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- cdmarcus, on 11/30/2007, -5/+29Sounds like an awesome idea
- FeloniusMonkey, on 11/30/2007, -4/+23Dell wanted to call it the "French Box", but Congress stepped in, and.... well... FREEDOM Box it is!
- inactive, on 11/30/2007, -6/+25Sounds like a corny name.
- lime148, on 11/30/2007, -1/+12Sounds like you're a terrorist. Enjoy your taser.
- MeneerR, on 11/30/2007, -1/+8Yes. I met the market yesterday. And she was all 'i can decide for myself'. Then she ate 10 million hamburgers and died.
She is so smart. I really look up to her ability to decide for herself. She also listens to most cool music ever on her iPod.
I think i am going to buy an iPod too. Maybe wear my iPod to the McDonalds. I live there now. The market decided I couldn't afford my house now. I don't blame her though. She's so ***** smart!
You know what? The market is SO INTELLIGENT.. why not let the market pick the president?
Oh wait, it already works like that. They give the post to the guy with most financial backing. Wow, markets are great.
I luv markets. When I grow up .. i wanne be a market too. Do you want to own me? Buy me now! - ocbeta, on 11/30/2007, -3/+9Hey my girl friend already uses that name for her....uh...
- ArntorFTL, on 11/30/2007, -9/+14Sorry, but Dell's "greatest endeavor yet" should be reserved for fixing their gimpy ass customer service.
- FredFredrickson, on 12/01/2007, -0/+4What in the hell does Ron Paul have to do with Open Source?
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -1/+5There is big a difference between opening up the driver source code and opening up the hardware design/circuitry of the chip/board itself.
- bluenullity, on 11/30/2007, -4/+8***** why not call it a RON PAUL box while you're at it.
- ha1f, on 11/30/2007, -3/+7Digg == Personal Internet Army?
- justinjacobs, on 12/01/2007, -0/+31. Cut a hole in the box.
2. Put freedom in box. - FranTaylor, on 11/30/2007, -2/+5Hopefully they will use standard gate arrays and socket them. It would be beyond cool to be able to mess with the hardware at this level. Computers have become opaque magic boxes, this will let allow people to get in there and understand how they work a lot better.
- nmp374, on 11/30/2007, -2/+5Can I get a side-order of Freedom Fries with that?
- MeneerR, on 11/30/2007, -2/+5This is not about OPEN DRIVERS. It is about OPEN HARDWARE.
We are talking about GPL liscenced blue-prints for all chips in the machiene.
Now that is freedom. Or is it? (inquiring minds want to know..) - dd240sx, on 11/30/2007, -0/+3this is either going to work nicely or not at all but sounds like nice project
- UnclePow, on 11/30/2007, -2/+5Actually, Dell has pretty outstanding customer service for IT departments who choose to shell out the extra cash for Gold Tech Support. We pay for it and have had situations where we've had them spend 48 straight hours working with us on a problem until it was resolved.
- burty89, on 11/30/2007, -0/+3You want to replace the 'opaque magic boxes' with bigger opaque magic boxes? Anyone wanting to understand a processor right down to the level of logic gates would build their own anyway, and that might even be easier to do than figure out someone elses design.
- andycr512, on 11/30/2007, -0/+3Right in the description (emphasis in dashes): "From the software, -all the way down to the hardware,- a completely open system"
- Godlike, on 11/30/2007, -2/+4Is 2010 the new 2000? Like, where "BY TWENTY TEN" we're going to have flying cars everywhere and nanobots to build you new organs and blah blah? So sick of predictions... stop predicting, start BUILDING.
That said... what, you really think people pay 200 dollars for Windows because they DON'T want it? There is a reason they still sell software as the largest software company /on the whole earth/. Say what you want about the quality... but people are buying it. - linuxpenguin, on 12/02/2007, -0/+2FYI. . . if you're paying for gold support, they will come out to your building. No way in hell I would've stayed on the phone with them for 48 hours.
- fkr3, on 11/30/2007, -3/+5It does but I don't think it sounds like a feasible idea. I don't see AMD, Intel or nVidia making any of their cpus/gpus "open source" unless it's old and boring hardware. Open source is attempting to cover the GPU at least but they're working towards geforce 2's which'll be about a decade old by the end of 2010.
- glenneroo, on 12/03/2007, -0/+2gee, thanks for giving us the blindingly obvious answer to anything: it'll work or it wont.
- eean, on 11/30/2007, -1/+3I'm sure they sell Intel already.
- chlorinekid, on 11/30/2007, -0/+2how many reasons do you want?
- MeneerR, on 11/30/2007, -1/+3RTFA
- MeneerR, on 11/30/2007, -1/+3Not all problems are related to faulthy hardware.
What if the replacement has the same problem?
He's talking about _real_ support, the kind you _pay_ for. Not the kind they are legally obliged to give ya.
There they don't say ***** like 'ehm we don't support running os/2 on there.' .. then they are more like 'we will figure out the correct bios settings for you so it doens't destroy your harddrive after a month and _then_ we will sent a replacement! - inactive, on 12/01/2007, -0/+2As far as the "open box" idea: it's good in general, but Dell can't start something like this. Once a community starts a project to design said hardware and produces a solution of it's own volition, then you could perhaps persuade Dell to realize, manufacture, and market it (in much the same way Ubuntu has done, minus the manufacturing).
As far as I know, there are a few CPUs with open designs (openSPARC, namely), there is a graphics card with open design (the Open Graphics Project), and there are a few embedded chipset solutions, but nothing like the complete, x86, ATX-compatible solution that this is talking about. the OpenOEM and OpenBook projects seem to have this goal for desktops and a tablet laptop respectively, but both appear to be in their infancy and neither seems incredibly active. Perhaps if either of these ever produce a solution, Dell could be convinced to manufacture it, but not until then. - digitalarcanum, on 12/01/2007, -1/+3yeah, because Apple's customer service is so much superior for when you have to return those imacs or macbooks with manufacturing defects. amirite? did I hit a nerve? it seems as though the Apple Cartel must digg me down now!
- invinciblechunk, on 12/01/2007, -0/+2Why the hell Dell? Surely if any company does this, it's not going to be them (nor have to be).
- raynevandunem, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Mandriva?
- culbeda, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1(continuing the sarcasm thread) Sounds like a lucrative proposition for Dell
- MethodOne, on 12/02/2007, -0/+13. Make her open the box.
That's the way you do it. It's a Dell in a box! - sgoogle, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Open BIOS already exists, but I can't remember it's name (My MoBo doesn't support it)
- sdonahoe, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1So how open is fully open? Does that include the wifi card that accesses the radio spectrum, which is highly regulated by the FCC? Don't hold your breath then. Uhm, how's the open-source software radio project coming?
- Godlike, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1You need a blog. Seriously. Clean that ***** up a bit and you've got some pretty decent eclectic cynical writing there.
(No I haven't got one.) - linuxeventually, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1loon47 was referring to the similarity between "freedom box" and "freedom fries" and moreover, that the conventional name for the latter is "french fries". Therefore apparently loon47 wants to call it "french box"? Though it is highly disputed where fries truly originated.
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1?
- burty89, on 11/30/2007, -0/+1"Plus, it might have the added side-effect of both of them opening up the architecture of their gfx chips."
ATI have already done that. Trying to become a new graphics card manufacturer wouldn't be practical for a company that wants to make any profit any time soon. If anything, Dell would be wise to help out the RadeonHD driver if it can, although Novell & AMD/ATI seem to have it covered pretty well. - vofuse, on 11/30/2007, -1/+2Good troll.
- sanotaan, on 11/30/2007, -2/+3why don't you let the market decide if it wants your "freedom box" instead of proselytizing.
- inactive, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1I would rather see them simply extend their ubuntu OS option (even if it's DIY; blank hdd + ubuntu cd) to all systems.
They can even slap a big, huge "UNSUPPORTED, SOME HARDWARE MAY NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH OS" disclaimer on there and pull tech support for those systems (so long as the hardware warranty is still in place) it would be even less work on their end than a windows box. As long as I can still purchase their hardware without the "Microsoft tax" for the operating system that I plan on removing.
I like Dell's overall design and system assembly, I just wish that I could save ~$40 or so. - markbrown, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1... The Freedom Box?
Wouldn't the Bush administration steal it, then? - superkickstart, on 11/30/2007, -2/+3This is just a suggestion that some dude made in dell ideastorm..
- MeneerR, on 11/30/2007, -1/+2If they want people to buy it, shouldn't they just call it a RonPaulApproved box. That would make all of the digg crowd buy it immideately.
- sanotaan, on 12/06/2007, -0/+1mr meneerr hasn't a clue about the purpose of a market, nor the very definition of a market.
the market isn't the chunk of people consuming a good. it's not the chunk of people selling a good, either. rather, it's an entire system of exchange that reflects the desirability of a good given the amount of information available at the time, and gives power of choice to the consumers instead of ***** bureaucrats who think they know better than everyone...and probably use linux too.
you wanna eat 10 million hamburgers a day and die? go ahead! market will keep humming along. i'll eat one a year and be just fine, and the market's ok with that too.
thanks! remember, digg up == i'm right. digg down == i'm right and my words hurt your feelings.
godlike: well done with the sarcasm. - Godlike, on 12/01/2007, -0/+1Shrug, was just trying to point out that regardless of what anyone says about them Microsoft are not doing poorly in any conceivable way.
- smacksaw, on 11/30/2007, -3/+4If they are willing to put their weight behind a graphics alternative to ATI and NVIDIA it will totally make Linux dominate. Plus, it might have the added side-effect of both of them opening up the architecture of their gfx chips.
- linuxpenguin, on 12/02/2007, -0/+1Did you even understand the article? And how is what Intel's doing any different from what Asus, Gigabyte, etc. are doing to produce their motherboards?
If you're talking about the "open hardware" spec. . . the reason that's in there is that there are, in fact, organizations and projects that support this idea, and have created their own "open hardware" standards - and there are hardware manufacturers that adhere to them. The point of this isn't to go home and make something better than what Intel has - it's so that you can look at how what they have works, and can see how to make it work to your advantage (ie, if you're a programmer, and want your programs to take advantage of the hardware's special capabilities). - Atomic1fire, on 12/01/2007, -1/+2DMM
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