Heron ;-) - neko, on 05/14/2008, -1/+8PackageKit being able to use APT as a backend is interesting. Really, RPM and YUM were the only things deterring me from trying out Fedora - I just can't go back now that I've experienced the joy of APT.
A persistent Live USB environment is also very cool too.
But the most appealing feature for me has got to be spelling "Sulphur" properly =D - nickert0n, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5Linux is not an operating system in itself, although this is up for debate and even I myself have used it in that context, its technically the kernel, the operating system expierence my differ upon distribution, vendor, and version.
- smellydog, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4relax - they mean that you can charge your friend $ for your installation services
- talonstriker, on 05/14/2008, -1/+5I don't know about the easier to use part, but it is easier to install. Just the other day, I installed Kubuntu without any experience in installing OSes. There's nothing technical in it. The hardest part was picking a name for my computer....
- Ademan, on 05/14/2008, -0/+5No, the last thing we need here is a holy war.
- eanbowman, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4If you're ever stuck with a super-low resolution in an Xorg using OS, simply hold Alt and drag the window around to see hidden parts.
You're welcome ;D - nickj6282, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Ahh, I'm thick I guess.
- cplusplus, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Fedora 9 now uses Ubuntu's Upstart service runner so that's a tie.
They both use X.org's X Windows, Gnome, KDE, etc.
The installers are different but they ask basically the same questions are both about the same and you only see it once. - priegog, on 05/14/2008, -1/+7Hey hey hey... They both use gnome after all... To be honest I haven't tried fedora, but I have other distros and I would say I know my way around linux. What is exactly about ubuntu that doesn't give you "freedom"? Aside from the debian/redhat differences they're all pretty much the same, and for an advanced user it shouldn't be a problem at all. And you just gotta love the ubuntu community.
/Ubuntu butthurt - digjam, on 05/14/2008, -2/+9I hope this atleast turns out to be dumbed down for users who are linux challenged. I have been a windows user for almost 10 years now and was really interested in trying out linux so tried Ubuntu and I found it very challenging to make things work. Dont get me wrong, it works fine as long as there are no issues, but like last week when I upgraded to 8.04 the sound card stopped working and I fiddled around looking through documentations and forums to make it work, but in vain. If a guy like me in technology can't make it work without going through so many hassles, I am sure any newbie to computers altogether will find it very difficult to get used to Linux. I am not a Windows supporter neither I am a Linux hater, I just love to try out all new technologies out there, but in my opinion,I think Linux has a long way to go in usability. No wonder Windows has gained such a big chunk of market.
PS: after trying world of things to make sound card work, now Ubuntu wont load at all, I will have to reload the entire OS again! - QueensGangsta, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Dot dot dot.
- hasslinthehoff, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Until I can boot up Fedora or Ubuntu and install any driver for a wireless card without having to open the terminal, I'm reluctantly sticking with Windows. It pains me, but I just want to surf the damn web...
- bigsteve, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3And if Windows does remain stable after a major hardware upgrade, it'll lock you out and accuse you of theft until you prove you own a license :)
- bigsteve, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4I think for now you're better off going with Ubuntu even if only for the user community. Google "ubuntu" + damn near any task you'd want to know how to do in Linux as a desktop or server, and you'll get a few pages of good results. If they have you typing commands you've never seen before, go to the terminal and type "man [that command]" to pull up that command's manual page. Many of the tutorials need only slight modification to apply to any Linux distrib, so it's certainly a good way to get your hands dirty with Linux.
- init100, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3For some of us, like me, the reverse is true. Fedora always works, while Ubuntu usually throws a hissy-fit. I never even managed to get it to boot, except in VMware.
- SpookyET, on 05/14/2008, -0/+4You have not experienced they joy of pacman, which is the best package manager.
- Jem7vwh, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3To Bad there is no Nvidia drivers.
- calcium20, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2I installed Windows xp on my vista laptop recently. I had decided to downgrade just because I was in a dualboot situation and it made no sense to keep 12gigs of vista around. Installed XP and I can't get drivers for my videocard, chipset, or anything. There is actually no solution. They didn't want people to use a still supported os, so they never released drivers for xp for my hardware, how awesome is that! Install any linux distro and most of everything is detected with a suitable driver loaded (provided they are not proprietary).
- NedSlider, on 05/14/2008, -1/+4Yeah, Windows is doomed to failure because they can't bundle everything with the OS without being sued for anti-competitiveness, so no bundled Office or image editing software etc, whereas an open platform like Linux can bundle anything and everything it likes.
A default install of Windows straight out of the box is next to useless - no drivers, no applications. A default install of Linux is so much more advanced. - mossblaser, on 05/14/2008, -1/+3I feel the same towards Fedora in many ways having had a SuSE and eventually ubuntu basted past. I'm not sure what it is about Fedora I don't prefer, somehow it has always struck me as a bit like OpenSuSE but with less nice looking artwork, but then again, ignorance is bliss!
- NedSlider, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2"But again think of a old man trying to fix his laptop, he would surely end up at best buy or circuit city to get it repaired and he will most likely get it fixed at a cost ...but with ubuntu...he has to do himself."
No. I will happily fix Linux systems and charge less than local competing services in my area. You just need to look for the right support. You wouldn't take your Ferrari to a Ford dealer to get it fixed, would you? - blackthorn, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2try to compare the right things .... rpm | dpkg ..... yum | apt . You seem to KNOW MUCH ABOUT.
- calcium20, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2hate to nitpick but ubuntu and fedora do not have the same kernel this release
ubuntu 8.04/ 2.6.24
fedora 9/ 2.6.25 - nailer, on 05/14/2008, -4/+6The title of this El Reg article makes the author sound like an *****.
Thank god all Linux users aren't like that. - incd, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3Just some critic about Fedora: Codecs are still harder to install (when it comes to new users, not all want to use the Helix player), the default graphical package manager is still really slow and has some major flaws.
- altf4me, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3I've never had to edit the registry. My sound cards have always worked in Windows. I tried Ubuntu last year and had to work to get MP3s playing and I couldn't change my resolution. OpenSuse worked much better for me. I've downloaded loads of distros this month and I'm going to try them all out. I really want Linux to be great.
- DteK, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2The key to my statement was "out of the box" I am quite aware I can edit some files and make it do what I want. I dont log into my main desktop machine as the root user, I use su, but for some initial configurations this is helpful to do. When I am trying out or experimenting with a new OS, I want to have full access, I dont want the OS to assume I may break something. So in that regards its not for me. It certainly does seem to serve as a great platform to get new users onto linux though.
- Misos, on 05/14/2008, -0/+3nkwell must be like me. I haven't used Redhat in ages (I used to use Mandrake, my first distro, which also used RPMs) and RPMs were absolutely abhorrent circa ~2002. Installing/finding dependencies was a pain, and I think that era has left a bad taste in the mouth of former RPM users.
- incd, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2I've owned XP and Vista, neither of those had Flash installed by default. Now, dugg me down.
- calcium20, on 05/14/2008, -0/+2"And on the topic of using pre-release versions of software, they have done it before, and consequently why I will NEVER use this on any production system. Fun for tinkering, and that's about it, have fun newbs ;)"
Oh and ubuntu doesn't include firefox 3 BETA 5. dumbass -
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