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- 4DFX, on 06/11/2008, -5/+53I'm so proud to live in the EU.
- loconet, on 06/11/2008, -0/+44Wrong title.
Don't get me wrong, I'm an Open Source advocate but let's get it right. Open Standards does not necessarily equate with Open Source. EU is advocating for Open Standards not Open Source. Hell, it's even in the article. .. "The open-source movement, which is different, advocates freely sharing the underlying code used for software, the group said." Do submitters bother read what they submit?
I personally think having the benefits of Open Standards known and enforced if necessary is even more important than adopting Open Source everywhere. - joelito, on 06/11/2008, -0/+44I skimmed the article and didn't see anything specifically about open source, but the preference for open standards mentioned in the article seems like a no-brainer to me.
- JasonCox, on 06/11/2008, -2/+40Open Standards != Open Source
- hokie47, on 06/11/2008, -8/+38Europe is so much better than America at everything. I am so sad to be American now days. I am not sure if I can go on living like this. Must end this suffering.
- BigManOnCampus, on 06/11/2008, -5/+33Everyone knows it is inevitable that eventually the whole world will use it heavily.
- Earendil1, on 06/11/2008, -1/+18Turkey isn't a member state of the EU
- DanBoodro, on 06/11/2008, -0/+16Turkey ain't no member of the EU.
- spanglegluppet, on 06/11/2008, -4/+20Go Europe.
- Soval, on 06/11/2008, -1/+17Turkey is not a member of the EU.
- Murdats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+15just because anyone can contribute to something doesnt mean anything can get into it.
its like wiki, anyone can add anything, but good luck having it stay there for more then 1 minute if it doesnt belong.
add a backdoor to the program and 10 other people will go 'hmm that shouldnt be there, let me remove that' then the project managers review the code, then it goes to testing then it gets released.
unless you are the only person using your open source program how do you expect to sneak in a major thing like that? - MSP1, on 06/11/2008, -1/+12...and change is not possible in your universe?
- Zounas, on 06/11/2008, -0/+10Your assumption is that terrorists/hackers are the only one who see the source (after writing it or course) and no other checks it, validates and run tests before implementing it in the whole EU? Sounds reasonable.
- billyfalconer, on 06/11/2008, -4/+12Buried because the Digg headline confuses open standards with open source.
- subterfuge, on 06/11/2008, -2/+10i wish i did. i'm stuck in America. btw, nice kubuntu profile pic. very pertinent to the article.
- ResonantToe, on 06/11/2008, -0/+8Easy there honky, If we did that, then how would I milk the deparment I moonlit with for an extra $1,000 to get their website working in IE6?
- HonoredMule, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7I personally think open standards are much more widely important than open source.
- Soval, on 06/11/2008, -2/+9The Linux community fixes problems a lot faster than Microsoft.
- peaceninja, on 06/11/2008, -1/+8nationalism = racism?
- sputty01, on 06/11/2008, -3/+10The EU have been supporting open source for ages, they even went as far as to tell all the schools (at least in the uk) not to use vista or office '07 due to the whole closed up .docx fiasco. My college actually got some nice new linux computers in the other week, they went down a treat :).
- ShaoKahn, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7Neelie Kroes, a politician from a small country (the Netherlands) doing big things!
- HonoredMule, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7I would back companies like ATI and NVIDIA if they would open source their drivers.
(which you may recall ATI is doing now)
Freedom of information > accessibility of commercial product - djangoxl, on 06/11/2008, -0/+7When Neelie Kroes started to work, I was doubtfull because she was business oriented. But I must say, she is doing a TREMENDOUS job at the EC and is doing all she can to make sure everything is OPEN.
- grexeo, on 06/11/2008, -2/+8That logic is wrong and flawed on so many levels. Ownership makes no difference to your argument whatsoever.
Open Source does not prevent legally-binding commercial guarantees at all. In fact one of the main reasons for the existence of commercial Linux providers such as Redhat, Canonical and Novell are for this very reason. They employ in-house developers to provide fixes in addition to the Open Source community under subscription-based guarantees with their customers. In the context of your argument, they are essentially the enterprise-level equivalent to Microsoft.
So while Microsoft is the only provider of fixes for it's operating system, Linux has multiple commercial providers of fixes in addition to the world-wide open-source community at large. Go figure. - HonoredMule, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6Don't sweat it. ATI's open source drivers are young and immature yet. Your NVIDEA card will probably see the light of proper support sooner than an ATI card would.
- b3n87, on 06/11/2008, -0/+6We sent it in an open format; but you couldn't read it because Windows doesn't support open-ness
- sjmulder, on 06/11/2008, -1/+6Really? I thought many people on digg are well-educated people with good jobs. That sounds to me like the kind of person who's very good for the welfare of the country.
- sol0, on 06/13/2008, -0/+5Turkey ≠ EU
- doctoropensorce, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5Standards are good but not when they are used as a tick box to tie customers in. The real question that should be asked of a vendor is:
What standards do you support AND how does that support give me choice over what software I use at each level in the software stack. Even if you support that standard can I choose which database, application server, portal,content management system, crm system, browser office product I want to use?
The database industry has adopted SQL and ODBC/JDBC. It is these standards that have enabled a database applications to be written once and used against different database systems. This enables choice when the database is first purchased and also choice later if you want to swap out that database for a better or cheaper one.
It is this level of standards support that we need for content to enable enterprises, governments and citizens to have choice today and in the future over the content they want to access. - kmithani, on 06/11/2008, -0/+5This is a great move by Neelie Kroes because it opens creativity and innovation. Microsoft has been trying for years to be the only used software for businesses and governments. Kroes is taking a stand against big corporations and she understands that Web 2.0 has more to offer then Microsoft. Asking companies to use open-source will allow for growth and collaboration. It's good to see that the EU is not caving into capitalism but allowing free expression without corporate ties.
- DivineComedy, on 06/11/2008, -2/+6Communists?! Don't make me laugh.
- seqizz, on 06/11/2008, -0/+4i wish it will not.. i'm from Turkey..
but all of our computers using Micosotf softwares.. i hate this.. - init100, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3"its like wiki"
It is actually *not* like a wiki. Only trusted members of the development team/community are given commit access to the project code repository, while untrusted developers need one of the trusted developers to review their contributions before they can be accepted, or rejected. - geehossiphats, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3"The problem with Linux is no one owns it. When there are problems, there is no one to threaten with a lawsuit"
you can sue M$ for problems???? I suggest you go back and read the M$ EULA that you agreed to when you installed their software. Oh... and OSS fixes are produced and released almost immediately. Unlike M$. - Megatog615, on 06/12/2008, -0/+3/wrists
- DickBreath, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3What do you mean open source will never work?
It works NOW.
How do you define "work" ? Do you mean desktop computer operating systems?
Newsflash: open source is a major force in both servers and embedded systems. Both are areas where Microsoft has never had monopoly power. Interesting.
It is left as an exercise for the reader what will happen as Microsoft's Windows and Office monopolies gradually lose their monopoly grip. - known, on 06/11/2008, -1/+4Open Standards without Open Source is Oxymoron.
- courtjester555, on 06/11/2008, -0/+3Is the commissioner talking about something like ODF vs OOXML? There were a ton of articles on digg relating to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_Open_XML#Criti ... - plizard, on 06/11/2008, -5/+7I would back the use of open source software also if companies like ATI and NVIDIA would open source their drivers.
- Joh739, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2Install a Linux distro on those computers, problem solved :P.
- FunkyWorm, on 06/11/2008, -0/+2How many incidents of this type can you quote in open source code against closed source?
Do you not notice how quickly patch-Tuesday comes around?
The truth is they forked the code inappropriately and there weren't many eyes looking at it. - Feldon, on 06/14/2008, -0/+1I'm Moving to EU.
- Barryke, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1You must be new here.
In other news:
Hope feeds lies.
Mistakes make interest.
Flowers make the rest look bad. - Barryke, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1Its not that Microsoft is wrong, it is that the EU is right in this matter.
I respect MS products, i am just very happy better suited alternatives exist. - Rakunus, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1It should say European commission, not EU.
- brettalton, on 06/16/2008, -0/+1I live in Canada and I'm proud FOR you =P
- known, on 06/17/2008, -0/+1If you are a developer you will know the pain.
- Barryke, on 06/13/2008, -0/+1This would imply they may search any digital data i carry.
Invest in steganography. -
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