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- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -9/+131See this is the thing. It shouldn't be eye candy. Animation on OSX (and Vista) isn't about eye candy even though it's certainly pleasing to look at. It's all about usability. Take the genie effect on OSX. By having that effect, it's clear to the user what is happening to the application and where it is going. If it just disappeared and ended up in the dock, you'd be left pretty clueless. Same as fast user switching - having it as a cube is a metaphor that users can understand conceptually. Same as the smooth scaling in iPhoto - you can clearly see the same photos enlarging and so on.
Eye candy should be the last consideration. The main benefit of animation on the desktop is usability, first and foremost. That's why I don't understand 'wobbly windows' on [whatever library it was]. To me that serves no purpose because I can see the window dragging whether it wobbles or not. What does wobbling add to the experience? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+53Video 1: What's with the annoying rounded corners? Hope those are optional.
Video 2: Not sure I understand what is so F-ing awesome about dancing emoticons.
Video 3: Everything looks squished, hopefully its just the video, but that's hard to read and not that interesting.
Video 4: Not F-ing amazing. Not even substantially better than what XP did.
Conclusion: Nothing F-ing amazing about this. Linux has much better to offer. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -10/+48The motion blur is simply beautiful, and something that needs to be system-wide IMHO. Notice how smooth the cursor's movement is in OS X? Motion blur. Except there appears to be plans for many other applications, like the new GMAE (Gnome Mobile and Embedded) initiative. Can't wait to see this on an N800 or in Gnome 3.0 maybe! All on a free and open desktop!
Eye candy FTW!
Here are the youtube mirrors just in case the servers die:
Demo 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqq6FlwkGBc
Demo 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39V2GAF77oo
Demo 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L7500aq9t8
Demo 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Fv3jdgzFrI - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+44"Compiz has officially pwned Vista"
LOL. Yeah, you can just tell by the installed userbase!
"Now if only us linux people can have a decent alternative to microsoft office"
www.openoffice.org - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+29"Only one thing bothers me – there are so many people who sent me nice and encouraging comments about the project, but somehow it doesn’t translate well into code contributions. I used to think this is related to the fact that multimedia is just darn scary and there are not many people who want to deal with it. But recently I realized, that maybe it’s just my fault of sending the wrong community “signals”. Therefore, I want to make one thing clear:
Your help and skills can make this thing happen. This is open-source, let’s do it together."
Any diggers willing to contribute? - betterth, on 10/12/2007, -11/+37@kevin45
Unfortunately Open Office is nothing more than a functional match for MS Office -- if that. MS Office 2007 is the culmination of decades of office software and it shows. The ribbon system is ingenious. *****, I hate using Office 2003 now, which I still find much better than Open Office.
The only time I find Open Office a valid program is when Office is unavailable and Google Docs won't cut it for what I need.
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On this topic. Compiz has not officially pwned Vista. If by officially, you mean maybe a couple hundred thousand people versus an install base of already millions, with millions more each much, than sure. I don't quite see how when the competitors adoption rate is orders of magnitude faster than your own how you're owning them.
Oh, I get it. Since even though your product is free, and you're still distributing 1/10 of Microsoft, you boast your /technological/ superiority over Windows, as Linux has /always/ done. Sure gets you far. - i4mt3hwin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30Oh man this is so ***** awesome, My eyes melted my heart got ripped out and my kneecap went directly to my spleen it was so amazing.
Honestly after watching all the videos it looks pretty lame. - stuf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24"Notice how smooth the cursor's movement is in OS X? Motion blur."
Err, no, but keep on guessing and you might end up in better answers, like actual mouse acceleration and such. - caliform, on 10/12/2007, -1/+21I usually develop for OS X - I even do that for a living, but since the start of Lowfat and other, wide-perspective applications of animation on the free desktop, I'm getting involved as well. There's just no stopping the appeal of Linux to a broad user base now, and we really need new idea's and people able to bring them to reality. On top of all the greatness, Apple is intending to support all this 3d goodness in OS X with the next modular Xorg and direct rendering support in Leopard.
- kwoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18I didn't see what was supposed to be awesome, either.
And furthermore, there was no heavy metal music in the background. - Talez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Going after Apple? Core Animation is already media-agnostic, hardware accelerated, multi-threaded and is stupidly easy to use.
I don't see how Graff could be any better unless it made me hot waffles on a cold, winter morning. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20> Any diggers willing to contribute?
I'll Digg. :-) - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Buried for pointlessly telling us why you bury.
(let the recursion begin). - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16The problem with Enlightenment is it's main ability seems to be the ability to spend an eternity in alpha and for upgrades to seriously break compatibility. A brilliant technology showcase but it needs to get closer to what you can call a release in order to succeed. It's a pity because most of the work truly is brilliant.
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20bury me as LOW as you can take it
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19YES!!!!111 I've always wanted to spin emotes in different ways around my screen and scroll through lists! Now my life is complete.
- meatmcguffin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20"ooh, shiny" isn't the reason Mac users buy their Macs. It's the reason Windows users give for Mac users buying their Macs.
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16"Going after Apple? Core Animation is already media-agnostic, hardware accelerated, multi-threaded and is stupidly easy to use."
Point taken! Core Animation is fantastic for developers on the Apple side. But did you see how fast Compiz took off?
:) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Headline was written by a 10 year old.
- archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14Uh, guys, this is a demonstration of a library's capabilities, not an an actual application. Get a freakin' clue, or don't go around posting about things you don't know about.
- gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -28/+39"Compiz has officially pwned Vista, now we're gunning for Apple!"
Invalid until Apple takes over the PC Gaming industry, and until Apple allows OEMs to put the OS on non-Apple PCs, this won't happen. - ray901, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@VinceNoir
Buried for using what looks like 4000 words to say "I think f'ing is ok to use" - VinceNoir, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18@tizz66
You're assuming that "eye candy" is seen as something predominantly positive. I believe that in the FOSS world it's used in a slightly pejorative way. It's nice to look at, but really doesn't do that much to improve the user experience or increase productivity. This applies just as much to Vista and Mac OS X as it does to things like Enlightenment or Compiz/Beryl.
On the other hand, I've been using Beryl for a few months now (daily and in production, not on a test box) and I have to say it GREATLY increases usability and productivity. It's more than just pretty too look at and in all honesty, as I said in another post, the "wow" factor of Beryl wears off quickly once you start using it day to day. When you go back to using Gnome Metacity or are tasked with using a Windows or Mac system, you really realize how much is missing from them.
In terms of the Graff library, we have a few factors to counter your take on them. First, this is early on in it's development, so it stands to reason that outside of the developers themselves, the application of these effects hasn't been discussed in a general public sense. But make no mistake, the developers didn't create these effects just to look nice. They exist solely to increase the functionality of Gnome based applications. Combine this with the fact that Gnome announced their embedded initiative (ie. mobiles and PDAs) and the fact that the demos were done on Nokia equipment, and you see that these libraries are very efficient.
Still, my biggest argument that I've been trying to shout from all the online hilltops has been that new UI paradigms won't happen until new interface hardware exists. The multitouch screen on the iPhone and very likely the next wave or so of Macs, will bring about these first real shifts in GUI interaction. Having been in the audio production world in a past life, I can tell you that something like ProTools will likely be one of the early benefactors of multitouch screens. Imagine a GUI made to look like a hybrid between a mixing console and graph controls that the engineer can control with multiple fingers simultaneously. Even just the mixing console metaphor becomes incredibly more lifelike in that instance whereas it fails with just a single mouse pointer. Once these sorts of changes become commodity hardware for all platforms, libraries such as Graff as well as environments like Beryl and Compiz will fly past everyone else. As long as they are forward thinking... I'm just a fan of UIs (both command line and graphical), so I've given this a lot of thought for the past few decades. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@kevin45: You're right....but I think he meant "Aero" instead of "Vista".
Which, in that case, he'd be right if we're comparing overall features, customizability, and minimum system requirements. - hometoast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Can I bury this with the reason: "Yawn"?
- DieselDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I agree. This Article = Suck.
- h0ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Go run Vista with Aero on a nokia 770, and good luck at that.
- morbidous, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@natenovs
Actually, you would need to compare DirectX with OpenGL... Beryl is a Windows Manager and not a graphical API. - dengzhi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8okay... not exactly "F-ing AWESOME"
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Is there any source available? Would be a good starting place :)
...Unless I overlooked it. - MindTrigger, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Ok, after watching those videos, I need someone to explain to me what was so friggin' special. Those were the most yawn-inspiring graphics demos I have ever seen.
- sire021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I've been on digg for over 2 years now, and the level of idiots is starting to amaze me
you guys are teh win of the dumb comments award - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11if you're not interested in development libraries for Linux, then I guess I see your point. IMHO this kind of stuff is the coolest thing about Linux, but that's where we differ.
An easy way to add touchscreen behavior, Adobe Flash-like animation, and Apple-like motion blur to my applications is quantum leap in what's available to me when developing Linux apps. *This* is the future of modern Gnome applications and I do think it's awesome! - Almadiel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7To "pwn" Vista you need to compete with DirectX 10, not just aero.
- inkyblue2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7my first thought is that he should contact the openmoko folks. if it can run smoothly on the neo1973, i bet there are people there who would end up using it and contributing.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7dclowd9901: Sorry, that's the flimsiest excuse for eye candy I've ever heard.
- benjaoming, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7You can't compare Aero with these videos. They're demo videos of an animation framework. You can compare Aero with Beryl or Compiz.
- mbeauchez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Jokosher is probably the most promising project in that department right now (www.jokosher.org)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12Nice, that's almost as good as packages out 7 years ago. Better at least be OS.
- tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5See my post at top of the page. Effects in OSX and Vista are not eye candy, they have actual verifiable usability benefits. It's not about being able to work faster - that's efficiency, a different measurement - it's about being able to use it better. Spinning emoticons though... Yeah, that's pointless eye candy.
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Rosegarden, ReZound, Hydrogen, Freebirth...
For more look down the Add/Remove list in e.g. Ubuntu. - archiesteel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Did you RTFA? This is a new rendering library. The videos are simply demos of some of the library's capabilities.
- DieselDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@VinceNoir
Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brevity
Learn it. Live it. You're welcome. - PRlME, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i can build a better interface in flash...i seen nothing amazing there
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I see nothing in there that WPF can't do, the only difference is that the compiz demos are less elegant
- xmuzik, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5anyone know of any great music making programs in linux that are in the same vein of fruity loops, buzz , cubase, or ableton ?
also are there any programs that runs vst instruments in linux ? - DieselDaddy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3F-ing eTarded perhaps.
- mikemil828, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's sad that actual decent linux users are made to look bad by overblown statements such as this
- phenom2k7, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6What's amazing about it?
Buried as inaccurate tripe. - Hoogs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7Yeah, it may be eye candy at first, but would probably just get annoying in the long run. In the end, you just need something that works. Pretty? Yes. Practical? Probably not.
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