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- schestowitz, on 11/07/2007, -5/+36It seems like Fedora remains the most advanced and cutting-edge distribution out there. [...cue Ubuntu users who never used Fedora]
A lot of stuff that we all use comes (upstream) from Fedora and trivial issues like screen resolution autodetection aren't a problem either. The only think 'hurting' Fedora is its freedom philosophy. - inactive, on 11/08/2007, -8/+32Ooooh Nepali language support! The last thing standing between Fedora and widespread desktop adoption.
It was such a pain in the ass to use without that.
Sorry......Fedora user here, but that was just begging for a smart-assed comment. - Nushio, on 11/07/2007, -2/+24You might think this freedom is "hurting" Fedora, but the truth is quite the opposite.
By enforcing this philosophy, it pushes/forces companies into open-sourcing their products if they'd like to be part of Fedora.
I'll name one example, Second Life Linux Client. Its currently NOT 100% open source, but since the developers would like to include it into the Fedora universe, they're acting. They're looking for replacements on binaries and non-free stuff in order to get the linux client Free as in freedom. This is leading to an improved Linux client btw, since some of the libraries are old, and can't be updated due to licensing.
Besides, you're Free (as in freedom) to use your binaries and close-source packages on Fedora, its not like we'll hunt you down or anything ;) - ungamedplayer, on 11/07/2007, -0/+21I have ran F8 test 3, it seems to be very smooth has a bunch of neat functionality in this release. It runs pretty well on my first generation macbook without too many hassles, even sleep works (ZOMG even the god linux doesn't do that right), now if only my isight worked on a more recent kernel. (I know this isnt fedora's fault)
- Jalh, on 11/07/2007, -0/+18Features:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureLi ... - sej7278, on 11/07/2007, -0/+13how about redhat (fedora) has no shady deals with microsoft like novell (suse) does?
- m0tbaillie, on 11/06/2007, -5/+17Ahahahahahahahah, ignorant *****, lol.
- mmcgrath, on 11/07/2007, -0/+12http://rpm.livna.org/
- nanostream, on 11/06/2007, -0/+10Where can I download this "god linux" you speak of?
- ayeroxor, on 11/06/2007, -7/+17"Fedora 8 On it's Way!"
On it's way out: Difference between its and it's! - inactive, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10Wow i have been using ... till now.
As i am new to Fedora can someone tell me which 3rd party repository i should use. (for packages missing in official one). - grg183, on 11/06/2007, -1/+10"The only think 'hurting' Fedora is its freedom philosophy."
- totally wrong!! ...Freedom is the greatest strength of Fedora. ..The day Fedora changes its freedom policy will be my last day using it! - jag164, on 11/07/2007, -0/+8No convincing. Just download and try it. If you like it, stick with it; if not stick with OpenSUSE. Technically, fedora *could* be better than OpenSUSE, but if your comfort level and experience with OpenSUSE out weighs any advantages that fedora offers, then OpenSUSE is the better distro for you.
/never really understood the distro battles - amillion3, on 11/07/2007, -0/+8sleep works? hmmm, fedora looks quite appealing now!
- krnldmp, on 11/06/2007, -0/+6Looking forward to trying the Electronics Lab version.
- timf, on 11/07/2007, -4/+10There is really cool stuff in the new Fedora that I'd like to have in my Ubuntu, like Pulseaudio and the new NetworkManager, but there was always something that bothered me in Fedora (and OpenSuse, and every rpm based distro for that matter)
The packages that are in the official repos and the package tools that ship with those distros suck!
It seems like in every other new release there is some rewrite of some GUI and some new whatever-frontend gets introduced but it is never really reliable.
Unless a distro doesn't offer something that is as rock solid as dpkg+apt(itude)+Synaptic I will never consider them. And, yeah, I know that I can run apt on rpm but it's just not the same.
I didn't check the last few Fedora releases, so here my question: has there been substantial work on package managment? - nanostream, on 11/05/2007, -0/+5Nepali language support? Sweet!!!
- inactive, on 11/06/2007, -0/+5Thanks. :-)
- Predater, on 11/05/2007, -1/+6Currently I am running Fedora 7. Do I need to burn Fedora 8 to be able to upgrade the OS or can it be done using iso of Fedora 8 itself?
- bowens44, on 11/07/2007, -1/+6Linux is Linux. If you're happy with OpenSuSE, why switch?
- grg183, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5yum/rpm ARE solid ...at least they are for me ...I remember having some problems with yum in the past but with Fedora 7 I can assure you that I never had a single problem related to yum, rpms or any other package management issue.
some say that yum is much slower than apt ...it has been a while since I've last used apt so I cannot really compare but I find yum's speed to be quite reasonable and not really an issue ..I mean, when I do a system wide update I just give the yum update -y command and leave it running in the background ...I dont really care if it takes 10mins or 1hour ...and it is so solid that I never even check if it is working correctly I just trust it and let it run in the background ...and I've always found it completing successfully. When I want to quickly install a particular package it is not really slow although there is room for improvement - digmc, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5Due to problems I was having with Ubuntu Gusty, I tried Fedora 7 and I have to say I prefer Ubuntu. The RPM repositories suck compared to Debian/Ubuntu's. I added the freshrpm and livna repositories and within a few hours I ran into dependency hell, which was the reason I left RPM based distro's in the first place back with RH5.2/Mandrake6.
I'll stick with Debian/Ubuntu for my machines thank you very much. - rahulsundaram, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5You should stop mixing incompatible third party repositories anyway. You add every random repository you get and you will run into dependency problems in any distribution. Use either livna or freshrpms but not both together. Otherwise wait till http://rpmfusion.org takes off which is the merge of some of the major third party repositories for Fedora.
- m0tbaillie, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4First off, download the net install. That way, instead of having tons of superfluous packages on a DVD, most of which you won't use, you can simply download packages from a repo as you need them. Second, make sure you install knetworkmanager via yum and fire it up. That will auto-detect your wireless and should make it very simple to switch networks, and to switch between wired/wireless connections. Have fun!
- Ademan, on 11/07/2007, -2/+6I'm curious where all of these amazing new features are... (not knocking fedora at all) For the love of God if you're talking about a bunch of new features, LINK TO THE GODDAMN FEATURE PAGE.
- k3ano, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4I think it works just using Wine.
- xike, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4lol. As an ubuntu user affected by the SLUB/SLAB sleep issues, I can relate.
- ja1217, on 11/07/2007, -0/+4Here's a good setup guide as well. They don't have one for Fedora 8 yet, but most likely will shortly after release.
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f7.ht ... - GreatSunJester, on 11/06/2007, -3/+7What did Gutsy do? I ask because I did a wipe and reinstall on my craptop (old Compaq) and everything run perfectly.
- bastardoperator, on 11/05/2007, -1/+5I think many would consider rpm and yum to be far more solid then dpkg and apt! If you look at you're average production linux host chances are its running CentOS, RHEL, Fedora, or even the more recent Oracle enterprise linux which is based on RHEL which also run YUM and RPM.
- SuperCheese, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4I think it is the most cutting edge as far as big, widely-used distributions go. Are there others that are widely popular that really ship newer stuff?
(Note: do not say Gentoo -- Fedora has shipped many things before they included them in Gentoo stable.) - andywebb95, on 11/08/2007, -1/+5Looking forward to it!
I use Fedora as my main Linux server OS and I have not been disappointed yet. - SuperCheese, on 11/06/2007, -0/+4Fast forward 10 minutes: your comment will still only be funny to 1% of digg readers, but nobody will have to read it because it will be dugg down into digg hell.
Fast forward 11 minutes: cue those who don't know what the word "que" means to queue up somewhere else. - grg183, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4hypocrite are those distributions that bundle proprietary stuff and called themselves an 'open-source community' !
- manstein01, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3Fedora has to be the most stable distro I've ever used. It's rock solid. It's also completely lacking in the little things that make the other distros so popular (artwork, system tools, media ability, etc). If you are happy with OpenSuse, then stay with it. But, if you're curios, give Fedora a try.
- inactive, on 11/06/2007, -1/+4There's nothing enforced about it. They can ignore Fedora completely if they want.
Or they can even make their own closed source (or partly closed) packages for Fedora.
But, if they want to *be part of* Fedora (which means Fedora packagers can update their packages to fix bugs/add functionality/integrate better into the OS, and also means that it will be better tested, and that whatever company it is doesn't have to test their software for every distribution since the packagers will do it *for them*) then they have to fully open their source.
Try getting your software included in Windows or Mac OS X, it's rather harder (but certainly not impossible - there is plenty of GPL stuff that has been integrated into OS X - I can't think of any particularly useful examples offhand since I don't use closed source OSes when I have a choice, but I know Flurry was a GPL project before it got put into OS X 10.something.)
Please try both reading properly and understanding the issues before posting such nonsese. - rahulsundaram, on 11/07/2007, -0/+3Refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DistributionUpgrades
- twelvedogs, on 11/05/2007, -0/+3eh, i think it's probably a bit hardware dependent, sleep doesn't work on my lappy in ubuntu 7.10, works on my desktop though. sleep doesn't work properly on my lappy in xp either though, it will not wake up no matter what you do until you push the power button, at which point it wakes up and shuts down :(
- kineticarl, on 11/05/2007, -1/+4Did you intentionally use it incorrectly as well, or is my sarcasm detector off?
- grg183, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2openSUSE is a great distro as well ...one of my favorites ...but I find it too 'sluggish' ...sort of too heavy ..if you know what I mean. That's mainly why I stopped using it. Fedora and several other distros are much more 'lightweight' in my opinion. ...But again ..in the end it is a matter of personal preference ...there is no such thing as the 'Best' or 'Better' distro ...the best way to go is to try as many different distros you can and stick with the one you find mostly fitting to your needs and taste.
What I really like in Fedora are 3 things: 1. Rock Solid, 2. Cutting Edge Features, 3. Freedom policy - rahulsundaram, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2Enjoy.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/ReleaseSu ... - Iandefor, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2Am I the only one who took the 'hurts' in quotes to mean that the parent didn't necessarily agree with that assessment?
- Ademan, on 11/08/2007, -1/+3I'm sorry who are these people who prefer yum and rpm? I'd like to meet them and give them a nice boot to the head. Seriously, i've seen countless praises of apt (not necessarily dpkg mind you) and i've never heard anything good about rpm (although God knows it's come a LONG way from dependency hell lol). And i've never heard much at all about yum.
- SuperCheese, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2It's not forced. People can use all the non-free stuff on Fedora that they want. It's just not supported by the Fedora teams.
Would you support someone else's software if you didn't have any control over it? I didn't think so. - roystgnr, on 11/07/2007, -1/+3Your question is ill-posed: by definition if apt+rpm isn't close enough to apt+dpkg for your liking, nothing else on RPM is going to be any closer. If you have specific complaints beyond "just not the same" then you'll have to elaborate before anyone can tell you if they've been fixed or not. I use smartpm at the moment, but other than its inability to handle dual-architecture systems (x86-64 with i386 packages installed too) I don't recall having any problems with apt on Fedora.
- weizbox, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2anyone looking for that 'god like' sleep state with gentoo/sabayon:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/power-management-guid ...
I'm not 100% sure if perhaps sabayon had this done by default since I don't use it, but just in case, theres some info :) - roystgnr, on 11/06/2007, -0/+2I haven't tried livna because they're often incompatible with the atrpms repository, but I must say that for getting anything under the sun installed the latter has worked well for me. I've got dries, kde-redhat.org, freshrpms, and a few little ones enabled too, but most of my third party stuff ends up coming from Axel Thimm (atrpms).
- roystgnr, on 11/05/2007, -0/+2If you've got more than one computer, you can loop mount the ISO on a web server and network install from that (after booting from the network or from a small boot floppy/CD/USB key). That's the easiest way to upgrade whole computer labs. The Fedora Wiki says you can install from hard drive as long as your ISO is stored on a partition that you don't need to reformat, so I'd presume you can upgrade from hard drive too, but I've never tried it. You'll probably still have to put at least a small boot image on a CD-R/floppy/USB key, so if you've got a DVD writer then using that is probably the most convenient way to upgrade.
- SuperCheese, on 11/07/2007, -2/+4Unless you can provide some details, I'd be surprised if your complaints have anything to do with rpm vs. dpkg.
I don't know of anything that apt has over yum, either.
So is your complaint really just at the lack of a good GUI software manager? It sounds like you just really like synaptic, which is fine, but don't bash rpm etc. if that's the case... - Iandefor, on 11/07/2007, -0/+2They do a pretty good 1-CD installable live system now.
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