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- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17Last week is was a city in California that talked about its move to Debian Linux and OSS for a large network infrastructure. Linux is now truly a threat to Cisco and others.
- CraigCarlyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Anybody know how much it costs for a city to implement full WiFi coverage?
It's strange that more cities aren't starting to do this, I can imagine Linux would cut down the cost a bit. - zer0digg, on 10/21/2007, -0/+8vamos argentina carajo!!!! .. this also has been implemented in viedma, rawson and a few more other cities :D
- sqrt7744, on 10/30/2007, -3/+10As if everybody in Argentina is poor - did you flunk out of geography for retards?
- geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Linux is a threat to Cisco because people can buy any ol' box, throw Linux on it, and use it to do the same exact thing that Cisco was charging three arms, two legs and three pairs of testicles to do. Cisco (through Linksys) does use some Linux, but it's almost entirely been phased out for a different, closed OS, and the provisions for getting Linux on those boxes has been made harder (by reducing the amount of available flash and RAM to nearly nothing).
- towner, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Something similar has been going on near me.
Bristol wireless ( www.bristolwireless.net ) in the UK have been offering free to access wifi with low cost Linux machines for a number of years now. they get all of their machines for free from a local company Byteback
( www.byteback.org.uk ) - daftman, on 10/30/2007, -1/+5Nah, he's the typical Aussie who's too dumb to know anything beside Australia and US.
- lengau, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6How is Linux a threat to Cisco? They make the hardware, not software (well, they do make some specialized software, but that's beside the point). In fact, Cisco (under the Linksys brand) uses Linux in quite a few of their routers.
- nmathew, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wow, you're getting mauled for telling a simple truth. Just because the government "gives" you a service, that does not mean that it didn't cost you something.
- infl00p, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I prefer the community wifi networks. Much more liberal and almost 100% linux.
I am using the wireless community network in Athens, Greece. See
http://wind.awmn.net/?page=nodes&session_lang=english
for the AP map - peorth, on 10/21/2007, -1/+3It's so weird to see my city named in Digg :)
However, some info should be added: not the entire city has wi-fi coverage, only downtown.
If you want more info about the city, you can go to the official page: http://www.rosario.gov.ar - daftman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2die you PoS spam
- blackjack75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Might not be free but it's still cheaper than having 20 neighbours with their 20 wireless routers for their own use.
- chugger1992, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6So they install Linux on the routers, or what?
- SirDiggalot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3We should be embarrassed about... what? We (diggers) didn't build it.
- Tharcarious, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Anyone notice the caption on the dude with the debian shirt? What is open "sauce"?
- crazedgremlin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2But...but, but digg works! You're using digg, digg uses linux. Haha you're a linux user and didn't even know it! Google, too. You probably use Google. I can go on.
- xenuunex, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4probably because its cheap and better updated support than a commercial product.
linux is updated much faster than Cisco's IOS. Oh and you can turn any linux box
into a Cisco PIX now bahahaha. We have free WiFi here in london .. it's called Streetnet
we've had it since 2003 but it runs Windows and you can quite often walk down the street
find one of the access points and look at the screen ... bluescreen.. nice. - DesScorp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2"Wow, you're getting mauled for telling a simple truth. "
Welcome to Digg - geminitojanus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Look into companies like FON and Meraki, who use extremely cheap, low power devices to power a magnificent grid network. They're currently implementing one in San Fransisco and you (or anyone else) is free to drum up a business plan and present it to your city council to fund (or to any Venture Capital fund, or out of your own pocket). Each Meraki node costs about $50-$100 depending on how many bells and whistles you go for, can be powered off either batteries and solar or the grid (for pennies), and you need one every 100-200m outdoors give or take (based on obstacles and such). For head nodes and network access points, all you need is a machine with a modem and a WiFi card to link up to the grid.
It's not really all that strange that more communities haven't done this; there still aren't a lot of mobile devices that use WiFi as a protocol other than laptops (and the occasional iPhone), but as this trend picks up, you can certainly imagine WiFi coverage will too. Right now anywhere you can find a place to sit and sip a cup of coffee and fiddle on your laptop a little you can expect to find WiFi, there's just not a very concerned effort in making that into a community network, and usually everyone's out of their own pockets for each node and network connection (which is just plain terrible if you ask me). - luchid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Uhmmm, no. You're thinking US government.
- Vectorkov, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are correct. Many cities charge an introductory fee and then later offer full packages. They're true goal is to resell the service to local businesses or even local ISPs and also use it for the own applications such as mobile public works and public safety workers.
- Sandurz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2If something is "discovered" to run Linux it makes the front page.
I don't understand. - Blitzenn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Have you actually tried it? It SUCKS!
- joe7845, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Internet penetration in Argentina was over 30% in 2006.
- crappylinks, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I tire of pointing this out over and over and over, but - if a government is providing something, it is NOT free if you pay any taxes at all. They took your money, and decided to buy WiFi with it, whether you want it or not.
Think of it as "prepaid" WiFi. - ishmal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Then consider your job done.
- Vectorkov, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0A large part of the cost is working around the topology of a large city and getting reliable coverage in areas with high interference and signal obstruction. MuniWiFI is still new and many things need to be worked out.
- zer0digg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0hell yeah it can!!!...the big thing here is that you don't need "the skillset to support and develop"!!!..........there's a huge comunity around it that would gladdly help you
- Blitzenn, on 10/21/2007, -1/+1Because you are all lauding it as a success when the truth is that it is a disaster. If I were you, I would have buried it as inaccurate at the least. If any MS people lauded a pittiful rendition of a wireless network like this, you would have ripped them apart. It goes two ways, or do you feel that is unfair somehow?
- zer0digg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0you windows users!!! FREE AS IN FREEDOM!!!! FREE==LIBRE!!! not free as in free tshirt!!!
pliz, you should read the whole story first, then, you'll see it says it's free because it's based on wifi-dog, debian GNU/linux and a few others free software tools - zer0digg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0free as in freedom not free as in free beer!
- bigtomrodney, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I think that statement was self explanatory.
- bluenova, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Of cause it runs Linux! 98% of the worlds web servers run Linux or another *nix based operating system. You don't think your isp is running MS Windows on their servers do you?
- stevem99, on 10/21/2007, -1/+0How is that free exactly?? It's more like 'collective wi-fi' than anything else..
- nakani, on 10/21/2007, -3/+2Government subsidized, filtered internet service. Forgive me if I'm none-too-excited
- zer0digg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0you wanna know why?
just try gnu/linux and you'll undertand why support so much the free software movement!
free software is the future of the whole IT world! (look at the big ones: sun, ibm, dell, google, digg, and pretty much all of the webservers on the net (including ISP's and hosting's companys!!) - nhassan, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1ok, how does that make sense, you walk down a street and get a bluescreen, cause of the city running windows to power there wifi
- zer0digg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0you wanna know why?
just try gnu/linux and you'll undertand why support so much the free software movement!
free software is the future of the whole IT world! (look at the big ones: sun, ibm, dell, google, digg, and pretty much all of the webservers on the net (including ISP's and hosting's companys!!) - samdu, on 10/21/2007, -9/+6Municipal WiFi is NOT free!
- lesty420, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3How so?
- Blitzenn, on 10/21/2007, -6/+3lol, obviously you guys have not actually tried to use the system. It is quite useless. Between it being down, poor signal strength, and if you can connect, find you can't get anywhere else is quite frustrating. It's not something I would blame on the software as much as the administrators and planners. But the overall success is certainly not something that should be lauded as an example for the operating systems. Frankly it's a disaster and you guys should be embarrassed
- Vectorkov, on 10/10/2007, -4/+0PIX is old, who cares if it can be replaced by a linux box. Not every organization has the skillset to support and develop opensource network appliances. Its great that some places can do it and they save money, but its not for everyone.
Can a homegrown linux box firewall replicate all the features of an ASA such as active/active failover, mutiple contexts, full VPN cababilities, IPS, etc? Can it have the throughput of a FWSM? - fkr3, on 10/21/2007, -5/+1The thing about cities in Latin America is their population is usually majority-by-far poor. Way too poor to afford computers. Giving 'free wifi' to 'the city' can be as simple as setting up wifi in a 1 square kilometre region where the wealthy locals and foreigners live and do business.
For a first-world city to setup wifi across the entire city they'd be looking at complete coverage over any amount of size and that's probably why they don't tend to do it. - SteveTheSultan, on 10/21/2007, -8/+1Who cares if linux powers it. That just means it wont work.
- fkr3, on 10/30/2007, -11/+2It's a threat because Rosario, a city of 1,000,000 people, has free wifi powered by Linux for the 184 people who can afford their own computers.
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