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- schestowitz, on 01/19/2008, -7/+54Finally a KDE 4 review-ish that doesn't criticise it for being a early release. It also shows how pretty the desktop has become.
- oobuntu, on 01/19/2008, -1/+20There's a difference between the Microsoft/Apple corporate machine telling users what they want, and Open Source being made by the users with no barriers to modification.
- UKsHaDoW, on 01/19/2008, -3/+21How long has kde4 been out?
- rockmanac, on 01/19/2008, -11/+26I'm still not entirely a fan of KDE4. I've done some playing around with it on one of my systems and I was thoroughly unimpressed by the fact I couldn't shrink the size of the taskbar or text on the clock.... Plus, in their default mode, the taskbar and icons are freakishly huge! (at least on my system anyway)
- sx66gns, on 01/19/2008, -4/+17Ahhh , I see what you did there , how about?
"Winblows Vistasuck with Service pack BSOD"
lol , you see what I did there? hehehe it's amazing how clever you and I are. - kingofpenguins, on 01/19/2008, -3/+16If users do not like the current state of Plasma, then wait until 4.1 or 4.2, when Plasma will be much more feature complete. Everyone knows that the Plasma GUI is currently incomplete, and these kinds of comments only discourage the developers and other users.
Am I saying that KDE 4.0 in it's current state is complete enough for everyone? No. Do I use it? Yes. Why? Because the current state of Plasma and the missing KDEpim does not bother me. But for those who do, don't go around saying that "I don't like KDE4 because the panel/kicker thingy is not customizable". There is so much more to KDE4 than 4.0. - SeBBBe, on 01/19/2008, -2/+15If you think Windows is even comparable to Linux when it comes to customization, you clearly have never customized Linux...
- jellygraph, on 01/19/2008, -3/+12Try listening to the recent Linux Action Show podcast review of it. Best and fairest I've heard/read so far.
- pcghost, on 01/19/2008, -0/+8I don't know why you were dugg down. That review was spot-on. LAS FTW.
- jjmckay, on 01/19/2008, -0/+8The article says "mainstream Linux desktop manager" but KDE4 is not a just for Linux! It's for unix too, and KDE4 is supposed to have a Windows release as well. The article comes across as a bit biased to me because he seems to love to throw the 'Linux' word around. I'm excited about KDE4 though.
Windows, macos,linux,unix,amigados, bsd, atari 8bit dos, GEM, TOS, beos.. There I got some of my OS fanboyism out. - ralph123, on 01/19/2008, -3/+10Jesus H. Christ. These complains had even been addressed before the release of KDE4.0.
The developers wrote about a hundred thousand blog posts and announcements explaining that the panel (and all the complaints mentioned are all related to this) is far from finished but that they would go ahead with the release non the less.
Now, after you read their reasons for releasing despite the unfinished panel, please feel free to disagree with their reasons but for the love of god, don't keep complaining over and over and over and over and over and over and over again about something that everyone involved knew would not be finished by the time of release. - picpak, on 01/19/2008, -1/+8Well, of course it is when he keeps taking screenshots of GTK apps. It would look nicer if there were screenshots of Konqueror rather than Firefox.
KDE4 looks fine to me, except for that pointless gap between the Maximize and Close buttons. It's torture to those of us who take those buttons for granted. - estvir, on 01/19/2008, -11/+17So, what has been taken to rectify these complaints? I mean, it seems they've been heard a million times so they must be old complaints and that's a fair few..
- crazybrit, on 01/19/2008, -1/+7I was pretty damn impressed, but of course it's not perfect, and it's the little imperfections you tend to notice. But then again, Mac OS X was perfect from the get-go, right?
- thetaco82, on 01/19/2008, -0/+6I tried KDE 4 today, but after 45 minutes of playing, I decided that it's just not happening yet. I'm thrilled with 3.5.8 right now and can quite happily hold out for 4.1, which better not suck.
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+6Techinically, it is KDE 4.0 Will-Eat-Your-Children Edition. (The developers said so.)
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+4joebaker: Why not vote for the bug on bugs.kde.org? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67504 It sounds like this is something that needs to be addressed in the Akonadi structure for KDE4 PIM.
- joebaker, on 01/19/2008, -1/+5Don't get me wrong... I love what KDE has done. Yet, I'm still pissed that I havn't seen any reworking of the KIO Slaves so that they can accomodate IMAP's IDLE support. This makes their email client KMAIL totally unusable or at least inefficient for my purposes. The last I heard they were moving the archecture doen into the PIM code so they could accomplish this in the future. In the mean time, Gnome has my desktop, Thunderbird has my email. Evolution seems to be lacking IMAP IDLE support as well. It's all sad... very sad. Heck, webmail AJAX based email clients can notify you of new mail quicker than these antiquated ones like kmail and evolution. IMAP IDLE support is essential.
- crazybrit, on 01/19/2008, -1/+5Constructive criticism is the key. Seems like the internet is deeming KDE4 a complete failure for all these comparatively little things.
- lengau, on 01/19/2008, -0/+4@crazybrit - Sounds similar to the KDE 3.0 days...
- charlesray, on 01/19/2008, -0/+4Oh it's not at all comparable, but it's significantly more customizable than OS X. That's my biggest problem with OS X: it KNOWS the best way to run, and it's not going to let you change that. I always spend awhile after each fresh Windows install customizing it, but again, not nearly as much as on Linux.
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+4That is absolutely correct. Plasma was barely finished before the scheduled release (which was even pushed back a month). They released 4.0 when they got it mostly working without crashing. Now that the .0 release is out of the way, and it "mostly works", they are working on making it customizable.
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+3Well, some think the GNOME desktop looks hideous. Others think the Windows desktop looks hideous. And a few bold people declare the OSX desktop looks hideous.
Your point was? - jellygraph, on 01/19/2008, -1/+4I'm going to test KDE4 and the next release before criticizing your comment. The KDE folks made it very clear that this is not KDE4 but KDE 4.0 and there is still a lot of work to be done before it gets to where they want it to be.
- starsky51, on 01/19/2008, -2/+5you must be new here
- rideagain, on 01/19/2008, -2/+5IDLE's nice to have... but honestly is it *that* important to be notified of new email in seconds instead of minutes?
- ravkass, on 01/19/2008, -1/+4I don't know why people brand KDE as "fugly".. Afterall, at the visual / application layer, it all depends on how the user stylizes his/her desktop. How you theme your desktop is entirely up to you. I've seen some ugly Gnome desktops too. But that doesnt mean Gnome is fugly.
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+3Me too. We'll just have to wait more months, maybe till KDE 4.1. :-(
In the mean time, I've found if you drag .desktop files from /usr/share/applications to the panel, it creates application launchers. - kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+3Well, KDE 4.0 is just Linux/Unix/BSD/Solaris I think. KDE 4.1 will have Mac OSX and Windows ports of the applications. (Not KWin, because that depends on X, and maybe not Plasma, but probably everything else.)
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -1/+4@sirspocksalot and friends: Read Aaron Seigo's blog. There are long, detailed reasons and logic behind everything about the 4.0 release. You just need to read it to understand: the dev team has reasons, and it's because of the way open source works. (Basically, you need to release early and often or a project will stagnate.)
- morphie, on 01/19/2008, -2/+5Custamizable? The ability to add and remove widgets is called custamizing? Well, the panel in KDE 3.5 was waaaayyyy more customizable than this piece of beta-software.
- Meep3D, on 01/19/2008, -3/+5If I bought a car with a pink tartan paint job with rainbow coloured penis stencils on it I'd describe it as fugly.
"Sure, you can paint it if you want" is not an excuse. Using your argument nothing can possibly ever be described as being ugly since the user can 'customize' it anyway.
The bottom line is it should look pretty out of the box. It doesn't so it's ugly and the devs need to get off of their high horse and get someone competent in to do the theming rather than rely on the coders. I wouldn't rely on a designer to do any programming so what on earth makes the Linux folks think it works in the opposite direction? - andycr512, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2Yeah, you have the code, you can customize it to be anything...
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+2I don't know. I don't use an Amiga. Maybe you could try KDE 3.5 and let us know? (KDE 4 is almost completely UNcustomizable in it's dot oh release, but the 3.5 series lets you customize nearly everything.)
- theright, on 01/19/2008, -11/+13Please, tell me I'm not the only one who thinks the new KDE desktop looks hideous...
- davodavo, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1I'm a bit disappointed about KDE4's Konqueror. I really dislike that its file management mode seems to just be Dolphin embedded as a KPart. On a related note, does it any way to implement service menus?
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -1/+2Yes, they shouldn't. Complaining is for users of proprietary software. Users of open source software should file bug reports instead! :-)
- srg13, on 01/19/2008, -4/+5It doesn't look great to me.
Of course, it's highly subjective, but I think the applications look terrible. The desktop and widgets are OK - UKsHaDoW, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1I"m a coder, and freelance designer. Wtf do i do?
- Surkow, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1Perhaps because programming and designing is not mutually exclusive? Programmers can at least make the foundation for the themes.
- kwilliam, on 01/19/2008, -0/+1Think what you like. I know for a fact that many people think the new Oxygen icons are lovely, and many (perhaps not quite as many) love the new Oxygen theme. They kick the pants off the old KDE themes, and the Windows XP / Vista themes, that's for sure.
- duckyinc, on 01/19/2008, -5/+6So you are implying that users shouldn't complain?
- estvir, on 01/20/2008, -0/+1How long has it been in development? How old is KDE? How many people have been pushing KDE4 as the greatest thing since sliced bread?
- amirman, on 01/19/2008, -1/+2i'd rather have a panel i can customize than widgets.
- joe90210, on 01/19/2008, -11/+11that looks atrocious
- andyakadum, on 01/19/2008, -7/+7KDE 4 has to be the most customizable KDE release yet.
I don't get why the KDE folks rip on GNOME for trying to simplify things. GNOME is infinitely more customizable than this...KDE4. - visy, on 01/21/2008, -0/+0I like it.
Its not what I'm used to but hey...change can sometimes be a good thing. - charlesray, on 01/19/2008, -2/+2It would've been better if you had said "looks of Windows 95." The technology behind it is incredible, but it still looks bad; just generally unpolished. And that's not something a 4.1 release is going to fix, because it the same for every window manager on Linux. Compare the fonts in Linux to those in Windows or OS X - they are pure *****.
- inactive, on 01/19/2008, -4/+3Yes, because thats what I want: more ***** widgets and windows all over my desktop. KDEVista?
- DarkFusion, on 01/19/2008, -4/+3KDE still looks like a POS.
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