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- spankee666, on 10/12/2007, -1/+46I'd rather say:
Better late than bug-ridden and under-tested. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -10/+54Finally, it's the official announcement (someone just pointed to a mirror earlier). For those who fear the father of Ubuntu, here's something to instill some confidence in your minds.
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| Hakix is a simple GUI installer program for Debian Etch 4.0. It
| provides an easy 'one-click' installation of various popular
| applications, as well as other popular features such as
| Beryl/AIGLX 3D Desktop software, nVidia drivers, and other tools.
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http://frenchninja.wordpress.com/development/hakix/
Debian is just as capable as Ubuntu GNU/Linux and it may even be more stable, because of the release cycles and rigid requirements (QA). It is independent from companies and it is worth having a look at before you explore Ubuntu 7.04, which is due to be released shortly.
Debian glory for those who like visuals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=684OLRsTrrs - NX910a, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Thank you, Debian.
- migla, on 10/12/2007, -1/+35Thank you Debian, our glorious mother!
- clesch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+34apt-get dist-upgrade?
- DigitalJester, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35The godfather of linux has a new release!
All you ubuntu-brats have debian to thank. Go on! Thank it! - ElbridgeGerry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Ubuntu uses Debian's "unstable" builds, which are still quite stable.
- anztac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Right, except Ubuntu is (was?) based on Debian. As are many, many other distros.
Also a huge amount of production servers run Debian because of it's stability. Sure it take forever for a Debian release to come out, but when it does it's a huge deal because we know it's about the most stable system you can get. - AirRaven, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23The term "Late" takes upon a whole new dimension when we're talking about the Debian project.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Finally, they got it out. I love Debian and I hope they get more efficient and whole lot snappier in the future.
- TheNik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Debian is the only distro I've liked so far (as I'm slowly dipping my toes in the lake of Linux). It's the easiest to set up and seems to be the least buggy and cleanest version.
Good job, devs. :) - DaGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17"But does it come with Duke Nukem Forever?"
Nope, Thats scheduled for when SID goes stable ;)
...... - FluxHarmonic, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21I know I'm not the first, but certainly one of the first to say....
Finally! I can move on with my life now that this milestone, which had been aching inside my loins like a recurring dream about Alyssa Milano, has been reached! God bless the folks at Debian GNU/Linux 4.0! They are certainly touched by Jesus! Maybe we should have them fighting the terrorists instead of the Bush administration... - rypaintD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Debian: Ubuntu's Baby Daddy
- xerox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14how is this 'fanboyism'? its just merely stating theres a new release, its not arguing that its better then everything else ever released.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/
- kuribo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13You probably want this: http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst . Gives you the minimal stuff necessary to allow you to install Debian, then you choose packages and only those that you actually want are downloaded. If you have a decent Internet connection and are only installing on one machine, this is probably ideal. (If you're installing on a bunch of machines, it's easier to just download the images and burn them, instead of downloading stuff over and over.)
- azAZ09, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13This looks awesome, but I had almost completely decided to go with Ubuntu instead of Vista. Now I have another option to think about. Thanks, Debb and Ian, for making my life over-complicated with options.
Is there a way to keep the other visual features and turn off the gelatinous animation that makes the window frames look squishy when you move them? - vofuse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10If you want the exact opposite of getting dugg up, keep doing what you're doing.
- gravityboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11@theotherme
No, sid will never be stable, it's the perpetual codename for the unstable suite. After a certain amount of time and testing, packages move from sid to testing, which has a different codename. The codename for testing is the codename for the next stable release. So the next stable release will be named lenny. Because packages never directly freeze from sid, only testing, sid itself is never released. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11OMG...IT COMES WITH PONIES!!1
- lpcustom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Hey two years for the new stable release is a lot better than with Windows. There you wait 6 years for the new unstable release!
- NerveBand, on 10/12/2007, -6/+16Forget Feisty Fawn! Debian is where its at!
- carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9they work together, every once in a while ubuntu tries to get all it's creations put back into debian, and they try to make sure everything works well between the two. i doubt there'll be much to worry about.
- bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Not web 2.0 enough for you? Why do they need something new when it's completely functional?
- migla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Ubuntu does have a few things it has updated on its own, such as gnome (2.18 in Ubuntu, 2.14 in Debian) and Python (2.5 and 2.4, respectively (i think)).
Otherwise, ubuntu is pretty much debian pimped up a bit. Ubuntu builds upon Debian in the same way the "pimp up my car"-mechanics build upon a car.
Ubuntu doesn't want to drift too far away from Debian, so that the they can keep building new versions from Debians unstable branch. It's not like Ubuntu itself could maintain all the thousands of packages that Debian consist of. - spankee666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Ha! Try beating a 90 MHz Packard Bell! I don't really do anything with it, except use it in command line as a networked file server. I just wanted to try it out and see if it could be done.
- DigitalJester, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I think that all you people that are critisising debian should stfu. You have to remember, this is for SERVERS. Servers don't need Gnome 2.18. They need stability and plenty of it. Who cares if its old software and doesn't have the latest beryl effects. Would you rather have a server with a downtime of 90% and fancy effects or server with 99.9% uptime and an old GUI.
You make the decision. - DigitalJester, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7How else would I play Gnometris?!
- Noctem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Gnome 2.14! Sweet!
- democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I sort of agree. Debian's great, and I was going to switch to it with all the problems I'd been having with Edgy. But it takes too long to get setup how I want, plus I usually do a whole lot of stupid stuff to kill my installation once every month or so, so spending hours and hours rebuilding a Debian install isn't very practical for me.
But for the record, Debian rocks my socks. All the weird problems I've encountered in Ubuntu and Fedora...they're non-existent in Debian. I'm happy for a new release. - kuyman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7If you're worried about being obsolete, there really are used computers faster than 150 mhz that you can get for free to five dollars. You just have to watch yard sales and thrift stores.
- jon314, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7But does it come with Duke Nukem Forever?
- McTendo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I have no idea how it works when it comes to this. Does this mean Ubuntu will be updated to us this? Does Ubuntu update to use the newer versions of Debian or was it just once built off from it and never looked back? I use Ubuntu so I'm very curious to know how Ubuntu and Debian work together, if at all.
- MrSarcasm, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Better late than never
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8You want "teh snappy"?
- MWeather, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"But it takes too long to get setup how I want, plus I usually do a whole lot of stupid stuff to kill my installation once every month or so, so spending hours and hours rebuilding a Debian install isn't very practical for me."
Set it up once and make a disk image. I do that even with Ubuntu. - fluxion, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@redcard
i'd argue otherwise. Ubuntu is political (personally...i dont give two ***** about this "political" nonsense. we're not electing government officials here.). Debian is just a solid linux distribution that's been around forever and will keep plopping out solid/stable releases whether any cares or not. just like Slackware. - btmiller, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why would you need any GUI at all on a server?
My stuff is mostly Red Hat based, but I do have a couple of Debian boxes and its rock solid! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Debian ain't just fer servers.....
all my boxes, from my laptop to my file server, run Debian. - ayam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Can ubuntu or others linux distro support a total of eleven architectures including: Sun SPARC (sparc), HP Alpha (alpha), Motorola/IBM PowerPC (powerpc), Intel IA-32 (i386) and IA-64 (ia64), HP PA-RISC (hppa), MIPS (mips, mipsel), ARM (arm), IBM S/390 (s390) and – newly introduced with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 – AMD64 and Intel EM64T (amd64) ???
Debian -- The (Real) Universal Operating System (and not just for human beings :-) - imjustabill, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If you need Gnome at all for a server, you shouldn't be in charge of servers.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6In 10 years they will have KDE 4.0!
- Erowid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@azAZ09: Well, that actually seems to be Ubuntu in the vid, not Debian (doesn't matter, they can both do all that stuff). Also, that will not be the default appearance/visual effects. The dude in the vid seems to be using beryl to accomplish all the eye candy (which can be installed on any linux distro, there are a fair amount of tutorials out there for this, and any that apply to Ubuntu will likely apply to Debian as well).
More info about Beryl: http://www.beryl-project.org/
Regarding "Is there a way to keep the other visual features and turn off the gelatinous animation that makes the window frames look squishy when you move them?" Yeah. There are a wider variety of effects available than shown in that vid, and you can of course turn any that you wish on/off, as well as modify them in a couple different ways pretty easily :)
More eye candy vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6BiKnLzck&NR - gravityboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Pretty much everyone in the project agrees that the website needs an overhaul, but it's such a massive job that no one's actually been able to do it. What's pretty much happened instead is that http://wiki.debian.org has become the new website while no one was looking. Several groups, including the installer team and the Xorg maintainers use the wiki extensively for their work, so you can generally find a lot of good stuff if you poke around.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Why was he dugg down. It is a legitimate question. Debian tends to have huge, download everything, set ups. Generally the vital things are one the first CDs but you can download the entire distribution.
- teckjunkie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2would hakix run on a ppc platform?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2...and there was much rejoicing
yaaaaay.
`apt-get update`
`apt-get dist-upgrade`... - strabes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Ubuntu is debian-based, meaning it uses the debian method of packaging (.deb packages) as opposed to other package types like .rpm (which you can also install in debian-based distros using the "alien" package.) It is also based off of debian's unstable builds.
Edit: beat me to it. - gringer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey, it's only the 386 support (speeds up to a massive ~33MHz) that has been pulled from etch. 486 and pentium will still work.
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