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- redhatcat, on 10/12/2007, -15/+59This guy has valid reasons for changing.
Why should he use such a platform when the user community is abusive, snobbish, and unhelpful? Why should he bother creating software to sell for Macs when Apple may clone it without retribution? Why should he buy Apple programs that don't work as well as FOSS alternatives?
I say welcome to the group and enjoy the ride. - estvir, on 10/12/2007, -28/+66> Why should he use such a platform when the user community is abusive, snobbish, and unhelpful?
I'm confused, are you talking about Mac or Linux ? - cremate, on 10/12/2007, -8/+42Mac. The ubuntu community is very helpful. Linux zealots on the hand are just annoying and not what redhatcat is referring to.
- BionicBeefpile, on 10/12/2007, -4/+31You rail on Linux users for acting "elite", then you say "if you are too poor" or "all you do is send emails" then Linux is a good choice, and that such people shouldn't have a "professional" OS.
Pot, kettle, kettle, pot - NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29This is not a "major" Mac website by any stretch of the imagination. These guys weren't even developers, they just sold rather poorly-design icons and themes that looked almost as bad as Windows. They've gotten more attention with their "we're leaving, you all suck" tantrum than they ever got before.
This story is more than lame.
-jcr - Dracker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Ever been to the gentoo forums? They have a wonderful community. Also, linuxquestions.org is friendly and distro-neutral.
- Jangles, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23I am a Mac user and agree a lot of us are snobbish, but there are an equal amount of helpful users. I try to be more helpful than a hindrance. I think a lot of us have gotten a bad name from some apple zealots.
Oh well, hopefully he has fun with Linux. - 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26@Math
The same could be said about the Mac community. Many of us Mac users do not want to be associated with the "Mac fanboy community". Also for the Windows community...
The fact of the matter is:
There will always be zealous users of any OS. Therefore, you can't judge an OS by its users.
Frankly I'm sick of all of these "% switched to linux! % bought a Mac! % users caught installing VISTA!" stories. They are meaningless. - macbwizard, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21I see it more as a PR stunt. Look at all of this publicity.
- chrishavel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You'll save yourself a click by going directly to the source, rather than an undetailed report about the decision to switch:
http://www.bryanobryan.com/?p=28 - xgravix, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16I remember visiting ResExcellence frequently many years ago when I was a mac user, but it turns out that these guys have just recently taken over the site. They aren't the ones behind the ResExcellence of old.
I can definitely sympathize with their opinions about the mac community (I am no longer a Mac user myself, for many similar reasons), but I have to agree this seems like a publicity stunt. - Useless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13The main reason i switched from both mac and windows to Ubuntu was because of the forums. Everyone i have come across on the ubuntu forums has been extremely patient and helpful and now i try to return the favor by helping those who are new to it now. Although i have met some Mac OSx admins who have been very helpful, they are few and far between. Perhaps it is more because not many people deploy mac's on an enterprise level in such great numbers......(Yes, i know there are a few, but i have yet to see any first hand or in my line of work)
- drizek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15I love the sterotype of the abusive linux user. I have never been on a linux forum where anyone was unhelpfull or rude.
Because of hte open nature of linux, linux forums have the potential to offer far more help than windows or mac ones.
For OSX, the answers are basically "just wait for them to update it"
For Windows its "open the calculator, minimize solitaire, cross your fingers, sing the canadian national anthem, spin around in a circle five times and restart your computer."
On a linux forum, you get help from people that know the system inside and out. Everything is so well documented that a simple search in either a forum or a wiki will answer your question. Even if you dont search and ask a redundant question, people are polite and will point you in hte right direction.
Linux users love linux and want to spread linux. Insulting new users is counter productive, and it really is just a myth. Linux forums are probably the friendliest forums in the world. - noahhoward, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17I call publicity stunt too. I have not run into a lot of snobbish users. I have run in to a lot of ignorant people who come off as snobbish but I run into those with Windows and Linux too.
Mac Ignorance: "Mines better because it looks better."
Windows Ignorance: "I have two mouse buttons and I can play games"
Linux ignorance: "Windows are t3h suxxors"
Everyone comes off snobbish but to say there aren't any people willing to help? He mus tnot have bothered looking. - JaceFuse, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12" temporal explosive decapitations... "
I'm interested, how do I switch? - 5thfreedom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11@Jangles
To illustrate your point, a quick glance at the Apple discussion forums show a whole lot of helpful Mac users answering every kind of question about anything Mac related. It is a very useful resource that I have both used and contribute to on a regular basis. - cremate, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18I just have to comment, fireworks is possibly one of the worst and overpriced pieces of software ever. Gimp blows it away, imo. But I agree with some of your other points.
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10http://www.linuxactionshow.com/ (direct link to their podcast)
I have been listening to their podcast for a couple weeks now, they do an excellent show. It was interesting hearing how different the Mac community is. - LegendOfLink, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12"If you want a professional OS that is extremely powerful, has loads of professional software, loads of awesome freeware/shareware apps, is sexy, and is geek compatible flock to OS X. If you are too poor, Linux is the next best choice (errr, I guess)."
Too poor? You're the reason why the ResExcellence guys "switched". Go ahead, you can resume enjoying the smell of your own farts. - kday, on 10/12/2007, -47/+53While the Apple community may be "snobish", the people Linux community think they are more elite because they use Linux. They brag about their free (and crappy) software such as OpenOffice (copy of MS word '97) and The Gimp (buggy, and not a suitable replacement for Photoshop or Fireworks). They try to tell Windows user that Linux is easier to use (not true) and a better operating system (true, if you are talking about the bare bones of the OS). They go on about how easy the installation is (which is true with a lot of distros), but to be honest, most people aren't going to be installing the operating system every day. Normal people want an operating system that just works, noit just a pretty installer. For years, 2 of the major Linux desktop envoronments have been trying to emulate the Windows GUI, and they have been failing for nearly a decade. Linux is a good server OS and a good toy for geeks. That's really all it is.
If you want a professional OS that is extremely powerful, has loads of professional software, loads of awesome freeware/shareware apps, is sexy, and is geek compatible flock to OS X. If you are too poor, Linux is the next best choice (errr, I guess). Only problem is that if you aren't technical and don't know any *nix, you probably aren't going to be able to install any extra applications. If all you do is browse the web and send e-mails, Ubuntu is a good choice. There is no sense in having a professional OS if you aren't going to use any professional Apps/Features. - Stecchino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5By the way, hats off to everyone commenting in this story. Thanks for saving me from my usual morning routine of throwing up after being sick of reading flame after flame after flame.
- DizziD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Wait... there's a "Mac Community"??
I must be missing out... I just get up, turn on my machine, work all day, and turn it off.
I don't really have time to go to the club meetings and be a diva, I guess.
People who have time to pontificate about a specific operating system platform are not having enough sex. - Fluidity, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Me, I'm trying to decide between installing SuSE or Ubuntu so any stories about either are interesting.
- zane411, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8The hype for Ubuntu might be a little much, but you have to understand that this is the first real linux distrobution to get notice. You hear about it every single day no matter where you are. This means big things for linux, which previously was one of those operating systems you only heard about the pale kids using in their mothers basements to program and hack websites with. Ubuntu totes itself as being user friendly, and for the most part it is, the very fact that it will run on both mac and pc is brilliant, giving both types of users the chance to experience linux on their own machine, and see if they like it or not. By no means is it the next big thing, neither will it replace either Mac os or Windows, but it is a fairly decent alternative to those who wish to use something less mainstream and well..free.
- Thataboy, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13If he wants to switch to Linux, more power to him -- it's his choice. However, in my opinion, his reasons for doing so are completely moronic.
The "Apple stole Watson and Konfabulator" thing has been discussed ad nauseum. I thought we had moved past that, with most of us agreeing that there is no proof Apple "stole" anything. EVEN if they did, adapt or die (oh, you choose die? ok then!). If your product is fantastic and differentiated, then you will survive. Apple tends to simplify their products for the masses, so one has great opportunity to offer deluxe versions for power users. In the case of Watson, if he had just stuck it out, he might still have a robust business today as Sherlock killed himself in a fit of guilt.
"Apple users are snobby twits" -- I like how the writer tries to insulate the "get a thicker skin" retort by saying "well I know you'll say I should get a thicker skin, but..." No man, seriously, GET A THICKER SKIN. The reason Apple HAS fanboys and vocal (for better or worse) users is because the Apple experience is a tight community. In any community, there are cool people, helpful saints, and insidiuous biatches. Linux has a tight community too, but jesus on a stick, you don't think a lot of them are extraordinarily snobby????
"Apple software suxx0rrs" -- Uh, somehow I haven't had a problem with iLife 06 crashing. Isn't ResExcellence the theming/skinning modding site (I remember ResEdit from back in the oldddd days when I wanted to do simple things like change an icon)? Ya think MAYBE your mods might cause a bit of system instability? iLife 06 isn't a perfect beast. but I've never had one app crash. EVEN if I did, you switch an OS because iWeb and Garageband are buggy? Errr....
But good luck... you could do a lot worse than Ubuntu. I think the reasons he gives are bogus, but one doesn't need a good (or any) reason to switch. - cmiz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6It's a crapshoot with any platform as to who you'll meet up with when you're looking for assistance. I have a lot of patience and tend to be good at explaining things in clear terms. I do a lot of support for Ubuntu, OS X and Windows. I've found that in the Mac community, the snobby and annoying ones are almost always the least knowledgeable. The ones who really know the system and the hardware tend to be a lot nicer. I would agree that the Mac Zealots really detract a lot from the whole Apple experience, I kinda wish they'd actually learn some stuff...
- planet0x, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The very latest "Linux Action Show" podcast gets into the details.
- kwojniak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6And naming an OS from a red fruit or a piece of glass in your wall is any better? :)
- Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"You hear about it every single day no matter where you are."
I'm a linux user and I wish this were true, but it isn't. Every day it seems that I run into people that make no distinction between Windows and a computer, they have no notion of an 'operating system.' I really believe that we should focus on bringing Ubuntu to the layperson, rather than beating technical people over the head with it. - drn666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4""I've been making my living as Mac-specific developer for several years now... I was a true Mac die-hard," stated Bryan. "But the Macintosh community, with its bad attitudes and diva-esque nature, rained on my parade. Sure there were other reasons why I switched. But that was the tipping point.""
Yes - because the Linux community, with their "RTFM you n00bzor" attitude is -so- much more tolerable. - thebman990, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Apple and Google introduce new server platform that runs Ubuntu and supports Ruby on Rails and AJAX"
I'm guessing that one would get approx. 10000 diggs. - buglord, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I moved from Linux to OSX and at first I was extremely happy with the switch. But now, after 4 years with a Mac, the little nags have just been accumulating.
For one thing, X11 integration is awful. Java development is a pain. The iMacG5 is way too loud. Properly deinstalling software is still not easy. The iApps suite and the iPod leave little room for non-Apple solutions (non-iSight in iChat, for example). And the hardware, let's face it, is sold at a premium price.
For the last few weeks I have been considering switching back to Linux. For most of the power users, developers and whatnot, there is little advantage to using OSX. Very sexy, but little additional bang for the buck. And no, Exposé did not increase my productivity 100%
But I'd still recommend the Mac to any casual or average computer user. It's just not worth it if you hack your way around computers, IMHO. - serpicolugnut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3So, let me get this straight. Dude takes over ResExcellence site, a place for Mac users to customize their desktop/GUI/etc. Dude switches to Linux, and relaunches ResExcellence as a place for Linux users to make their desktop look more like a Mac. Does that about sum it up?
ResExcellence has become a waste land since the hand off, so I can't say that I'm sad about this. As for losing a Mac user to Linux, I can't say I'm sad about that either. Bryan's reasons are lame, in my opinion, but they are his reasons, so I say good luck and have fun with Ubuntu. I like Ubuntu, and it shows a lot of promise, but it can't hold a candle to the quality of OS X. If you think the quality of Apple's apps is lacking, have fun with many of those half baked OSS solutions. - lorus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have a love/hate relationship with Linux. I love installing it. I love using a new distro with how great it's laid out, how fast etc. I feel free! I feel like I'm saving money! Then I try to use my wireless card. Then I try to plug in a scanner. Then I try to plug in my camera. Then I try to change my screen resolution. Then I try to install a browser plugin and have to type some junk at the command line. They I try playing a DVD...
Ugh. Big ass thick brick wall shoots up, "you didn't actually think you could use your computer right away once Linux was on it? You still have to mush the dough and wait for it to rise, even if it takes months." Weeks later, most things are figured out (minus scanner and wireless), but by then I'm so frustrated and bored with reading FAQs, that OS X or Windows (depending on which computer) goes right back on.
Of course, after that, I fall in love again with the commercial software I bought because it's great to begin with (Live, StuffIT, iWork, SuperDuper), and I get right back to creating. The linux memory fades like that of an annual flu. - symmetry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Don't know about Ubunto but I've just installed SuSE 9.3 and I am mightily impressed. As a life-long windows user, I find a lot of thing actually EASIER to do in suse. Want a web server? Click the http server button in YaST and bingo - Apache2 is installed and working. I also installed the whole OS from a 50MB file, all it needed was the ftp details of one of the many suse mirrors and off it went. Genius.
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 You can go to any forum for any OS and come across arrogant people who go out of their way to post "Did you try search??!?!". They seem to love to bully novice users for some reason, I on the other hand gladly help with whatever I can, even if it is "What's a mouse?".
It's not the OS it's the people, there's always going to be "that guy" on message forums, digg seems to attract more than a few of them too! - kdehead, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6or naming an OS, "OS" , as in OS X
wow. thats inventive and err.. cutting edge. - Blazeix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Not at all. Ubuntu correctly detected my 1920x1200 resolution when I installed the display driver. Your friend probably has an incorrect driver.
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Considering a lot of mac users are designers and that designers in general have very high standards wouldn't you be setting yourself up for criticism when writing apps for OS X? Before you say that's no excuse, it is since you are taught to be critical, with your work as well as others. this case really isn't that bad, my tutors are worse they can be harsh ("what the ***** is this *****, you aren't in kindergarten anymore", is a favorite) and not care at all, if they don't like something (something you've spent days on) they will physically rip it to shreds and tell you what you should be doing to get a better result. Even when you do a great job there is always a negative comment.
- cope, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4by default it does..
you have to edit (from memory)
/etc/X11/xorg.conf
theres a whole bunch of display lines and resolutions,
eg:
16 "1024x768" "800x600"
24 "1024x768" "800x600"
just add whatever resolution you want infront of that.
so mine looks like
"1280x1024"
then restart, and bingo.. - jim215, on 10/12/2007, -5/+7i used to love resex but since these guys took over it went down hill...taking down most of the content with it never to return is kind of weak. no matter what you do or where you do it or who you do it for there will always be criticism.
- rense, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Looks like they installed a Wiki, started adding content and got pwned by all the negative response. There isn't much left, really. Luckily, all the old stuff can still be found here: http://www.resexcellence.com/indexold.shtml
- jonahan52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2zane411 == snobbish linux user
cope == helpful linux user
See you get them in linux too!! - sbutcher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i say test the suse/ubuntu live cds and see which one is better at interacting with your devices
next you want to check which one has a better documentation and support forum, because thats where you will spend some time. it's fun though :O) - gookie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3To answer your question: Yes it supports resolution higher than XGA (1024x768). Go to the support forum ( ubuntuforums.org ) to get help.
- Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"ResExcellence.com, a popular Macintosh website"
I've got a Mac (and many PCs). I'm not a zealot by any stretch of the imagination, but I do keep up on Mac related news. I've NEVER HEARD of "ResExcellence.com". Calling them a "popular Macintosh website" seems like a bit of an exaggeration to me... - zane411, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3That's your driver configuration for your video card or monitor. If you were to properly setup your display settings this would remedy it. Its not that difficult either, there are plenty of guides on the net just google, or go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for great support. One of the people there will be able to talk you through it.
- zane411, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Some people can be like that. But usually there are a handful of guys who hangout in the channels to help you out. A lot of them however will simply direct you to proper documentation rather then holding your hand all the way through, its the only way to learn.
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