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- Dinsdale77, on 11/23/2008, -2/+38Freedom!!!!!
- smotpoker, on 11/24/2008, -0/+11Nope, FOSS developers invest huge amounts of time and energy providing us with that freedom.
- Ghoztt, on 11/24/2008, -3/+13It seems to me open-source has proven that it can work upon all levels of human transactions and business, virtual and tangible.
I believe we are in the last days of money.
Progress is inevitable. - inactive, on 11/24/2008, -2/+10"Defending the flame of linux freedom"? That's a bit dramatic, don't you think?
- RoboDonut, on 11/24/2008, -0/+7It's quite clear that you're horribly misinformed.
Use Linux for a year or two, then come back and read that statement. It'll be just like that XKCD comic with the virus that reads YouTube comments. - TrellSaracen, on 11/24/2008, -2/+9Correction: you SHOULD always have the _choice_ of installing binaries.
- maz2331, on 11/24/2008, -0/+7Not the last days of money, nor the end of proprietery software. Maybe, though, the first days of the resumption of sanity.
- mrsteveman1, on 11/24/2008, -0/+6Somehow i don't think "linux" is going to respond.
- maz2331, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5It costs a buck-o-five.
- regeya, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5"then we do we spend so much time installing, updating, configuring, supporting something that doesn't work right away?"
That's why I haven't purchased a Microsoft product since the Windows 98 days. They turn on every friggin' feature, including the ones which make the system unresponsive and/or unstable, and then fanboys spend ages making fun of people for not realizing the modern systems will run for months on end if only you get decent hardware and spend ages tweaking the damn thing. - killdeer03, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4Hey, i am huge fan of OpenSource technology and the philosophy behind it, but why must everything be so melodramatic?
- aywwts4, on 11/24/2008, -1/+5Free software is capitalism at work. The majority of open source development is done on the dime of large corporations, mostly in their own interest.
IBM wants a good OS for the servers they sell. Red Hat sells service and support for an OS they help make better all the time. (You can download CentOS, which is a clone of redhat linux in every way, but people choose Redhat for the support) Google fixes stuff in the open source products they use, and send those patches back upstream. All sorts of companies contribute to the open source they use, it isn't just an all you can eat buffet. - cougar618, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4Updating Ati Video Drivers.
Linux
1) open terminal
2) 'sudo apt-get install xorg-X11-drv-fglrx -y'
3) restart X
Windows
1) Open ie
2) go to ati.com
3) spend ~ min finding the driver and DL (80 Mb +)
4) install
5) reboot
But to be fair, this is assuming you can get fglrx to work to begin with. See Fedora 9 May - Oct.; Fedora 10 (probably won't work until Ubuntu releases Jovial Jackass in April). /s - mrsteveman1, on 11/24/2008, -0/+4What Linux needs or rather what each distro needs is a stable library ABI.
The reason it won't happen and can't for now, is that a lot of this stuff is in its infancy, some of these libraries have changed MASSIVELY in just a years time. - ijwhelan, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3No.
- aryxza, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3it is good to know the tech savy business as fierce competition as well
- ijwhelan, on 11/24/2008, -2/+5Yeah, so was "You give a man a fish, he eats for a day, you teach a man to use Linux, he eats for a lifetime."
That quote above was seriously the most WTF comment I have heard in a Linux article. - 4321234, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3The article says 2/3 of the packages in fedora are community maintained.
- kholburn, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3Yeah and the US constitution is just gall and animal skin or ink and paper; a music CD is just a large number.
- EnderMB, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3Read again. I did not compare any of those examples to Linux users.
Have the $20 back and go buy a reading book. - jumalauta, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3NOTICE:
Ubuntu ain't the only Linux distribution. :) - regeya, on 11/24/2008, -0/+3http://autopackage.org/
http://klik.atekon.de/
http://www.linux.com/feature/59502
Now, it sounds great, but honestly...how many people, a show of hands, please, really want to have a Linux equivalent of Universal Binaries? Just in the PC world, you have at least two somewhat incompatible platforms: 32- and 64-bit. Just for a look at the scope of the problem, take a look at how many different sets of install CDs there are for Debian: As of now, there are TEN!
http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
I don't want code for TEN FRIGGIN' HARDWARE PLATFORMS in my binaries, and I don't want my package manager to have to strip binaries during installation.
The alternative would be to have someone create some sort of JIT VM, I guess. Java would be okay, I guess; I doubt Debian would touch a Mono-based platform with a 10-foot pole.
It's something which has been discussed for a long time, by many people, and while you're right that things need to be simplified, there's no general consensus on how to do that. Standards are great; let's make one! :-> - JQP123, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3"I believe we are in the last days of money."
Wow, just wow!
Since money is soon to be worthless, how about giving me any you happen to have on hand? I'll trade you a bridge for it.
Someone is in serious need of some time away from the keyboard. - mrsteveman1, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2Universal binaries only cover 4 arch, the 32 and 64 bit instruction sets for ppc and x86. The duplication of code x4 doesn't increase the size of the installer by a factor of 4, and conversely stripping out all of them but the one you use, which is x86-32 in my case, doesn't shrink used space by 3/4 either.
And really, the major targets here are x86 platforms, and there are only 2 of them. Thats the desktop linux space, and the only one that really needs such a universal binary feature if one is even necessary. - whoreable, on 11/24/2008, -1/+3The only thing holding me back from running linux on all my machines is that my broker's software will not run on linux. Not on wine or any other emulator.
- Ghoztt, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2A day, in the context of a century, with human history in perspective.
- MrPatriotMan, on 11/24/2008, -0/+2Freedom!!!!!!!!! Yea right!!!!!!! Ok I listen to to much Rage Against the Machine
- regeya, on 11/24/2008, -2/+3"Last days of money" was a stretch, but you provided the rest of the examples, and applied them to "Linux users" as ideals they (we) hold.
Here's a $20, kid; go buy a logic book. - DigitalisAkujin, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Except it's not and it isn't.
It's called "best tool for the job". Not "only tools from the open source bucket". - 4321234, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1I'll add that domain to my adblock blacklist, right away.
- jasmus, on 11/24/2008, -4/+5ahahahahaaaaaa..... oh, wow
- jamesmcm, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1But it is the only way of modifying programs to suit your needs and that's what Free Software is all about.
Take Flash for example, where Windows and OS X users are still left without a 64bit version despite many people wanting one - I'm sure if Flash was Free Software the development would be much quicker and it would be a much better standard. - jamesmcm, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1But my point was that the Free Software development model works better. Especially for major standards like Flash, as it means that people who want, say a 64-bit version, would help develop one (I'm sure there's enough programmers who do). Whereas under the proprietary model you are powerless and must beg Adobe to add your features.
So while, atm, there may be more mature proprietary tools than Free Software tools (such as photoshop and GIMP), I think the Free Software development model is better and will see more useful features in the end.
Of course, atm there are many problems with hardware manufacturers refusing to publish the specification and documentation for their hardware - so they effectively dictate what OS you use and how efficiently you can use it. That is wrong and is a major hurdle for Free Software atm (It's why GIMP or VLC can't run on the GPU, etc.) - jamesmcm, on 11/24/2008, -0/+1Yeah, I don't see the need for Universal Binaries either. Ultimately, if binaries for your flavour of GNU/Linux: Debian, Slackware, Red Hat, etc. aren't available (which they usually are) you can just compile from source. It's pretty easy with git tbh. The universal binary idea would only be useful for proprietary software where the source code is not available and it would probably hit the performance on some systems (as the distro.s are configured differently).
- Pixelante, on 11/24/2008, -1/+1Because... BECAUSE!
And if you don't agree we will... We will post our lamentations on MySpace and then we'll upload tearful videos on YouTube in which we'll state how the cruel world doesn't understand us.
Then we'll attempt suicide, by scratching our wrists with the plastic knives from the Barbie tea party set we borrowed from our little sister (had to beg her on our knees for that). - helixed, on 11/24/2008, -1/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UBEYVd3OKk
- DigitalisAkujin, on 11/24/2008, -7/+7People need to stop crying wolf. You always have the _choice_ of installing binaries. Source code isn't the end all be all way to install programs.
- 4NDr01D, on 11/24/2008, -4/+4but the support costs way more $$$$$$$$$
hey Linux, try to innovate somewhere else besides price...
BTW
if time is money
then we do we spend so much time
installing, updating, configuring, supporting something that doesn't work right away?
seriously spending all weekend updating your video drivers to work with the latest release is no way to spend your life. - d9d9, on 11/24/2008, -0/+0actually that's opensource bandwagon, not linux one.
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -1/+1"Linux
1) open terminal
2) 'sudo apt-get install xorg-X11-drv-fglrx -y'
3) restart X
"
AHAHA YOU WISH THAT IT WAS ALWAYS THAT EASY - jcwuerfl, on 11/24/2008, -6/+5Linux is cool but it needs to be more polished. I would love to see linux have a standard way of installing applications across all distro's not just 1 distro. That means it needs a common API and distribute application binaries NOT just source code or have it automatically compile the source code. Does windows do this? does mac? then why should we have to do that with linux? Also, we need a GUI that rivals Windows/OSX if not better. W/o some of these things Linux will not be a primary OS.
- ijwhelan, on 11/24/2008, -9/+62009: The Year of the Linux Des, Oh, Crap! We said that last year!
I use Ubuntu. - valis, on 11/24/2008, -2/+1*face palm* Unbelievable waste of emotion. It's an operating system - an organized electron cloud skimmed by a ferrite wafer and streamed into a cascading matrix of inorganic switches. It's made out to be like a religion or a form of patriotism. It's a toaster. Make toast.
- EnderMB, on 11/24/2008, -7/+4Yeah, just like:
World Peace
Disarming Nuclear Weapons
Equality for all genders and races
An end to cruelty to animals and children
No homelessness or poverty
Ending world hunger
Linux users are so far up their own asses sometimes. Free software is good for those that want it but capitalism has proved that enterprise is essential for any kind of free society. - thehated, on 11/24/2008, -5/+1eleventh!
- tama00, on 11/24/2008, -7/+4Freedom isn't free
- inactive, on 11/24/2008, -9/+2Perfect time of the year to bring this Linux video back. It's almost Christmas!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gvw73U_VpU -
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