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- alex7575, on 08/09/2009, -7/+822009 is the ear of the Linux!!!
- hDJgangsta, on 08/09/2009, -2/+40There are easier ways to do most everything in Linux, but online tutorials often give the command line version because it's simpler to copy and paste than describe the steps of a GUI.
- cmost, on 08/09/2009, -3/+33Obviously you've been living under a rock for the past ten years. Linux is just as user friendly as Windows or Mac while being light years ahead in security and stability.
- codenamepenryn, on 08/09/2009, -14/+39Dugg for use of: automagically
- tamman2000, on 08/09/2009, -3/+25What isn't usable in Ubuntu?
It's different from other OS's, but just as usable. In fact, I prefer ubuntu to mac in usability, but, I have been using ubuntu longer than I have been using mac, so this is no surprise.... - wisam, on 08/09/2009, -2/+22That's because you're installing a piece of software from a third party repository.
When it hits Ubuntu's official repository, it'll be one command-line step or few clicks.
If you don't like it, just keep using your OS and keep pressing Next.
Apparently, millions are happy with Linux. - ArthurSucks, on 08/09/2009, -1/+20Really? Usability? The OS that installs with no effort on my PC and installing my favourite applications only takes a few clicks needs to work on Usability?
- mgbuddy, on 08/09/2009, -0/+19No, it's not.... It's simply an automatic pulseaudio volume manager. Not that pulseaudio is amazing btw...
- jdutil, on 08/09/2009, -0/+17Your not forced to use the command line for anything it is just easier to explain a command or two in the terminal than the 5+ steps to use a gui. As for flash it works great, but like OrangeTide said any problems your having are Adobe's fault not Linux
- dcherryholmes, on 08/09/2009, -1/+18I've been using linux on my desktop for a long time, and in general it's gotten better and better over the years. But sound sucks now worse than it did in 2000. I agree that I wish "they" would spend more time getting the basic functionality *back*, rather than spiffy but superfluous features. I know it's free software and I'm not taking that for granted..... just saying.
- Flamekebab, on 08/10/2009, -0/+17*whoosh*
- NotSarcasm, on 08/09/2009, -2/+17That might sound *****, and they have the same application on the iPhone, but instead of six command lines, it's $5.99.
- Queue29, on 08/09/2009, -11/+25Oh for ***** sake. Not another GODAMN AUDIO LAYER
- OrangeTide, on 08/09/2009, -0/+13Then call up Adobe and complain. Their bad Flash support is entirely their fault and their problem. (I say so because they do not give us source or fix their bugs). Hopefully Flash will die over the next few years and we won't have to suffer with it for much longer.
- techdever, on 08/10/2009, -1/+14Does earwax count as earcandy?
- cmost, on 08/09/2009, -1/+13I tried it and found it to be primitive and lacking user-friendliness. I'll stick to the PulseAudio volume control applet.
- pklall, on 08/09/2009, -0/+12A hardcore linux user would just use a terminal + keyboard shortcuts
- archiesteel, on 08/09/2009, -1/+13"The new KDE might be nice and all but Linux is no more "user friendly" than Windows"
Actually, putting complete computer newbies in front of Windows and Ubuntu, you'll see that most of them have an easier time finding their way around Ubuntu.
And when something goes wrong in *any* OS they all pretty much suck. Fortunately the infinite wisdom of Google holds all the answers. - inactive, on 08/09/2009, -2/+13you are special because you know crossfading.
- antdude, on 08/09/2009, -2/+12http://rorr.im/digg.com/linux_unix/earcandy_is_the ...
- smotpoker, on 08/09/2009, -3/+12"Fix the holes in the drywall before you hang pictures."
You want the landscapers to wait on the dry-wall people why exactly? - OrangeTide, on 08/09/2009, -2/+11we're on the third overhaul of the audio system in Linux. It's not a simple problem to solve because it is mostly political and not technical. Various people take turns rewriting and redesigning the same component and force and argue their way into the kernel and various distros. And frankly the caliber of people who rewrite audio aren't the same caliber of people who do filesystems, schedulers, and graphics acceleration.
- Flamekebab, on 08/10/2009, -0/+9So what you're saying is that a developer working on something that interests them and releasing it for free should just not release any of their code until other developers have solved all the other issues with sound?
Why should they not be allowed to work on what they feel like working on? How do you know this developer is even capable or interested enough to do a good job on more low-level stuff in the sound sub-system?
There's several decent sound APIs, currently work is being done to bridge them together to create something more unified, if I've understood the situation correctly.
Sadly I'm no expert, nor am I a coder, but from what I understand the different sound sub-systems have their own applications. JACK for example was chosen for Open Movie Editor because it is most appropriate for the tasks required by the program.
It would be wonderful if by stopping work on other things the sound sub-system would magically get fixed, but that's not how it works and to think that's the way things are is simply naïve. - freeforall079, on 08/10/2009, -0/+8Mirrors:
http://rorr.im/digg.com/linux_unix/earcandy_is_the ...
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:f-NjoCoBSIoJ:u ...
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evqME-Pm6uo
PPA:
https://launchpad.net/%7Eflimm/+archive/ppa - Flamekebab, on 08/10/2009, -0/+8cycle709 - how do you know that someone who can code this can fix more low-level issues?
I'm no coder, but I would have thought the coding involved in creating this kind of pseudo-layer is nowhere near as complex as the work that would be required to create a unified, universally accepted audio sub-system. - archiesteel, on 08/09/2009, -0/+8No. You simply wait until it's in the official repository.
How do you install Windows software when it's not yet released? This is the difference between Linux and Windows: Linux gives you access to the software *before* it's officially released, but if you're a novice user it's better if you wait for it to be part of the distribution. With Windows, you don't have a choice: you wait until it's officially released before you use it, period. - ironhide, on 08/09/2009, -0/+8"but don't force people to use it."
Twiz, when is the last time you used Linux? I've got PCLinuxOS running on my 2nd machine and haven't touched the command line at all in the 3 months since I installed it. - archiesteel, on 08/09/2009, -1/+9"It's great to have that OPTION.. but don't force people to use it."
...which is exactly what you have in Linux. You don't *have* to use it, but it's there in case you want to.
And I think jdutil's point is that it's a lot easier to explain to someone over the phone how to enter a command than to describe to them how to do it visually - and believe me, a lot of technical support (even among familiy and friends) is done over the phone.
Oh, and Flash works great in Linux. Seriously, get with the times, man. - 42Vindictive, on 08/09/2009, -2/+9Methinks someone doesn't know what 'crossfade' means.
- thevoiceless, on 08/10/2009, -0/+7@techdever
That's thanks to Intel, so while it does technically hamper usability for those people with Intel cards, it's not due to any fault with Ubuntu. - nicko68, on 08/09/2009, -1/+8I would just hang pictures over the holes in the drywall personally.
- DreadBlog, on 08/09/2009, -1/+8http://rorr.im
- Hello1024, on 08/10/2009, -0/+7I want the computer to use the Mic to know when I'm talking and when I am, quieten down any music etc.
If it could recognise a phone call, conversation, or other noise and turn the volume of my music down and turn other sounds (like web ads) off that would be great. It should also turn the volume down when there is other sound like a TV. There should be a hotkey to turn back on the sound even though there isn't silence, in case for instance you wanted to voice over a photo slideshow with music or something.
If I've got time I might implement this, but I can see it as a challenge since the software would have to separate useful sounds (like a conversation) from non useful sounds (like me typing on the keyboard), and separate both of those from the sound it is currently playing. If you're interested in helping reply to this comment. - ArthurSucks, on 08/10/2009, -0/+7Please install Windows Installer ... Application requires Dot.net ... Dot.net update required ... now for your serial number ...
That's hell right there, and it's MUCH harder in Windows because each step you gotta restart. - smotpoker, on 08/10/2009, -0/+7Exactly, Flamekebab. Most people's sound problems are the result of lacking or buggy drivers due to vendor refusal to provide or cooperate with driver development. Sound driver issues/development typically require a fair amount of knowledge of not only kernel programming but the ALSA subsystem itself and the details of how specific sound cards function. OSes and software use a layered/modular development approach specifically so that user-level developers won't be burdened with having to learn the details of such things and focus on what projects they want or need to handle.
Noone would tell foobar2k developers to wait on or help develop a few [better] windows drivers when 90+% work fine out of the box, I don't see why they should expect Earcandy developers to. In fact there are tons more unsupported sound cards in Vista/7 than Linux if you count cards more than a couple of years old but I don't see anyone demanding demands for windows audio app developers to develop them.
Why is it that when making profits is primary concern developers get completely excused for just about anything but when it is about producing a quality product for the community and following your passions nothing is ever good enough? - thevoiceless, on 08/10/2009, -1/+7@Slumper
I think the main issue is that a lot of people don't actually have issues with sound (personally, I haven't ever had a problem with it all the way back to Dapper in 2006) but your comment made it out to be a huge, widespread, everyone-is-affected kind of problem, and it's really not. Even so, at least from what I've seen on the forums and in IRC, it usually seems to be a driver issue rather than an ALSA/PulseAudio/etc issue. - archiesteel, on 08/10/2009, -0/+6twitz: simple solution. If you're not an advanced Linux user, *don't* install stuff that's not in the repos, it's as simple as that.
In fact, I consider myself a Linux guru (okay, a sub-guru), and I no longer install stuff that's not in the Ubuntu repositories. And you know what? I don't miss it one bit!! - tbob19, on 08/09/2009, -1/+7It is not in Vista as far as I know.
It works well in Win7 though, nice to be able to just receive calls on Skype and have it automatically turn down my music. - geoboy, on 08/10/2009, -0/+6Torvalds casts magic missile.
- Moralogic, on 08/09/2009, -1/+7I was going to say, I have a huge painting to cover most of the holes, I don't know about you.
- freeforall079, on 08/10/2009, -0/+6http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:f-NjoCoBSIoJ:u ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evqME-Pm6uo
PPA
https://launchpad.net/~flimm/+archive/ppa - thePTS, on 08/09/2009, -0/+6I would have to agree. Sound really, really needs to be in place..
- archiesteel, on 08/09/2009, -0/+6I don't know about you guys, but my audio works very well on my Linux box. What are you complaining about, exactly?
- weeFred, on 08/09/2009, -3/+8What endless tinkering would this be? Locating the song you want to listen to? Pressing play?
- palehorse864, on 08/09/2009, -1/+6Great too if the music you're listening to is on youtube.
Original: probably best to view it first before viewing the music remix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtUhpwGMHUs&fea ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDu7YJ1FX7A%22 - twiztidsinz, on 08/09/2009, -2/+7Windows 7 (RC) has:
Right Click the Volume Control icon -> Open Volume Mixer -> Communications
Windows can automatically adjust the volume of different sounds when you are using your PC to place or receive telephone calls.
When Windows detects communications actively:
O Mute all other sounds
O Reduce the volume of other sounds by 80%
O Reduce the volume of other sounds by 50%
O Do nothing
But I'm not sure what qualifies as 'communications' or if it's customizable, and I'm not sure if this is in Vista or not. - Flamekebab, on 08/10/2009, -0/+5Crossfading isn't mixing audio together, it's lowering the volume of one audio stream whilst raising the volume of another resulting in a smooth transition. Without crossfading the first audio stream comes to an abrupt halt.
- thevoiceless, on 08/10/2009, -0/+5If something isn't in the default repositories, it's not like you have to jump through flaming hoops to add a new one. Not only that, but then you don't have to worry about constantly seeing if a program has updated (although most do that on their own nowadays). At the very least, even if there isn't a repository, there will almost always be a .deb file that is no harder to install than using an .exe (maybe even easier, because you don't have to click through to choose where the files will be installed and all that).
- theseaweedking, on 08/09/2009, -2/+7You do if you're an open source developer.
- archiesteel, on 08/09/2009, -0/+5"not too many millions"
Just enough millions. -
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