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- Serigei, on 10/12/2007, -10/+36What are you talking about? "Linux" doesn't HAVE a look of it's own. It's a kernel. On top of it sits GNU software, among which are Window Managers (Fluxbox, FVWM, Metacity, KWin, Compiz, etc) which are a component of Desktop Environments (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, Mezzo, etc), which are all extremly customizable and largely interchangable. "Linux's" "look" would be whatever the ***** you want it to be. Some people copy Luna/Aero/Aqua, either because they like it, or to help new users feel comfortable, or whatever. And everyone copies everyone, so get over it. If you really want to get into it, you could probably create multiple page lists of things [MS|Apple|FLOSS] copied from [MS|Apple|FLOSS].
Now, if you're talking about DISTROS having looks of their own, the situation's totally different.
/mildly intoxicated rant - JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"You're perhaps the only Linux user I've ever seen that doesn't have a childish, fanboy attitude."
Those who do are actually by far the minority. It's just that those who don't have much passion for it, whether from fanboyism or better reasons, tend to not care enough to really comment on it. Linux is the OS I use, but I have about as much motivation to talk much about the OS I use, as the socks I wear. Might be nice for me, but in the long run I figure strangers have about 0 interest in how either of those factor into my day-to-day. - sishgupta, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12FVWM is a hideous window manager.
Its anti-eyecandy. Maybe, eye-acid.
I don't see how simple transparency is eye candy anymore. Thats so year 2000. - Virak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Sorry, but XGL and Compiz have raised the bar for Linux eye-candy quite a bit; simple pseudo transparency isn't going to cut it anymore.
Personally, I'll stick with ion3; it's extremely lightweight, highly configurable if you can be bothered to learn Lua, and the most keyboard friendly WM I've ever used, and IMO that's a lot more useful than wobbly windows and transparency. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9scope enlightenment,
you need to know your way around a linux system to be able to use it effectivly. but if you can, its one of the best. its hella unique. very customizable super fast. and there are ***** of bitching themes for it. it's a bit feature starved if you're a KDE fan. but its 1000000% faster and if you're l33t you love terminals anyway.
http://enlightenment.org/ - burke, on 10/12/2007, -14/+19get ahold of yourself, you know what he meant.
- michuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Virak: I read your post. Just wanted to clafiy that XGL and Crystal are not playing in the same league. ION and Crystal are. That's all.
- michuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5But Xgl+Compiz won't run on Pentium II, 233Mhz. Crystal will.
- masamunecyrus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8@schrodiggity:
Thank you. You're perhaps the only Linux user I've ever seen that doesn't have a childish, fanboy attitude. It's helped my overall opinion of the majority of Linux users, for sure, and actually made me curious about the OS for once. - KCorax, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It's not just that, FVWM's usability sucks. There is not standard way of changing configuration visually. Plus it actively encourages you to open up console windows.
Light projects like XFCE offer a much better and more solid user experience. - quinwound, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4FVWM is one of those things that takes time to configure to the way you want. But for the experienced Linux users, fine tuning a X environment can take weeks, sometimes months. FVWM gives you advanced features and really cool flexibility, and the tools to get the job done. For this reason, FVWM theme by default is a bare minimum theme. FVWM’s default theme is a building block to make the environment that that user wants.
FVWM is a tool. If you know how to use it, you love it. If you don’t take the time to learn it, you think it is useless and bash it. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If you like fvwm you should also give Ion http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/ a look-see.
It's not so "eye-candy" (whatever that means) by default, but it's damn fast and damn configurable
for ubuntu and debian:
sudo apt-get ion3 ion3-scripts ion3-mod-ionflux - Virak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They probably will, just slowly. And in case you haven't been paying attention, I'm not a fan of either; I prefer ion3, which will quite easily run on such hardware.
Please actually read posts before replying to them. - JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Don't be too harsh on true translucency. Being able to read text on one full screen document, while typing on the window above it, have proven a huge increase to my productivity once I got the knack of it. It sounds pretty weird, but the eye can adapt to it pretty easily in a fairly short amount of time.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What are the hardware requirements for this?
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"PEM's fvwm theme(s)"
Sorry, but that = fail. I liked the one in TFA much, much better. - gothfox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sorry, usability doesn't equal clunky GUI wizards for everything or hand-holding. For example, for me Gnome is a lot less usable than FVWM, thus its usability (for me) is lower. And FVWM can look quite nice, thank you very much, shameless plug:
http://bah.org.ru/fvwm - michuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Same as for FVWM (in the default configuration, without a file manager). I personally used it on Pentium II 455Mhz with 128MB and it ran smoothly with Rox desktop.
- spafbnerf, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1fvwm is beautiful - checkout PEM's fvwm theme(s): http://pemarchandet.free.fr/fvwm.html
- LoneStar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I find it gorgeous.. but i'll stick with KDE
- arghh2d2, on 11/02/2007, -0/+0fvwm-crystal works for me. i love it. looks good and its lightning fast at the same time, any more eyecandy wouldnt appeal to me since i try to do more with the computer than just jerk off over the graphics. dont slam fvwm just cuz you dont have the time or patience to explore its options and fathom the usefullness of the default recipes and mouse/keyboard shorties.
- Vinvin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It doesn't look as bad as I remembered, but I'm quite content with Xfce for now ;)
- losvedir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Anyone know how this compares to Enlightenment E17?
I remember checking it out a while ago and it was very fast (supposed to be able to run on old hardware like this one), and very beautiful. The two seem kind of similar to me, or at least are trying to fit into the same niche. - diecastbeatdown, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2fvwm would be pretty cool if it didn't suck.
- JEmerson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2To follow up, I became curious as to how fvwm stood in terms of possible compatibility with xgl in particular, and compiz in terms of future plans. The links google gave were amazing examples of the kind of behaviour that drives people away. It's really amazing how often proficiency with coding for linux goes along with having some of the worst people skills in any particular culture. It reminds me of why I kept away from debian as long as I did. Despite being a great distro, it was downright embarrassing having even the tiniest possibility of being seen as a person who'd condone the level of incivility seen on their mailing lists. It's better now, but back in the day it was downright scary that adults would behave like that.
- michuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1E17 is a separate window manager. Crystal is a desktop (or theme if you like to call it that) based on FVWM. E17 is more aimed at newbies. Crystal goes for being very configurable, mostly for advanced users, though - with Crystal you can use all the goodies provided by FVWM. So summing up, the looks may be similar, but beneath, there is a completely different WM.
- jeriqo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Was this story posted on 1995?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1whoops
- agsedu, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Interesting DE, already installed it and the instructions for Ubuntu were pretty accurate, but does anyone know how to do a quickkey "run dialogue" shortcut? In KDE and Gnome its "Alt F2."
Thanks. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -39/+8 Nice...Linux really should try to stop looking like Windows or a Mac though and get a look of it's own.
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