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- jaybob007, on 10/11/2007, -6/+63A Linux story without Ubuntu in it = Dugg
- rages4calm, on 10/11/2007, -8/+47*bitch slap*
- lucasmaximus, on 10/11/2007, -5/+34Then Install KDE in fedora.
- McTendo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Or how to reply?
- Mitchbones, on 10/11/2007, -5/+27torrenting it right now. Well its out right now, dugg.
- DigitalJester, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24It's current strengths are:
- Resolutions above 1024x768 supported without arsing about with X.Org
- The Livna repo = pwnage
- Uber stable
- It comes with everything you might need on the install DVD - EagleY, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23Public mirrors ---> http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/7/
torrent ---> http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
Grab it while it's hot! - FluffyArmada, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18I'm pretty sure he was joking. :-
- nessup, on 10/11/2007, -1/+15Whatever you do, don't upgrade your system via yum.
http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/dont-use-yum-to-update-to-fedora-7/ - fate3, on 10/11/2007, -14/+28blah i'm busy this week, i'll just wait and install fedora 8 next week..
- bruenig, on 10/11/2007, -7/+17@atom14x7
What do you mean deb package hell. Deb packages are as good if not better than rpm. I use arch myself which surpasses both. Also "service network restart" as opposed to "/etc/init.d/network restart", are you serious?
#!/bin/bash
INITSCRIPT=$1
ACTION=$2
/etc/init.d/${INITSCRIPT} $ACTION
Call it service and put it in the PATH. Those fedora guys, boy they are clever scripters. - EmoSLWarrior, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Actually... CentOS is RHEL in free format. Fedora is the bleeding edge stuff that RedHat doesn't want to put in Enterprise yet. They test it out on the free/open guinea pigs like you and me. When it's finally stable, they add it to Enterprise. Xen virtualization is a good example. It's in RHEL 5 and... it's also in CentOS 5.
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -6/+14http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
- mrwoody, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Also all my machines are Gentoo based.
On the other hand, I am a bit worrried about Gentoo because the developer are very busy fighting within each other (exactly like with debian few years ago). I am afraid we will see negative consequences very soon...
I am getting ready -10 digg (offtopic) - manbearpigm16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Any Linux distro that helps Linux progress is alright with me and Fedora does in my opinion some neat things that helps said progression. I also like Ubuntu for that reason, alternate operating systems ftw!
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7This is great, I do not use fedora, but I think the xorg 7.2 w/ xorg-xserver1.3 is pretty sweet, I mean hotplugable xorg, is sweet.
- alexanEmpire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Yes you can dual boot Fedora with Windows XP. I used to do it when I was running Fedora Core 4, before I switched to Ubuntu.
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Yes. There was a bug with a previous version of Fedora, but all is well now. Dual boot, or just run windows inside VMware in Fedora.
- Cerialthriller, on 10/11/2007, -16/+22does fedora recognize windows share folders yet without jumping through hoops? took over an hour to get them to show up in 6, in ubuntu, they were already ready on first bootup.
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7FC7 has xserver-xorg 1.3 which gives you a hotpluggable xorg, well guttsy gibbon has it but that wont be out for a while, ok from what I read feisty sort of has it, that it works for some and not for others.
- Wyzard, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Gentoo is "always up-to-date", but it doesn't have stable supported releases like Fedora/Debian/Ubuntu/etc. do; there's no security team backporting fixes to a stable version of a package.
If a security vulnerability is found in a program, a Gentoo user's only real option to resolve it is to upgrade to the latest version of the program. Admins of mission-critical systems don't like that because it can have other side effects besides fixing the security bug; they don't want to change what's already working.
Fedora users get an update which just fixes the security bug, and doesn't upgrade the version or change anything else about the program's behavior. - michnaugh1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Tastes for different linux distributions comes down to preference. That's one of the best things about Linux. You can choose and customize to your heart's content.
For me personally, I think the biggest reason for me to switch from Fedora to Ubuntu was ubuntuforums.org Second for me is Automatix. I started off on Fedora Core 3, switched to Breezy, and haven't been back since. No hard feelings to Red Hat. I just found what I preferred.
I have found the Ubuntu community to be much more accessible when I have had questions or problems. Having said that, I'm sure there are a lot of great wiki's and sites for Fedora.
Essentially, Automatix automates the process of getting programs, drivers, and codecs. It's very sharp, polished, and useful. I don't know if there is or is not an equivalent of Automatix for Fedora. There very well may be.
My best advice is to so some research to see what might suit you best. Osdir.com is a great place to start. Lots of screenshots of different distributions. Download a live cd and see if you like it. No harm since you don't have to install it on your hard drive. - TheNameless88, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Downloading it now. From what I've heard, it is a big step above FC6.
Kind of odd saying "Fedora" instead of "Fedora Core" now... But hey, I've found Fedora to fit my needs perfectly... - lucasmaximus, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5All Linuxes are essentially the same thing packaged differently. If you can do one thing in one, you'll be able to do it with another, albeit it may take more work to do it.
- bradhannahb, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5
http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/howtobesarcastic/ - ahawks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Dual boot, use a virtual machine, or use Wine. One way or another, you can do it :)
- THX1212, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5I'm curious as to whether anyone here as tried a test version of Fedora 7 out yet? If so, how is it? I'm thinking of switching to Linux and would like to try a few distros. Are there any reviews of test versions of Fedora 7 out there?
- mossblaser, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Personally I started off with SuSE 10 which really impressed me - SuSE has something very 'professional' feeling in the way it handles set-up and the like. I later tried Ubuntu which won me over in the end because it actually managed to handle my graphics card (long story!). The reasons that I have stuck with Ubuntu (though I have now got SuSE working with graphics) is apt-get, it makes installing new programs so easy (personal preference here), since switching from RPM I have not once run into dependency hell. Another couple of things that attracted me to ubuntu was Automatix and UbuntuGuide.org (fantastic guide - has been a life saver!). Ubuntu has an "annoying" habit of having an easier way to do some things that I missed trying to do things the hard way (e.g. installing graphics drivers.....)
One thing I have found is that many people who I have met who have taken up Linux having had a windows background found KDE better because of some similarities (start menu like feature, control panel type thing). The choice between KDE and GNOME is something that I find is the biggest problem for many people (and I don't want to start a flame war about which is better), but if you are a noob you'll probably want to stick with whatever the distro you install prefers. In many cases, like Fedora and SuSE, you get a choice but in some like Ubuntu or Kubuntu, you get one or another. My personal opinions on the two is that KDE is amazingly flexible and can be customised however I really like GNOME's KISS mentality (and in my experience it can be faster, more accurately a default SuSE install with GNOME is marginally faster (were talking 2 or 3 seconds difference here) at starting but as soon as you slap a lode of software on things vary hugely. I only use GNOME because I find Ubuntu to be better (for me) at doing what I want than Kubuntu, SuSE, Fedora etc. were, though I know you can install KDE on top it does feel a bit more botched (just my oppinion!).
So to sum up, the biggest factors in my choice were how easy installation of software was and how easy it was to configure things (when needed). While SuSE's YaST I find excelent to use apt-get blows away RPM (in my opinion!).
The main thing is, don't decide you don't like a distro because the default style looks ugly! The beauty of Linux is choice, my Ubuntu desktop is all nice and blue (rather than the nasty default brown) but you can make it look like anything under the sun (same goes for almost every distro of Linux).
Try as many distros as you can (be bothered trying) but make sure you have a look at both KDE and GNOME and also deb based and RPM based distros and see which you find best, and if you still aren't satisfied try the many other things arround! - rento, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Just seed it!! :D
- atom14x7, on 10/11/2007, -7/+11Fedora fan here! I've tried ubuntu every now and then, briefly installed every new version that comes out, and I've nothing really against it - except formaybe the seemingly inevitable deb package hell - which is perhaps one of my main reasons for sticking with redhat-based distros. Also redhat-based distros seem all the most "together", for example ubuntu: /etc/init.d/network restart; fedora: service network restart... But maybe that's just me
Has anyone come across CD torrents for F7? I sadly don't have a dvd burner and would rather not do a network install... - LordVoldemort, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8Gentoo: It's hard to make news when you're always up-to-date.
- init100, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I've done dual-boot with Windows XP and Fedora 1-6 (except 2) with no problems. So certainly it can.
- Cerialthriller, on 10/11/2007, -10/+13why do i get dugg down asking an honest question... everyone is like ooh open source open source screw windows but then you ask a question and just get buried.
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Message me in a few days, I will have it installed by monday night and tested out on both my lappy and my desktop.
- koolmanoncampus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Fanatical Ubuntu users probably buried the story... Many of them are known to circulate around digg.
- custangro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I have Fedora on my desktop and Ubuntu on my laptop...I like em both! I learned Linux on Fedora and it will always have a special place in my heart.... :P
Fedora can be used to practice your Red Hat skills (if you plan on being a Sys Admin like myself)...but you can always do that with CentOS...Ubuntu is good for "Desktop" use... - rherbert, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I usually upgrade my server (which is inconveniently located in a data center) using yum, but it looks like I shouldn't try that this time:
http://kernelslacker.livejournal.com/72836.html - Jamminn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@mrwoody - Here, here. Good comparison to the Debian dev team. One of the reasons I switched to Arch. Well, that and I like it :)
- koolmanoncampus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You get support with the "vesa" driver in xorg. It's the standard VGA driver. The guy in the channel was referring to "fglrx" which is ati's propreitary binary kernel module with a driver for ati cards (R300 & up).. there is an open source xorg driver("radeon") but it only supports up to the X850... support for the newer ati cards on that front is still in the works. the vesa driver will give you X and working resolutions. the only thing you won't get is openGL support with vesa.. However you can easily install fglrx post install... and if you really dislike the proprietary kernel module, you can run/install just the fglrx driver(which I bellieve is source editable atleast probably not gpled but I dunno)...
Some distros ship fglrx with the distro likely in possible violation of the GPL,rather then aid open source development (like the open source "radeon" driver aka the dri project.) - THX1212, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Can you dual boot Fedora and Windows XP? I still have a few programs on Windows that cannot be run very effectively with WINE. Last time I tried Fedora Core (FC4) I couldn't get it to dual boot. I heard there was a problem at the time but I'm not sure if it has been resolved or not.
- rory3, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I tried one of the test releases, I was pretty damn impressed. Will install 7 final when it's available on the local linux distro mirror... Sorry can't help you with a "review".
- manbearpigm16, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Explain to me why a distro besides ubuntu gets less diggs than a blog post reflecting on their 60 days with ubuntu.
- schotty, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3It all comes down to taste my fellow man.
Personally here is how I personally have been telling people what I have noticed and thus recommend:
Linspire : Willing to spend money, and want something simple. CNR is great. KDE based
Ubuntu : Linspire without CNR at the moment. GNOME based.
Fedora : A bit tougher to grasp than Ubuntu or Linspire. But a wee bit more flexible and based on RPM as opposed to DEB. This can be advantageous for some (seasoned RHEL admins).
Personally I run Fedora or CentOS (free RHEL) on my personal machines, and always keep a VM of Linspire and Ubuntu on hand for demoing the subtle differences (Linspire comes with all the codecs preinstalled and CNR, for example).
If you are not in a big hurry to switch, but are willing to spend a few bucks on a good distro, Linspire will be releasing V6 in a few weeks. I personally would recommend going that route if you are looking for the simplest and best migration path. Linspire 6 is based on Ubuntu 7.04 + all of the Linspire niceties.
HTH - greengiant2684, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2forgive my newbish question, but.. i use windows, and have been thinking about making the switch, but i dont know what distro to choose.. seems like everyone on digg uses ubuntu, is there a reason for ubuntu over fedora or debian or..?
- cynicist, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I've always wondered why choice is confusing to new users. I had fun distro hopping for my first two years using linux until I finally found Arch. Different setups for different types of people.
- PoptartKing, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Ubuntu has a large, popular support forum. I suppose that's as good a reason as any to choose it.
(I'm posting on fedora, really they're all more or less the same) - clickwir, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I liked the Gentoo back in 2004. emerge was great.
The only issue was they were slow, then at least, of getting the latest packages ready. It would be sometimes 3 months before some packages would be updated. Sure once they were there it was just a simple emerge away.... but it seemed to take forever for them to get there.
Again, this was a few years ago and is probably better now. From my experience, Kubuntu now stays more upto date than Gentoo back then. But that could have changed. I might check it out again. - squeaker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Yes, I was. *****.
- Philluminati, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Fedora is linux for a linux users. It's got all the packages you need and the apps you love. Its effecient, easy to use and has 2 million users.
- Cerialthriller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3blah mounting drives isnt what i meant. I plug my laptop into my work network, there are 100s of sharefolders i need access to on it. What i am asking is, if i click on the network drives thing, do they automatically show up or do i need to mount 100s of sharefolders individually?
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