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- spunker202, on 07/20/2009, -5/+451) KSplice : Integrating no reboot is an ok thing, maybe it isn't groundbreaking tech, but it's still something.
2) Usb 3.0 : I'm glad that Linux comes to the Os forefront by integrating new technology.
I remember 3 years ago, many usb sticks weren't supported by ubuntu, and linux was still a pretty geeky thing. It just wasn't user ready.
Now, anyone with some basic computer skills, can grasp Ubuntu and use it for daily computing.
3) Android apps : Even though integrating this isn't crucial for 9.10 ( Chrome/android isn't set to come out before 2010), it's better to have a head start to assure compatibility between Os'es. Moreover it's filling the lack of windows app support ( yes i know there's WINE) by assuring cross platform programs for Ubuntu/Chrome/Android.
I clearly see that Ubuntu and Google teams will work hand in hand making sure to release cross platform features.
For now, it's just a 5 min analysis based on a one page article. Like we say in this field, wait and see.
Another conclusion is that we can predict the exponential rise of open-source computership.
10 years ago, open-source was just students and programmers giving their free time to develop projects, it was the old " evening programming days". Now, it's a total different landscape, companies have invested big bucks in open-source technology and tend to set value on the user's needs and wills. Open-source has left desktop computers for phones, netbooks, servers, ...
Anyway, I'm really excited to see how all this will turn out in 2010-2011, if Doomsday hasn't passed by. - samanathon, on 07/20/2009, -2/+29This doesn't just apply to desktops (and you) - think larger: servers. Imagine never having to take a server, and it's resources, down. Ever.
- esc27, on 07/20/2009, -1/+26I have to agree with the author about KSplice. Having both Linux and Windows servers to support, the monthly ritual of finding the best possible down time to reboot the windows servers is always a pain and makes the Linux servers look really, really good. With KSplice, Microsoft will be even further behind.
- smotpoker, on 07/20/2009, -3/+23"The fact that Linux supports a new kind of hardware is considered to be news speaks volumes about how much some distros are lacking in that department."
You don't believe being the first to support a new technology qualifies as "news"? If someone were to cite it as a Windows feature would you be making the same complaint? Further, contrary to what you seem to think, the announcement is a testament to the fact Linux implements compatibility with most hardware pretty much ASAP. Linux implemented support for AMD64, SATA and lots of other hardware well before other OSes. At any given time 90+% of hardware is supported by Linux (often without vendor help) and that likelihood increases with the component's age. Pretty much 99% of anything older than a year or so is fully supported (or close to it) - TrevorPace, on 07/20/2009, -4/+19It has?
- anonymous10, on 07/20/2009, -2/+14I think it could be argued that compared to the mainstream commercial operating systems, Ubuntu is not only easier to use and maintain, but that it also has lower system requirements and the advantage of being open source.
Linux is no longer geeky, it's fast becoming the obvious choice when application support isn't an issue. - matthekc, on 07/20/2009, -4/+13dugg for the really good pic of a usb 3.0 port
- aaron.dunlap, on 07/20/2009, -4/+12These comments are as awful as the article. As is mine, but it had to be said.
- blowed247, on 07/20/2009, -1/+9http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/09/ces_usb_3_ ...
- RupeThereItIs, on 07/20/2009, -4/+12As someone who works in IT infrastructure, I feel your pain but I'm appalled at the state of 'downtime' in today's IT world. You shouldn't have to FIND the best possible down time, it should simply be defined before the server is set up (and not be optional). Ksplice is rather nifty, but I question the stability of such a solution (especially this early on) for production systems. If you have an application that can't take -weekly- planned downtime of ~10-30 min, it should be designed to span multiple servers & redundant infrastructure, period. And when the business sees the cost of that design, weekly downtime doesn't usually seem that horrible (and doesn't really happen that often anyway). There seems to have been a pendulum swing towards giving the business people whatever they want even when it's not in anyones best interest.. and then when the infrastructure fails for lack of maintenance, guess who gets the blame? (P.s. I am not bitter :-) )
- mrwoody, on 07/20/2009, -0/+7The story about usb 3.0 is pretty cool... we could bring all our data on a usb pen and then we just need it to connect it somewhere and run it like you are using your own pc (same speed, etc...) .
- nenillo, on 07/20/2009, -1/+8USB 3.0: Ok, cool. But what is this guy saying?
"as a 1 GB or more USB 3.0 thumb drive appears, mark my words, I will be installing Fedora as if my life depended on it."
A 5Gbps bus does not mean a 5Gbps pendrive. I didn't see yet any pendrive that can overflow the 480Mbps USB2.0 bus. - Runningflame570, on 07/20/2009, -0/+6There is a reason why everyone is digging you down and it's probably that you have no fricking clue what you're talking about.
It does support the middle mouse button, it's called alternate copy and paste and is a heck of a lot more useful than browser scrolling when every modern mouse has a scroll wheel.
To use, highlight some text (try this text here), now click the mouse button and copy it elsewhere. It doesn't work in everything (gnome-terminal or gedit) but it does in most. - DBeta, on 07/20/2009, -1/+7Although OSs today are far better about not needing reboots, it's still annoying for some people. I prefer to never shut down my system, and I will often put off a kernel update for months just so I don't have to bother. It would be fantastic to never have to reboot. And not just my desktop. I also have a TV Box running Ubuntu that I rather dislike restarting(and I have it set to automatically update without asking me), and a NAS box which is also a pain to restart. Now I can be sure these are always up-to-date without ever having downtime.
I have my doubts about how well it will work in practice, but I'm very hopeful.
As for "focusing on stuff that matters, like performance...", Ubuntu is quite solid for me. It's a little slow on my laptop, but my laptop is a little slow anyways(512mb of RAM FTL). If you want something blazing fast, try Damn Small Linux. It will do everything needed to run an OS, including run Firefox, but can run completely in RAM with only 256MB. That means almost everything you try to do is instant! But even if you stick with good ol' Ubuntu they have been working hard to increase performance in every release. The only slowdowns I ever hit on my desktop are when it decides to forget the icon cache of the kicker and has to pull them from the HDD before the kicker will respond(quite annoying). - chadsmith729, on 07/20/2009, -0/+6I don't know what to be more excited about ... USB 3.0 or KSplice. I think I will have to go with USB 3.0 on this one. That's going to be amazing when it comes out.
- krisrm, on 07/20/2009, -0/+6I'm not sure who's burying you; that makes very good sense. Linux with KSplice or not, if you can't handle a paltry 20 minutes of downtime a week, you shouldn't be on a single-server solution.
- DBeta, on 07/20/2009, -3/+8Ubuntu's "Out of the Box" working factor is pretty much the best in existence. Sure, when you buy a computer with Windows preloaded, it works fantastic, and the customized install discs they give you(when they decide to) make sure that reinstalling the OS will be ready to go as well. But try building your own machine. Having to install network, USB, graphics, sound, and fan control drivers is not fun, and often not easy(some driver CDs are just bundles of like 30 products with generic names). Ubuntu takes no configuration for my systems. The only think I have to do anything special to get working is the WiFi light on my laptop and the LCD on my keyboard, but it doesn't require any command line work, there were programs for it in the package manager, much easier than going to the manufacturer's website and wading through a bunch of crap.
Some people just love to hate Linux. Like god forbid someone mentions something besides what you are used to. - Runningflame570, on 07/20/2009, -2/+6Do you generally install your system entirely from source or is that just something you decided would be fun to try?
Repeat after me: Applications > Add/Remove Applications
Oh and you have to enter a password, click a checkbox, and click apply. Makes the Baton Death March look easy, doesn't it? - Runningflame570, on 07/20/2009, -0/+4So it was totally interesting? But then you contradict yourself in the next sentence...
- skintigh, on 07/20/2009, -8/+12Um, was I the only one who went to that article expecting to see something exciting, or even interesting?
Buried for wasting my time. - anonymous10, on 07/20/2009, -1/+5Ooh, looks like the capitalist pigs are crushing you with their buries, comrade.
- Rudegar, on 07/20/2009, -0/+4yeah you could put a virtual os on it and you'd have your own desktop too
- IkariGendou, on 07/20/2009, -0/+4I personally find KSM, Ramzswap and Gallium3D considerably more innovative and exciting.
- p3ngwin, on 07/20/2009, -2/+6@DIVINEMONKEY
reboot-less kernel updates aren't about saving the time of the updated machine.
it's about the productivity loss of WHAT the machine was doing. imagine all the datacentres that can update in realtime WITHOUT downtime.
do you have any idea how many datacentres and servers are involved in your everyday browsing? nearly every one of those hops using linux would need to have downtime for a kernel update.
that means EVERYONE that was connected goes down.
every person browsing,....
every machine connected for services, ....
everything.
imagine if google didn't have their current redundancy solution to keep uptime. imagine if they had to "reboot for 2 mins"........
EVERYTHING at Google, all the apps, all the services, the Gmail,etc........gone.......for an eternal "2 minutes" as Google reboots.
you would be quite vocal about your sudden reduction of lifestyle due to machines rebooting for "2 mins."
imagine if :
* your electricity company had to cut you off ...
* hospitals had to stop saving people...
* the police department couldn't take anyone's emergency call for help ...
* your future pacemaker had to stop ...
* all the airports had to ground planes ...
* the stock market had to close ....
* NASA couldn't communicate with astronauts...
... for 2minutes....
imagine if the world's machines had to stop for 2 mins...... - MWeather, on 07/21/2009, -0/+3Rebuilding kernels? Easy there grandpa, things have changed in the decade or so since you last tried Linux.
- altgeeky1, on 07/20/2009, -2/+5Performance under Linux is -awesome- so what problem are you having?
My desktop soars...
I'll admit that my laptop suffers from the recent X11 changes and Intel not getting a driver out correctly (at the time Ubuntu 9.04 shipped). If that is what you are running, I understand your complaint.. (fyi - there IS an update to fix the Intel driver, but it's an outside update for some reason. That's been my 1 recent disappointment suffered... none others found in years, so I can't complain too loudly..) - buckrogers1965, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3Don't have admin on that box.
- spectre_25gt, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3I definitely agree with you. Unfortunately, not every application has a true high availability option. Combine that with a workforce who's used to being able to work 24/365, you end up very frustrated.
- motang, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3Yeah I have Boxee running on a Asus EeeBox hooked to the TV and I would love it to not have to reboot after kernel updates.
- Runningflame570, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3This guy is attempting a troll but is actually correct. There is no year of the Linux desktop, there is a gradual improvement of and subsequent uptick in adoption for the Linux desktop.
- matthekc, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3Thanks
- bigteebo, on 07/20/2009, -0/+3I wish I could find the settings in Ubuntu to control mouse scrollwheel speed.
- Meep3D, on 07/20/2009, -3/+5Yet if it doesn't support the hardware out of the box you are pretty much stuffed unless you are a guru, while with Windows it requires a few minutes searching then download->run, rather than fannying around for hours/days rebuilding kernels and following forum posts to try and get ndiswrapper working.
- spectre_25gt, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2Once hypervisors get to the point where they truly support advanced features such as DirectX and OpenGL to the same extent as current hardware, a door will open up to some pretty amazing possibilities. Switching between operating systems as easily as using a KVM switch; both running at the same time with access to a shared data store... I'm drooling already.
- Almightymole, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2These are certainly important to the Linux Desktop, hopefully the merge MPX into X.org will be this soon year also.
http://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/7.5 - ChstrCopperpot, on 07/20/2009, -0/+2Android support, WEWT.
- MWeather, on 07/21/2009, -0/+2What freedom?
- Jimbob0i0, on 07/21/2009, -0/+2That's called a test environment that is an exact mirror of the production environment....
That test environment is to be used for testing reboots etc post software upgrade and meanwhile in the case of hardware failure in a reboot scenario (such as a power down) then there should be a redundant system ready to jump in to replace that one...
I look after a 24x7x365 website and this kinda stuff needs to be planned in advance... and yes I wish my budget was not non-existant and that I had more rack space ;) - joebaloney, on 07/25/2009, -0/+2LinuxPwns, do you know what the word "troll" means?
- runep, on 07/20/2009, -4/+6A server that you never reboot is pretty much a server that is guaranteed to be completely screwed up when you one day suffer a power / hardware failure.
I'm not saying Ksplice is a bad thing, but in a real production environment, you'd still need to plan upgrades (upgrades should always be expected to break something) and ensure that the server will function after a reboot. (Typically by rebooting during scheduled downtime) - symx, on 07/20/2009, -1/+3"Open-source has left desktop computers for phones, netbooks, servers, ..."
open source was always first on servers - MWeather, on 07/21/2009, -0/+1"Once hypervisors get to the point where they truly support advanced features such as DirectX and OpenGL to the same extent as current hardware, a door will open up to some pretty amazing possibilities."
Like what? Switching OSes while playing a video game? Because you can already switch between OSes if 3d graphics aren't required. Paravirtualization is nothing new. - MWeather, on 07/21/2009, -0/+1"So, you're saying that with Kernel updates not causing a reboot, Google can scale back to one server"
No, but they need less servers overall, as they don't have as much server downtime. The cost savings is enormous. - inactive, on 07/21/2009, -1/+2DERP
- BalooUrsidae, on 07/20/2009, -1/+2BluRay: The DivX of this decade. And I'm not talking the codec, I'm talking the crappy format that tried to compete against DVD before.
- krc1, on 08/04/2009, -0/+1If you're the moron that you appear to be, yes.
- PillCosby, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1I dont really think tech and politics mix to well, socialist OS? lol
- Azathothh, on 07/26/2009, -0/+1Blue Ray? Cool 3d games? Good applications?
- otros, on 07/21/2009, -0/+1I build my own machine, and everything worked out of the box in windows vista, and now 7 (7100). When I installed ubuntu, I couldn't get sound.
See, my anecdote doesn't mean *****, and yours neither.
Anyway, all three of these sound pretty cool, esp. the quick USB 3 support. - MethodOne, on 07/21/2009, -0/+1MWeather: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html .
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