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- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -14/+40@freakon
Please cut off your genitals right now - and if you have any kids, give them up for adoption for their own betterment. Thanks.
People like you are why we have 300-lb 10 year olds, single mothers at age 14, and rap. I count the last as the greatest evil, but others' opinions may vary. - Anpheus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20Yeah, but now kids will be saying, "Look mommy, I changed the source code to OpenNanny 2.0, now it only shows porn!"
- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Wow windwaker, did you even read the comment that I was replying to? He's claiming that kids should have free reign to do whatever they want on the internet. That leads to them using MySpace. And, as we all know, MySpace makes you pregnant. (Okay, so I may be missing a few intermediate steps, but you get my point)
That is tantamount to saying that parents shouldn't ever tell their kids what to do.
So no, I did not compare watching porn to being a mother at 14. I pointed out that crappy, nonconfrontational parents are one of the reasons why we have 14-year old single mothers. - vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"Educational porn? I'm sure there's a market for that somewhere..."
Well, I was just watching something that looked like it took place in a classroom, and there was a man who claimed to be a teacher, however I doubt the validity of his credentials...
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I think she got an A+, or if she didn't, she should have... - jcims, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Great solution! Now get off the PC, it's my turn.
- jcims, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Good luck with that.
- strabes, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Here's a good solution: don't get kids their own computer, and keep the family computer in the family room or living room.
- millagurl, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Your children should not be on the internet without you. Ever.
- dtfinch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Kids will keep trying and trying until they find a site that's not blocked.
For that reason, it's important to incorporate goatse into the design of your block page. That way they're certain to quickly abandon their quest, and you'll have saved them from viewing all that terrible online porn. - TenebrousX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Of course, you could always trust your children to be responsible
- Mootabolife, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8The way I figure.. a kid is going to find a way to do what they want to do, parental controls are just a maze to make them smarter at it.
- vuke69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Maybe, but is non-sliced bread really all that bad?
- jcims, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6my kids knowingly bypass something i put in place to give them a little longer leash? yank!
- swoopdog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Like your kids aren't going to see it even with all of your good intentions.
there are alternatives to censoring the entire world. - gomvents, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Works very well!
- nkathman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, it really is. It caught more than Websense when trying to get to images.google.com and images.yahoo.com. It's not perfect, but it's really damn close.
- Speed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4akaji, I must say, you must have been very impressinable as a kid. I've always had (for the most part) free reign over what I did on the internet, not once did I ever get in trouble or anything. I admit, it might have been because consumer internet was in its infancy when I was growing up (it really didn't hit mainstream until the late 90s, even then, it was mostly dialup), and sites like myspace and facebook didn't exist, but I wasn't "corrupted" by the internet. And (maybe I'm naiive) I believe that if you raise your kids right, and teach them what to do and not to do on the internet (and be an active parent), the controls needed on a child while surfing the net and miniscule.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Censorship is, in some cases, a necessary evil.
Better to have a free implementation, but yeah, it might look on the surface to be a little hypocritical to have a free-as-in-freedom censorship system. - tman105, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I did a project on this in a Linux class. This works very well.
- buggles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not all kids are out looking for bad stuff and these days you will be hard pressed to avoid it.
I've given significant thought into why my culture finds x objectionable. Humans are prone to be tempted, swayed, and sold by lust and desire. Why do you think sex and sensuality is the primary theme of almost all sales marketing? So you want to be sold and you want your children to be lured and sold without fetters. If that is the way you will lead your family, good luck with that.
I will do my best to protect mine. - Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@solidgold and martin
Free as in beer only. No good. - Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Elitist? Because I understand that immature people are - guess what - IMMATURE? Geeze, man, it's not like logic is something that's that difficult to grasp...
- jcims, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Forget it Akaji, 'never argue with a fool...they'll bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience'...
Censorship is stupid, you should trust your kids, unless they do something horribly stupid, then its your fault for not watching everything they do, but don't do that, because it would invade their privacy. Coming to digg for advice on parenting is like coming to digg for advice on sex.
I just read the comments in these articles to reaffirm my opinion that a majority of the people that post here are fools...I'm good for today then! - Snoopsor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I understand some parents put this in place so their children are not exposed to content the parent finds objectionable. I completely disagree with it for a few reasons...
1) Less thought is given into the reasons why a particular culture finds x objectionable, instead preferring to perpetuate old ideas.
2) By blocking content a culture or parent finds objectionable, they surround it with mystery, which actually increases curiosity into the things the child can't have.
3) Children are usually generations smarter than the parent when working with most technology, and are adapting to the forever changing world we live in now. Let's say they put parental controls on a laptop or family pc. All that child needs to do to completely bypass it, is put in a linux live cd. By booting another operating system they get completely past any os based restrictions on that street. All it takes it one child or adult to break a variable system or talk about ways around that system. That's all a child needs to get by one of these systems.
4) Can't control what they have access to everywhere. Before the internet, it was porno mags fathers had hidden away. A child would find then share with the rest of his friends. Or an older friend would buy the younger one.
The possibilities for getting around software like this is huge, and remember, all it takes is for one person to publish what they did, or one method, and even if no methods are posted, if a child is determined enough, they have the ability to work it out for themselves.
The comment I'd like to leave you with is this: In some countries of the world, there is a magical age, called 18, when someone turns 18, suddenly they're exposed to sex, drugs, a life of work, and alcohol (21 for most states in usa). It's a magic switch saying someone is mature enough to handle these things, without any thought on the individual person.
Access to the correct information is the key thing here. A child can find this kind of stuff no matter how hard a parent may try and shield them from it. Therefore the best approach is to help them not get confused by all the misinformation and disinformation on the mediums they choose to learn. - tzmonster, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@mootabolife
What you just mentioned is completely true. As a minor myself, I know that many of my friends' parents attempt to block what they see. However, they always find another way around it. And eventually, one of two things happen: a) the parents give up and give a lecture on what to avoid b) the kids find a way around it that remains unchangeable/undiscovered by their parents.
The same applies to filtering in the school network. In our school, just about every possible ploy has been used by the students. It got so bad they just put a program on it that monitors the programs installed and the settings changed.
On the bright side, this means we'll have more than enough future computer enthusiasts. - manitoba98xp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Depends on the kid's age, friends, and expertise.
If you're talking about a 15-year-old with experience (or friends with experience) bypassing filters such as DansGuardian, sure. If you're talking about 10-year-olds, probably not. It certainly can't do much harm. - itdood, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2As a dad, I like the pragmatic approach. For my toddler this makes sense, I don't want them to accidentally see dismembered bodies on a GIS. When they are older there's no way I could block content, I'd actually be disappointed in my kids if they couldn't work their way around a content filter. But the knowledge that I can find out what's up any time I need to should be enough to make them think twice and hopefully make the right decisions.
- spacey44, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6A great app that shows good things come in FREE packages =)
- buggles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1apparently your friend's parents were unaware of the power cord.
- Renton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or you could RAISE you children to be responsible.
You can't just keep binge drinking and robbing liquor stores in front of them and hope a Vchip and some censorship will magically make them grow up to be responsible young adults. - spyd3rweb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can't shield your kids from life forever.
- jcims, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Are you serious?
- Akaji, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Mootabolife
Educational porn? I'm sure there's a market for that somewhere... - buggles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is great software. A must-have for anyone with kids. If you have a PC collecting dust that is at least capable of running Ubuntu, you do not have to be an IT expert to set up a very effective web filter for your household. Once you have a system running this software, you can set this system to be your kid's web proxy.
- bmartin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1For non-Windows users: K9 runs only on Windows.
- schleppy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Save the children!
- 35263526, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While freakon said it in a generally poor fashion, I do tend to agree with his sentiment. My parents never attempted to censor my use of the internet. I looked up all sorts of generally nasty stuff, and I still to an extent do, and I'm a perfectly normal person for it. I've had friends whose parents have attempted to control their internet access, and they know about everything I do. Ultimately people are going to find stuff out; there's no point attempting to shield your child from the real world.
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Now you can set those parental controls to block Get the 'Facts' campaign.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"+ its open source.... 1 week and a kid will get around it"
I'm not too sure what programming language this thing's written in, but I doubt most kids can read it.
Not that it matters - withholding the source code would not make this any more secure. - gravitywell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1edit: @TKDWILSON
Actually, it is licensed under the gpl with some funky download restrictions for commercial users (from their site and mirrors only).
http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2
quote:
"So, if Debian puts DG on their website, they have to restrict downloads to non commercial users, right?
No, not right. Once you have a copy of a GPL app, no one can put any (non-GPL) restrictions on it - not even me the author" - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2BIG shame this wasn't used on the computers in the class taught by poor Julie Amero
http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article1464355.ece
http://julieamer.blogspot.com/ - Megaton3G, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I think most parents are too stupid to setup a limited user account and kids now a days know how to uninstall a software. Or do what I did as a kid, format the drive...and reinstall windows.
- bakerjeff, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Good stuff. Children should be protected
http://www.sharethechildren.com - TKDWILSON, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Read the fine print. This is NOT open source. I am seriously disappointed.
Everyone needs to learn that everything that works on linux is not open source. Think about crossover office for example.
Eric Wilson - nkathman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It is open source, and it is free for personal and non commercial use. Even in the case of commercial use, it's MUCH cheaper to license dans and even add the blacklists than using Websense, Surfcontrol, etc. It doesn't give you as much granular control over groups and users, but in the current business environment where businesses that aren't implementing some type of porn control they are not showing due care / diligence for sexual harassment cases, it's well worth the money.
- ievolve, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Old news... ScrubIT.com does this for FREE anyway
- shawnz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2no digg for "open source" and "control" in the same sentence
- nkathman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Keeping kids out of "inappropriate" sites is just like information security. It'll never be completely impossible for them to get around your counter measures, you just make sure to put up as many obstacles as you can to make it not worth their time.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2You want free, AND dependable?
http://www.getk9.com
It rocks. - rayferrell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Great app and very helpful detail provided by kathmannlabs.net. Lots of potential for parents like me that are concerned about what their kids are doing on the internet.
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