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- unexpected, on 10/12/2007, -3/+25Same reason we have ATM machines and PIN numbers.
- senfo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Before you pass judgment, take a look at what each piece of software does. Many *nix developers design software to do one job and to do that job well. This design pattern allows for developers to focus on a smaller piece of a larger project. With interoperability in mind, these small pieces combine to interact as a single unit.
It's likely that if you looked at the source code for a proprietary application that you would observe a similar breakdown of functionality into modules; however, software vendors most generally package the modules into a single unit; thus hiding the modularization; however, giving the end users less of a choice when it comes to which modules to use. *nix developers simply avoid (when possible) forcing their applications to work only with their modules. This gives end users the option to substitute one module for another if, for example, another module exists that accomplishes the goal better.
Both design patterns have their advantages and drawbacks. A proprietary application *might* be a little easier to use "out of the box", whereas a modularized suite *might* provide more freedom. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18On a related note, everyone go check out Diva. It's intended to be the iMovie for Linux, and it looks *really* promising.
Here are some screencasts:
(Xvid) http://files.diva-project.org/demos/diva001_3.avi
(MPEG 4) http://files.diva-project.org/demos/diva001_3.mp4
Check out more videos here: http://www.diva-project.org/wiki/Screenshots
Media creation on Linux has a promising future, given the impending releases of Diva, PiTiVi, Jokosher. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Oh, and I forgot to mention Elisa, a Front Row-ish app for Linux; screencast here: http://www.fluendo.com/elisa/screencast.php
- Hydroxyl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Nice spam.
If you're gonna do it, do it right.
http://www.dictionary.com/ - jobigoud, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Errr... Wait a minute, no mention of Jahshaka ??
http://www.jahshaka.org/ - taotehue, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9The Flash 9 plugin for your browser is free software. There is no need to download Flash itself to do what the article is talking about.
- misterjangles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@taotehue You can say that Flash is "free" because you don't have to pay for it. That is the "free as in beer" analogy used by Stallman. But, you shouldn't confuse that with "free as in freedom" meaning which is what open source is usually about.
FOSS software in the open source context refers to your ability to inspect and re-use the code. - nipuL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I agree, I've been looking for software that provides the functionality that some of these applications have. Too late at night to play around right now, but will definitely be looking into it on the weekend.
Been having a lot of VHS to DVD conversion requests at work. Currently using a copy of Ulead DVD Creator that I found out the back of the workshop.....I can't believe people pay for that crap.
Give me FREE crap any day. - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm not sure what some people's problems are with Linux software. No one is holding a gun to your head to use it. I'm a Mac guy so it doesn't particularily interest me since I have Final Cut Express, but from the screen shots it looks to have most of the functionality of FCP/FCE or the Avid Suite. Granted, most of the packages don't work together seamlessly, but we have different people working on different parts. If it does the job and is free (or nearly so), what's the beef?
Many times students or directors just starting out need to spend their limited cash on the equipment and personnel required to just shoot their vision. So editing software is an afterthought. Bravo to OSS for providing a no-cost/low-cost solution.
This obsession that everyone MUST use what you prefer is kinda sad. - Cbaar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Nice list. I always wondered if there was something like dvd::rip and Cinelerra. Thanks!
@lassel: Do you do video editing on a regular basis? I for myself just do sound (from Music Cassette to Compact Disc), and use Audacity for digital recording. It handles the large amounts of data (0.5 hour recording is normal) I work with pretty well and has just the right amount of functionality; it is very slim, too. - collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sod that, some of us don't live in the USA, and couldn't care less about crappy laws that are probably illegal in our own countries.
- aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3All I can say is Linux needs to attract some closed source consumer/prosumer level multimedia applications if they want to succeed on the desktop.
You may think I'm trolling but recall that Shake being available on Linux put it on the map for hollywood film post production.
The GPL fascists need to chill and stop putting road blocks to software development on linux. There should be room for both closed and open source software on desktop linux.
Seriously folks, if you guys don't drop the attitude, OS X will garner the vast majority of defectors from windows as its community is tolerant of both development models.
Even as a Mac user, I would rather see a 1/3 split rather than see one monopoly replaced by another. - UberGeekGamer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I was just about to say that
Jahshaka is a great program and it runs under all OS's not just Linux - t3st3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@DaveV
> I would rather not use crap, even if I have to pay for it. I care about quality.
Then, come on, pay for Windows, Adobe Premiere, DVD authoring software, etc and stop bothering others.As for me, it's costs too much to pay such decent amount of moneys just for fun.I'm willing to pay so much only if I'm about to become video editing professional so it will be worth spending moneys.Hey, wait a bit!Professional also needs powerful workstation priced $XXXX and up, etc.But I'm really do not want to become a professional video editor so it is just waste of moneys.What I want is to rarely create DVD of average quality for my friends with home-made videos, etc.I'm pretty sure it can be done without paying for Adobe's overbloated software and hardcore video-editing workstation.And I'm surely can spend saved moneys on something more interesting for me than megabytes of Adobe's bloated code :) - regeya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This story highlights one of the things I don't like about linux.com stories, because I think everything should be titled 'how to do [X] the hard way with 50 individual pieces of software."
True, you still end up doing everything with many pieces of software, but hey, if you're a mom or dad with a camcorder and just want a DVD of the kidlet drooling on your carpet, use Kino to edit and transcode, and maybe burn it to disc with k3b. If you want to get a teensy bit more complicated with the DVD, add DVD Styler to the mix. Want to convert videos to DVD without a lot of fuss? Hopefully your Free OS has dependency handling and has tovid as an available package, because it makes transcoding Intarweb videos and building decent DVD menus dead simple.
Now, I realize all those have about a gazillion deps, but if you're using a modern Linux distribution or one of the BSDs, you have dependency handling, and all those depend on software that's been around a while and has a pretty large and devoted developer base. - seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@davev
What you're saying doesn't really make sense. Somebody using, say, OO.o will certainly not open up a terminal and use sed to make changes to their document. The tool you use depends on what you are trying to do. Sed and awk are programs that are meant to be part of a script, and they serve their purpose very well. Perl is a programming language that excels at text manipulation. It serves its purpose very well. OO.o is an office suite designed for regular office people (not unix admins or programmers) to use while at work. It works pretty well. Those are 3 very different things there, with 3 very different purposes.
Now, lets look at how things are set up in the video editing arena. I'll keep this simple, because I don't think I need to go over all of those listed to make a point.
Cinellera: a video editor. It provides the interface to cut up your video and add transitions, composites, etc.
MEncoder: a video encoder. You use it to take a video file and encode it into something else, such as taking an uncompressed quicktime file (great for editing high quality video) and turning it into a mpeg2 at 720x48x30fps (dvd quality video, depending on the bitrate).
Kino: A nice little tool to pull the video off of your camera.
Now, these are 3different tools that do different things, but in the same arena: Making movies. One of the great strengths of the "unix" way of doing things, is that they are somewhat seprerate (you can use mencoder from within cinellera). If one of them sucks, or a better tool comes out, you can just swap it out.
Got a renderfarm? Cool, just write a quick script that takes all of the video on a network share and use mencoder to turn it all into a common format. Or, just use mencoder to encode your kids soccer game. It really does scale that well.
Hate Cinellera's interface? Your not the only one. Use something else to edit your video, and keep using the other tools to do their jobs.
All this adds a small layer of complexity, but overall its a great way to get things done. You could get the code to all 3 programs, and turn them into one "suite" of software, but then you'd be SOL when something new came out to replace one of the components. - t3st3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What a smart dude.Go on and continue to code for your (mega)corporation owning you, duh.And remember that you probably has signed contract saying all code is (c) not you but your corporation anyway and once it closed-source you never can reuse it for YOU legally.So, lots of programmers do not like this way of life.Is this strange?
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well said ari. The problem seems to be that many people are intolerant of choices made for both hardware and software. If you aren't using what they use, then you're a moron. While the Mac community certainly has its fair share of these (a holdover from the days when things were none too bright for Apple), there are just as many if not more from other platforms as well. Windows and Linux have their zealots and fanboys that typically come into threads screaming this or that about how anyone using product x is an idiot because THEY use product y and it is SO superior.
I generally pass those comments by as they add nothing to the thread. I DO comment of the so-called "anti-trolls" because they deserve nothing but contempt. Especially here on digg, where it's easy to block subjects that don't interest you. It amazes me the amount of time and effort these people spend on topics they know nothing about or they don't use. - t3st3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Duh, in comments to article on original site some lame ass compares all this with Windows Movie Maker.Actually, tested this lame MovieMaker it and I was not able to use it to create DVD.It can produce dumb VMW files I do not need at all or oversized AVI with stupid settings at very best.So, what is easy way to create my own DVD under Windows?
Assuming I'm want to convert video from www like FLV and SWF, few DivX AVIs, few .mpg mpeg 1 and mpeg 2 files, I want to do some non-linear editing, add subtitles and put it to DVD.What will be under Windows then?How much programs, codecs, etc I have to install?And how many it will cost to me? - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well first, for those who didn't realize it, my comment was "over the top" sarcasm.
Where did you get the idea that I'm working for a mega corporation? I just want to make a living as a programmer, so I can spend my spare time on something else than programming, is that "evil" by your standards?
I'm all for open-source software, it's the "all software should be free" dogma that I'm worrying about. I'm just trying to raise the issue that if all programs were free, programmers wouldn't be paid for their work and would be forced to take jobs that they don't like, and work on this free software in their spare time.
Software has the particularity of being reproducible an infinite number of times. Developing nations, poor people etc. should have access to free software, I have nothing against that, it's a good thing. But we should find a way to have programmers paid for their work, while keeping the software free (or cheap). Maybe that would require major change in the capitalist structure of society, but these issues should be at least discussed instead of being swept under the rug by most FOSS advocates.
Many FOSS advocates never wrote more than 3 lines of codes in their lives, yet many seem to think that programming is always easy and fun for the geeks that coded their free-software. "If they can do it for free, why should we pay them" is the kind of reasoning some seem to have. I'm sure many programmers working on FOSS projects wouldn't mind being paid to do it, but they don't say it because they would be automatically labeled as siding with greedy mega corporations. (just like you did)
"Thank you dude!" and "you're the greatest!" don't pay the rent... - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1wrong thread...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6AFAIK Free and Open Source are NOT synonyms. At least is what Richard Beggar Stallman always babbles about.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You made a point here. By relying on OSS one also relies on the community's good will to keep a project up and running.
I wonder the amount of discontinued OSS projects, and the amount of "customers" left behind... - seuaniu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@nipul:
If your looking for a decent video suite on windows, Check out Sony Vegas. They have a trial version, for free download, and the output is great. The encoder seems a bit slow, but could be worse (pinnacle).
I'm stuck using ulead for import since it came with the USB hardware encoder I bought, but I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole for editing. My $.02 - inkubux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2mandvd is also a pretty great app
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38347 - yenster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Everything there runs on Fedora as well, so I'll bet you can get it to work on Ubuntu. Elive just makes it easier to not have to hunt down all the individual pieces and bits, and possibly saves you from having to compile an app. I've got other interesting vid production stuff running on Fedora as well that he doesn't mention, like avidemux2 and QDVDauthor.
- collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2They are likely to run on most distibutions.
Your best bet is to enable the universe and multiverse repositories in Ubuntu and look in there. If they aren't you might have to compile from source which can be a pain. (Sorry not at an Ubuntu box to check if the packages are available). - dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Thanks for the info. That indeed looks good. Now is it packaged for SUSE ? Let's find out.
- wwwdot1jesdotus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Anybody have a working mirror?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I hope this article just isn't pipe smoking propaganda. I will read it this weekend.
Last year I set out to watch and convert some vhs tapes to dvd with linux..........without a television. After a lot of work I did manage to hook up an old video recorder from a friends junk pile to my computer and I was able to watch videos on my computer.
The task of transferring the vhs to dvds looked like a part time job. I will read this article and see if new software has come out since then that lets people who do not want to make this do this sort of thing - Ssullivan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's why you go to work for a company like Red Hat or Novell. They make their money on support so they can pay their employees. Also the Linux kernel developers frequently get large donations from companies such as IBM and HP.
- diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6right...digg me down for spreading information, that'll teach me
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@senfo:
The only problem is that design pattern does not work well for all things. Lets take a look at text processing to make things clearer.
*nix has CLI tools such as vi, troff, sed, awk, perl, etc. for processing text files. That is really good for automated mass changes. It is good for filtering though text files for specific information. It is really good for for things that do not require being able to see what is happening as it is happening.
But, *nix also has wysiwyg text editors for when one wants to create a fancy format. It has desktop publishing software for very complex print layouts. The wysiwyg editor may be broken down into modules that work like, or even use, the standard *nix tools, but the modules are designed to interoperate and using the wysiwyg software to do the task it was designed for is almost always easier than using the CLI tools. - slapout, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1If you're interested in video editing on Linux, you might also want to check out esp. 31 of the Linux Reality Podcast: http://www.linuxreality.com/podcast/episode-31-pat-davila-on-an-introduction-to-video-editing-with-kino/
- DJosephDesign, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1At first, I was excited about this, Especially dvd::rip, but then I was disappointed that almost everything listed is Linux-only.
I've tried Linux and it's cool. But does the linked solution work *only* with Elive, or would they also work with another Linux distro like Ubuntu? - RuddO, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5Plus advocating the use of w32codecs is not exactly kosher
- mugenkeiji, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0I run a firewall, but only to prevent cracked applications phoning home :) Otherwise, I've not once had a virus or trojan, a malware or adware infection, and so on. I tend to be distrustful of linux zealots who once ran Windows and suffered all of those problems, and yet claim expertise nevertheless.
- koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3It's going to be. Part of it, anyway.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Adobe_and_Mozilla_Foundation_to_Open_Source_Flash_Player_Scripting_Engine - dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2It's a pattern on linux digg articles anyway. There is usually more info in the comments than on the article itself...
- collywolly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I take it you have never had to install firewall or had any malware, antivirus problems on your Windows box. Or ever suffered from Windows rot, from the crappy registry being clogged up.
No myriad of problems there...... - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3*sigh*
the actionscript interpreter is open source (and will be integrated into Mozilla), but the flash plugin is *not*. Thus flash 9 is not free software! - pufuwozu, on 10/12/2007, -12/+8Inaccurate, Flash 9 is not open source.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1D'oh!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Here is the problem with Linux all over again. NINE pieces of software to accomplish one task. Mac has iMovie, PC has Adobe. You stick in a cd, run setup.exe and you're done. Start makin your movie. Someone above posted "On a related note, everyone go check out Diva. It's intended to be the iMovie for Linux, and it looks *really* promising."
That's the problem though. There are many apps that look really good at start, but then go nowhere because developer interest drops off. - taotehue, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Well, when I downloaded the plugin for my mozilla browser, I didn't pay a dime. (yes that is flash 9 plugin) you can get it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/plugins/
It may be true that it isn't an open source software, but it is freeware, and the only thing that your using it for it is to play the flash in your browser - not to edit anything.'
Flash 9 plugin is free. - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Yeah, another way to avoid paying those greedy programmers!
These wimpy programmers should work lifting boxes in shops like we do and provide us with free software that they build in their spare time! After all, they like programming, why should we pay them for that? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2@nipuL:
I would rather not use crap, even if I have to pay for it. I care about quality.
But, hey, that is just me. If you want to use crap, be my guest. - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2um...you mean the flash 9 plugin for your browser is *not* free software?
- mugenkeiji, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1a) Learn to use FOSS with the myriad of problems, caveats and deficiencies that usually beset such software
b) Crook at an eyebrow at option a), download the best commercial package, and crack it. -
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