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- Kral, on 04/06/2009, -2/+65These comments suck. Where did the techie crowd on Digg go?
- techdever, on 04/06/2009, -2/+43they got brainwashed with lolcats and crappy webcomics
- Artz, on 04/06/2009, -1/+39Slashdot?
- KAMiKAZOW, on 04/06/2009, -3/+33Probably left when digg chose Microsoft as ad provider....
- srg13, on 04/06/2009, -0/+26They already have a version of debian with the HURD kernel afaik. It's not just a Linux distribution anymore...
- techdever, on 04/06/2009, -2/+25lots of wannabe techies here that don't know anything about bsd, but have to comment anyway
- ucuntu, on 04/06/2009, -1/+21Does this mean Debian will work with ZFS properly instead of just using FUSE?
- profMagus, on 04/06/2009, -1/+21It's a FreeBSD based kernel, not a Linux based one.
- Filter, on 04/06/2009, -0/+15Well it appears that it's simply an addition of a choice of FreeBSD kernel not replacing the Linux kernel. Free Software is all about choice. Good move IMO.
- johnwoo32, on 04/06/2009, -8/+23Can anyone explain the significance of this? I always thought of Debian as a flavour of Linux. A Linux flavour is based on a Linux kernel. The FreeBSD kernel is not a Linux kernel. Why would Debian want to become more than a Linux flavour? Is it a move towards a more generic Debian, since Ubuntu and others already build on Debian (Linux kernel)?
- SteveMax, on 04/06/2009, -1/+15It's just like Gentoo/FreeBSD. At some point, the actual kernel becomes "irrelevant" or just another part of the OS. You can have the exact same functionality (drivers excluded) under Linux, *BSD, Solaris, Darwin, a finished Hurd etc etc etc. All they are doing is adapting the userland to build under a different kernel, which will allow you to use the kernel that better suits your needs with the Debian userland and tools.
It's simple, actually. You can have gcc or icc, Firefox or Konqueror, Gnome or KDE, OpenOffice or KOffice, without changing the rest of the system; now you can also choose Linux or FreeBSD. The only difference is that things will have to be compiled for FreeBSD, so you will have to reinstall the whole system if you want a FreeBSD based Debian. - koko775, on 04/06/2009, -0/+14Kernel ZFS support, for one. It's not as good as OpenSolaris' but it's certainly better than Linux's. That said, with Debian's strict FOSS policies, it seems more likely that a derivative distribution like Ubuntu, if it added the FreeBSD kernel, would allow ZFS.
- svensko, on 04/06/2009, -1/+14Better code quality control
- enantiodromia, on 04/06/2009, -1/+14better core development
- nullity, on 04/06/2009, -0/+13"Oh and if you think that debian is betten than FreeBSD you obviously know nothing about FreeBSD."
I don't think anyone was saying that one is better than the other. They are better suited to different things, but that's another story.
"Just like Debian they have a package repository but unlike Debian there is also a source one that allows you to download the source code of a package that does not exist as a binary."
Um... if you didn't know that Debian has source repositories, then you obviously know nothing about Debian. - techdever, on 04/06/2009, -0/+12check out netcraft and see just how few servers use it...
- KAMiKAZOW, on 04/06/2009, -1/+14But but.... Necraft confirmed that BSD is dead!
(Old Slashdot joke.) - KAMiKAZOW, on 04/06/2009, -0/+12Yes, Captain Obvious. And it uses the GNU userland, instead of the FreeBSD one.
- inactive, on 04/06/2009, -2/+14POSIX mostly just defines a standard set of API calls for process management, file access and other simple OS-agnostic stuff IIRC; even Windows is compliant to a certain degree. If you can find a standard that does things better (and isn't just a tweaked version of the POSIX standard), please, tell us.
- enantiodromia, on 04/06/2009, -2/+13bed?
- lvizon, on 04/06/2009, -1/+11Choice.
- inactive, on 04/06/2009, -2/+12***** off, internet tough guy/real life pussy.
- sofaking30, on 04/06/2009, -0/+9late night 4chan'in?
- inactive, on 04/06/2009, -6/+15What a boring, boring comment
- KAMiKAZOW, on 04/06/2009, -0/+9Debian GNU/kFreeBSD: Yes.
Debian GNU/Linux: No.
And before you ask: No, Debian's Linux flavor won't die (in fact Debian supports non-Linux kernels since a long time) and hence: No, Ubuntu won't switch to the FreeBSD kernel. - inactive, on 04/06/2009, -1/+9Its 5 am, they just fell asleep. See you at 11
- smotpoker, on 04/06/2009, -1/+8Neither is anti-profit, just pro-freedom. Opposing the act of punishing an entire market because you're afraid of the actions of a few is not the same as opposing sales. Any GPL'd or BSDL'd code can be sold for a profit.
Using the timeless car analogy, proprietary vendors refuse to provide decent manuals and lock the hood in a way only their dealers can open for fear someone might steal/implement their idea. Open vendors, OTOH, allow anyone to open the hood, provide extensive documentation and try to design their parts to be interchangeable with other makes/models. Anyone can still sell their car but now they can more easily modify it however they want or wind up with something better without having to start from scratch. - clip9, on 04/06/2009, -1/+8IEEE 1003 is posix.
- tshawkins, on 04/06/2009, -0/+6Many large content providers use FreeBSD for their servers because of its incredible stability, a large number of "appliances" Routers etc, are based on OpenBSD or NetBSD
MAC OS X uses the BSD userland on top of a Mach based kernel
BSD is very far from being dead
FreeBSD is a Joy to use, its coherent, easy to administer, and very posix compliant, nice things like UFS, 64bit file systems from the start. - selphishnerd, on 04/06/2009, -3/+8hmm... I wonder if Ubuntu will give this option now. FreeBSD is pretty awesome in its own way, I still use Linux for most of my stuff, especially desktops.
- sanskrtam, on 04/06/2009, -0/+5I don't think Linux is "turning BSD" when Linux developers are looking for creative ideas within open source vendors.
For example, Gentoo's Portage was originally based on ideas of BSD's ports and never stole all of BSD's codes completely. And today's Portage looks quite different from BSD's ports.
I know there has been arguments between Linux and BSD communities, but recent Linux users don't even have any bad opinions against BSD. Arguing for nothing doesn't make any sense. - lordmorgul, on 04/06/2009, -2/+7"Finished Hurd", I lol'd.
- inactive, on 04/06/2009, -0/+5I've wanted to run ZFS for a while now. How hard is it on Deb / Ubuntu systems?
- smotpoker, on 04/06/2009, -0/+5If I were denying it, I would have mentioned it. What I am denying is your assessment of BSD and GPL licenses as "anti-Profit".
I have no idea about ID's specific business practices or revenue so I am in no position to either confirm or deny whether GPL was more profitable or why. - jetsfandb, on 04/06/2009, -0/+5"The only difference is that things will have to be compiled for FreeBSD, so you will have to reinstall the whole system if you want a FreeBSD based Debian."
While thats true when your installing distributions that don't involve compiling the kernel, it should be pointed out that FreeBSD supports Linux binary compatibility as a kernel compile time option. - M2ajallooeian, on 04/06/2009, -5/+9Hail!
But when will we be having a 100% POSIX compliant OS which is also as universal as Linux? And not Mac OS, I mean a free one. - MattBD, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4Debian and derivatives such as Ubuntu all have source repositories. You can download the source code with apt-get source packagename. Apt-get can also install all the dependencies for you with apt-get build-dep.
- firebug1969, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4Long waited but finally happened. Open Source is all about the choice. Hopefully developers will bring all the BSD goodies to Linux kernel,stability etc...
- AngelBunny, on 04/06/2009, -2/+6To spark conversation:
What advantages can freeBSD bring to the table besides a licensing difference? - raydeen, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4What is the advantage to using FreeBSD over Linux? Just curious, not flamebaiting. I know next to nothing about the BSDs other than they're much closer to being actual UNIX than Linux is.
Edit: Nevermind. Many answers further down the page. - HonoredMule, on 04/06/2009, -1/+5Legally impossible to do so in a manner that is worthwhile. FUSE performs badly enough to negate the benefits of ZFS, and non-GPL Debian-supported kernels (this article) are too immature to actually use.
Technically very difficult because no one will work on an illegal project.
Fairly easy if you count something like Nexenta, which combines the debian toolchain with the OpenSolaris kernel, but the support and breadth of package availability prevents using this stack as a complete solution. I use a Nexenta storage/sql/svn server supporting a fully Ubuntu-based everything-else server. It works quite well, but you'll run into trouble still if you want to integrate everything (like samba authentication) into an LDAP directory, as the package support comes up short.
I have high hopes for Nexenta 2.0, which appears to be coming along quite nicely. - jcannonb, on 04/06/2009, -1/+5Nexenta 2.0?
- inactive, on 04/06/2009, -0/+4attempt to sound l33t - massive failure, abort ?
- secrity, on 04/06/2009, -2/+6Yes. I know; ISO/IEC 9945 == IEEE 1003 == POSIX. I was trying to suggest a name that asshat would find more palatable.
- Elranzer, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3"It's just like Gentoo/FreeBSD. At some point, the actual kernel becomes "irrelevant" or just another part of the OS."
This even applies to Windows. You hardly ever hear the term "Windows NT" anymore, even though Windows XP, Vista and 7's kernel is still ntoskrnl.exe (NT OS Kernel). - Timbit42, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3Choice is good.
Hopefully we'll be able to have both kernels installed side-by-side and be able to boot either one. That way a security issue in either allows you to boot the other instead. - MWeather, on 04/06/2009, -0/+3This is Debian we're talking about. About the only people who could be accused of being more anal about bugs than the BSD guys.
- Elranzer, on 04/06/2009, -1/+4Debian is more than a flavor of Linux, since there are now things tha are "flavors of Debian."
Knoppix, even Ubuntu (Digg's term for "Linux") are just flavors of Debian. - raydeen, on 04/06/2009, -1/+3Well there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg, bacon and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam, spam, spam, egg and spam; spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam; or lobster thermidor aux crevettes, with a mornay sauce garnished with truffle paté, brandy and a fried egg on top and spam.
- svensko, on 04/06/2009, -2/+4This is a good change.
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