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- gr3yn3t, on 10/11/2007, -5/+126You guys are brutal..
People begged Dell to offer Ubuntu for a very long time and they listened - rock on Dell for following through.
And they are offering Ubuntu on their notebooks. Can you "build" a notebook for less than $599 with those specs? - shrewduser, on 10/11/2007, -8/+107well not being in the U.S i can't really buy one :(
strange, europe, australia etc have a much higher proportion of linux users... dell should really hurry up and offer this worldwide... - honds, on 10/11/2007, -6/+86@chris9902
Not exactly. My girlfriend has a Dell laptop and tried Linux on it for three months. It wasn't viable because of the wireless drivers. The new Dell systems are guaranteed to have 100% compatibility. No hardware is in there that doesn't work right out of the box with Linux. - Phocion55, on 10/11/2007, -11/+78Somewhere in Redmond....a chair is thrown.......
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -10/+69That laptop has ATI graphics! Grrrrrr....
- EnderTheThird, on 10/11/2007, -5/+48Worldwide would be nice, but come on, baby steps here!
And that E1505n laptop is $100 cheaper than the E1505 with Windows (assuming they're equivalent as far as hardware goes)! That's a much bigger price difference than I expected. Now I just might need to grab a laptop as soon as classes start up again in August!
[Edit] E1505 w/ Windows: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_e1505?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 - MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -5/+47One advantage to just getting it from Dell (or any other manf. that offers a PC with Linux) is that you're assured that everything should work out of the box. You can save some money by building it yourself, but how much value do you put on your time to install it, make sure all your hardware is compatible, downloading all the drivers for the pieces and parts, ect. Just buying one off the shelf means you bypass all that and just can start working.
If you're a tech junkie that enjoys putting together some frankenstonian monster, then have fun. Most people don't want to bother. - griz, on 10/11/2007, -6/+42DUDE! You're gettin' Ubuntu!
- Braingoo, on 10/11/2007, -4/+38Do they come with nifty blue Dell t-shirts.
- diggapleaze, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32Kudos to Dell for bucking the trend, but wow that video was awkward.
- GGreen420, on 10/11/2007, -6/+25"Anybody who knows enough about computers to be able to use Linux knows how to build one... for alot cheaper."
Sorry, not true anymore. Installing a Linux Distro a few years back and installing Feiry Fox today are completely different ballgames.
"Linux != Complexity" Its actually easier to install than Windows! Plus, if Dell is packaging it with their hardware, then all extra hassles of using the shell to tweak the configuration for your hardware are gone. No downloading drivers or messing with fstab.
I think the mindset that Linux is only for geeks is primarily being perpetuated by said geeks, and ultimately helping MS and Apple corner that market.
Linux can be accessible. Open source is for everyone! - brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -4/+23No, the manufacturer install is actually much better then doing it yourself, unless you are a Linux expert AND feel like bothering to tweak it.
I didnt have any trouble getting Ubuntu to basically install and run on my 1405, but to make the proper tweaks for it to run native resolution (Ubuntu recognizes the video chipset properly but does not offer the native 1280x800 resolution as an option), awake properly from sleep (probably a chipset tweak), and take advantage of all the ports and features of modern notebook, including modem, external buttons, and advanced power management and chipset features is very appealing.
Plus, I assume they are offering some level of support. Most of us Linux users dont use any commercial support - however, if I had an issue with my Linux notebook I might actually be inclined to call a support line which actually had experience with the specific distro running on the specific hardware I am running - especially if its free. I dont always have time to be scouring message boards to find others with my issues. - stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I think it's safe to say at this point that yes, these machines will run Linux fine. :)
- Greyarea, on 10/11/2007, -5/+21Until we know how well these are selling I'd say it was a little early to be planning Microsoft's funeral.
Remember - Dell have ditched Linux before and they'll do it again if they want to.
[EDIT] That came over a little negative, which it wasn't supposed to. I'm just saying it might be wise to dial your optimism to 'cautious' - Disfnord, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Don't feed the trolls, for the love of god! They're already over 100 lbs. overweight!
- RatherDashing, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14anyone know the specs of the hardware? Are we saving any money by going linux?
- k3rnel, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13"1. It appeases the Linux crowd who probably won't buy any of these systems anyway. Face it, most anyone that actually USES Linux as their main OS (not the consummate weekend warrior dual booter) builds their own box. Most probably a real Linux user wouldn't be caught dead with a Dell."
I've been using linux for 10 years and I'm buying one. Why would I build a laptop that would cost more and I can't be guaranteed all the hardware will work? I'll be proud to own a Dell laptop.
"2. It buys Dell some free press based on the goodwill involved. They're supporting free software, blah, blah, blah. Again, fluff."
How do you see it as fluff? This is the first time in history a major vendor has mass marketed linux for the desktop. They ARE supporting free software by making it available on their machines, I can't see how that is not supporting free software. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13I think you know this already, but you can change it very, very easily.
- knupso, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Well schestowitz trounces him in a googlefight. lol
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=schestowitz&word2=hdtvdust - loganbh, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13"computer pre-loaded with communism" - If you believe that to be free is to be communist, so sorry.
"patent infringements" - Windows have a plenity of then too.
"cant run ANY games" - This part has some direction, but it can run a nice set of games, but not the newers.
"REAL Operating System!" - You really don´t know what is an operational system, right? - brundlefly76, on 10/11/2007, -4/+14@honds
Yes Ubuntu with Intel wireless can be a pain in the ass - slow to connect, picky about auth options, more dropped connections, inconsistant in which APs it can see at any given refresh, unable to handle large high-speed (like LAN) transfers (see the ISSUES.txt with the 3945 drivers) and sometimes network manager just 'goes away' while Im using wireless.
I hope Dell has some sort of solution for these issues, that would be worth the price of admission. - Murdats, on 10/11/2007, -5/+15and what would you have them use? your favourite distro only?
face it, ubuntu is the flagship of linux, its the linux made to be for the 'common man' not the leet haxxor (and I use that term humerously)
name a better distro to put on computers for the general public.
or are you someone who follows the anti-mainstream phillosophy? anything mainstream is bad/evil/crap - loganbh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10Perhaps 95% of the home users prefer “Vista”, but for public services and companies the Linux is more advantageous. At least where I live…
- daftman, on 10/11/2007, -0/+10stupid logic. Microsoft also use linux for their websites so what's your ***** point?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9not everyone knows how to do that though.
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Are you saying that supporting big corporate companies (Microsoft) is more patriotic?
- Ozzy73, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Hi to you too! Do you just troll and look for Ubuntu articles to bury them and flame?
BTW your blog still sucks ass ;-) - mcmlxxii, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Yeah but I guess these chuckle brothers must be the real deal, no ad men would be that bad in front of a camera.
- Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Really, the choices for a company like Dell to sell on a desktop box are Ubuntu, Linspire, and Mandriva. Given those choices, Ubuntu is clearly the best - even if you're a hardcore Gentoo user or whatever. Some people would argue that OpenSuSE or Fedora are the right choice, but Dell is trying to run a business here - not help Novel or Red Hat distribute their beta-test/demo versions. Ubuntu is the *only* Linux distro that both costs $0 and is fully supported by a stable commercial entity - including for-pay commercial support for those who want it.
- DickBreath, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11It's a Wonderful Life.
Remember: Every time Dell sells a Linux system, a chair dies. - MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8and that has exactly what to do with offering Linux on computers?
- MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12"Now you too can buy a computer pre-loaded with communism"
So I guess you think competition is bad? Yeah, nothing communistic about that. - Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10stmiller -
Did you even read the article or look at the specs that EnderTheThird linked to? How about any of the 18 people who dugg you up? The E1505 laptop with Windows on it has Intel graphics, not ATI. Intel Graphics are the best choice they could have made - Free Software drivers and everything.
ATI deserves a boatload of ***** for bad blob drivers, but Dell appears to have done the right thing and gone for Intel grapics with this laptop. Once we see the E1505n specs later today we can be sure, but I can't really see them screwing this one up. - mynameisdave02, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I'm assuming you don't 'like' it.
Change it. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7What wireless card is in the Inspiron E1505n notebook? Is it wireless N? broadcom? *scratchs head* I really hope the sleep/hibernate options work well on this notebook , i have a feeling with the new ubuntu/dell relationship that it will really make linux shine more than ever, as it will be fine tuned to dells hardware for sure.
- sukimashita, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9One step for Dell; one giant leap for Linux.
- Elysium1298, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9This has a better tittle, the other one sounds just like another ubuntu story
- xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6good new hopefully this will push other computer system manufacturers build systems with linux, and this pushes hardware manufacturers to provide linux drivers.
- TeamRocket, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Take that Broadcom!!! Never got your dam wireless card to work with linux
- borchard76, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6That's odd, you should have been able to fix the problem without a reinstall. It really is a matter of removing the old hardware drivers and loading the new drivers. That's not particularly difficult, although it may require some effort. If you don't know the commands, then you can easily look them up (using windows), write them down or print them, then go back to linux.
One of the things I learned while mucking about with gentoo is that most problems in linux can be solved if you are patient enough. I also learned that occasionally I am not patient enough. Go figure. - geneseepc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I logged in JUST to reply to you.
Of all your points in that drawn-out incoherent post the absolute worst thing is the fact that you actually mentioned adobe for reading PDF's. You just lost all credibility as a reviewer of anything if you use adobe's acrobat reader as a baseline for anything. It's bloated, it's slow, and it sucks. Also, people buying from wal-mart are not necessarily idiots, I bet many of them know a helluva lot more about profession X than you do. not to mention this is the wrong post to even bring that up in. There has not been any mention of whether or not ubuntu will be sold in wal-mart stores on Dells.
I can think of one great reason to use Ubuntu over Vista.. It's cheap, and it does 99% of what people using a computer want. Especially those "IDIOTS" as you call them who use a computer to check e-mail, myspace, and stock quotes.
Vista is not perfect.. In fact, it's hardly an improvement over XP.. for most people it is NOT an improvement at all actually, it offers them nothing over XP. For some it may, but those people honestly have a hard time naming WHY they like Vista more, other than aero... But really, I have nothing against XP, Vista, Linux, or Mac's.. just idiots. - Dmitrik, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I already customized my computer, started filling up checkout but then I figured they don't ship to Canada.
Sucks! :( - daftman, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6most people don't buy a car body home and put in the engine later.
I don't think it is aimed at you but at audience who just want a laptop irrespective of whether it is linux, mac, or windows. So now, mom and dad have more choices on what to buy for their teenagers or themselves. - Ashex, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6actually, you could have solved your problem with one command: sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
that problem stemmed from the issue being that xorg was configured to use ati drivers, so it was trying to run the nvidia card with ati drivers. - godd4242, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@all the ATi worries
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 950
Works like a charm with Ubuntu, you can even install Beryl via Synaptic with this thing, don't even have to use terminal.
224 shared memory with 2GB RAM already sounds like a fair deal to me.
I can deal with not having a beast of a graphics card on a laptop I never use for games. - selrahc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Anyone can change the oil in a car, or grow their own tomatoes... why would you pay someone else to do it for you???
- jughead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5@nitrojunky24 - I doubt Dell will sell dual boot computers. I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu 7.04 and I can see the benefit, but it's too much trouble for Dell. People that dual boot usually have enough know-how to set it up each partition just the way they like it.
You might be right about people not putting their money where their mouth is, but there are reasons for that. I wonder how many people that voted for this on IdeaStorm are actually in the market for a computer right now? I voted for this on IdeaStorm, but I just got a laptop last May. I won't need another laptop for a long time, but when I get a new laptop I want it to have linux preinstalled.
I'm sure Dell knows that offering Ubuntu on three systems won't blast their sales through the roof. They did this because of the overwhelming response on IdeaStorm; they are just hoping they make a little money from this. - Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6We don't have the final hardware specs yet, but the prices were in the article (did you RTFA?). Assuming that the E1505 with Windows is the same as the E1505n that they'll be offering Ubuntu on, you'll be saving about $100 on the laptop. Similarly, the XPS 410n is $50 cheaper than the 410 with Windows. The E520 looks like it's starting at $250 *more* than the baseline E520 with Windows - my guess is that they aren't offering their lowest end hardware configurations (Celeron, Pentium D models) with Ubuntu. That's actually a bit sad - an Ubuntu system with a Pentium D and 512 megs of RAM for ~$350 would have been awesome.
In any case, for the most relevant of the three systems - the laptop - it looks like the price is significantly lower with Ubuntu. - pihlopase, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I have an Inspiron 9300 and it works beautifully with Ubuntu. Everything, aside from 3D acceleration, works out of the box. You only need to 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' to get 3D working. I have bought Dell machines for years and now plan on buying another, with Ubuntu. I congratulate Dell on their effort. I was one of many that asked for it, and hopefully not the only one who is ready to let their wallet do the talking.
- arjie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Woo, specs for the Inspiron.
http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Clients/Products/Inspiron_1505n
They come with nVidia. -
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